[Discussion] Supernovas VS Ace

[Pekoms]

No doubt, luffy's training means something and that is why to me he is the strongest supernova of his generation and the new one. Ace doesn't stay there with WB and train to get stronger every day which is correct, but he is sent on missions and he fights opposing marines/pirates like luffy does to get stronger correct? So with luffy's increase of power, Ace sure in mind grows everyday as well. Now that he is dead, he is now closer into getting stronger than Ace, as far as we know in the chapter. If he soloes Doflamingo and win a flawless victory, then i will agree that luffy undoubtedly stronger than Ace.

A flawless victory? That's almost like underestimating Doflamingo, his strength is incredibly high.
If Luffy can beat Doflamingo, by himself, then that should be satisfactory.​

 

[The 1 who knows]

1) You sure? I wasn't certain but I was pretty sure link me to a page please.

2) Aokiji lasted in a battle with Akainu for 10 days Ace lasted 10 seconds there's quite the difference especially considering the fact Magma was even more of a weakness to Aokiji than Ace's Mera Mera fruit.

3) Well I can't really say since I don't know Kid's full power yet but for him to attack Big Mam's ships he must be pretty strong if he's trying to take the head of a Yonkou.

Ace was deemed the strongest Rookie of his time not Luffy's or the other's Luffy's generation was called the worst generation because of how strong and dangerous they are and so what if Ace past 2 years of his rookie time what the hell has that got to do with anything you don't know how much stronger he got, not to mention he wasn't trained by the likes of Rayleigh or anyone and don't say Whitebeard trained him since you can't prove that either.

Ace was clearly above you say? so it's fact huh you seem incredibly butt hurt and seem to think your logic is completely right while pretty much everyone else is wrong? No the fact is Luffy and Law know Haki most likely Kid as well Ace's main advantage was he was a logia, and I'm not saying it would be easy but I think Ace would lose to post time skip Luffy, Law and Kid purely on the fact of their abilities.

And you can't assume Ace is stronger than every supernova on appearance either since if I remember you based Ace's strength on his bounty, while I base strength on facts on a unbiased opinion and what they could be now, you haven't even seen any of the other supernova since before the time skip yet you say Ace owns them all automatically please we haven't even seen Luffy or law's full power yet or any of the supernova so don't assume Ace is unbeatable to them until you see it.

kid attacking big mums ships doesn't mean he is automatically strong...he might just be too cocky for his own good and will be put in his place...............
as to how ACE died, he didn't die in a 1 on 1 fight but he died blocking luffy/protecting him from Akainu's punch!!!!!

also to show you that ace was strong as hell.....look how many countries want his DF?

 

[Pervy Wrath]

Except the difference is that Ace knew he had kings haki, luffy didn't.
How do you awaken it at the age of 8, and not know how to use it, when your captain can use
his as well? There is a difference between common sense and trolling, it's up to you to decipher the difference in vocabulary.

You're missing the point. CoC is useless against Luffy, same way that it's useless against Ace. There's no true way to know who's stronger right now. I believe it's Luffy. We haven't even seen him close to going all out in the NW and he's still owning his opponents. After this arc, it will be pretty obvious that Luffy is stronger than Ace imo.

 

[TheHokage]

kid attacking big mums ships doesn't mean he is automatically strong...he might just be too cocky for his own good and will be put in his place...............
as to how ACE died, he didn't die in a 1 on 1 fight but he died blocking luffy/protecting him from Akainu's punch!!!!!

also to show you that ace was strong as hell.....look how many countries want his DF?

Your reply is to stupid to take seriously.

Kid's bounty is now 470 million and he has survived in the New World for 2 years on his own and as it's been shown most pirates have to go under the flag of a Yonkou to survive, Kid has been forshadowed to be a major rival to Luffy later on for him to be merely cocky is just simple minded.

Please Ace was beat even without dying to protect Ace, Akainu would have killed Ace in a 1 on 1 battle and what's your point about the devil fruit most people would want one it's not just for Ace's strength but the devil fruit is OP as well since it's a logia type.

 

[VongolaX]

A flawless victory? That's almost like underestimating Doflamingo, his strength is incredibly high.
If Luffy can beat Doflamingo, by himself, then that should be satisfactory.​

My point exactly

 

[VongolaX]

You're missing the point. CoC is useless against Luffy, same way that it's useless against Ace. There's no true way to know who's stronger right now. I believe it's Luffy. We haven't even seen him close to going all out in the NW and he's still owning his opponents. After this arc, it will be pretty obvious that Luffy is stronger than Ace imo.

I've already confirmed with starrke that what we have seen so far, and rubber works so well against fire right?...Smh

 

[Pervy Wrath]

I've already confirmed with starrke that what we have seen so far, and rubber works so well against fire right?...Smh

You assume that Luffy will just stand and watch as Ace does his thing. He's not Blackbeard. Luffy is one of the fastest people in One Piece, and it's proven that he CoA. You know, he actually can light himself on fire as well, right? In other words, his resistance towards fire is pretty high.

 

[The 1 who knows]

Your reply is to stupid to take seriously.

Kid's bounty is now 470 million and he has survived in the New World for 2 years on his own and as it's been shown most pirates have to go under the flag of a Yonkou to survive, Kid has been forshadowed to be a major rival to Luffy later on for him to be merely cocky is just simple minded.

Please Ace was beat even without dying to protect Ace, Akainu would have killed Ace in a 1 on 1 battle and what's your point about the devil fruit most people would want one it's not just for Ace's strength but the devil fruit is OP as well since it's a logia type.

haha so your point is that Kid>Ace?

 

[Yellow Spark]

haha so your point is that Kid>Ace?

Maybe.....
But ace was as strong as jimbei... And maybe he became even stronger later.
And luffy, zoro have surpassed jimbei (i think so).
But to me, only luffy >ace now.
Ace was beaten by akainu bc of his fire power. And if he had armament haki he would have beaten smoker easily. And now luffy is a boss who have all 3 haki... Till now only shanks and rayliegh have shown all 3 haki...

 

[Pervy Wrath]

Maybe.....
But ace was as strong as jimbei... And maybe he became even stronger later.
And luffy, zoro have surpassed jimbei (i think so).
But to me, only luffy >ace now.
Ace was beaten by akainu bc of his fire power. And if he had armament haki he would have beaten smoker easily. And now luffy is a boss who have all 3 haki... Till now only shanks and rayliegh have shown all 3 haki...

Though this doesn't matter when it comes to Ace and Jinbe's fight, Jinbe could tank more attacks from Akainu than Ace. Ace went fist to fist against him and lost, then Akainu stabbed him through his entire mid section. Jinbe was actually able to take on Akainu's fist.

 

[TheHokage]

haha so your point is that Kid>Ace?

Possibly it'd be stupid to think there isn't a chance.

 

[VongolaX]

You assume that Luffy will just stand and watch as Ace does his thing. He's not Blackbeard. Luffy is one of the fastest people in One Piece, and it's proven that he CoA. You know, he actually can light himself on fire as well, right? In other words, his resistance towards fire is pretty high.

In the manga that was smoke, not fire. You should stop because what you are saying is going nowhere, considering Ace saved luffy before luffy was even fast enough to get out of the way. Even kizaru said luffy was slow, 1 and a half years isn't going to make you the fastest person in onepiece.

 

[VongolaX]

Though this doesn't matter when it comes to Ace and Jinbe's fight, Jinbe could tank more attacks from Akainu than Ace. Ace went fist to fist against him and lost, then Akainu stabbed him through his entire mid section. Jinbe was actually able to take on Akainu's fist.

Ace jumped in and got hit through the chest, Jinbei took a blast through one side of his gut. In case you didn't read the manga, Ace fought Jinbei for 5 days, and they both collapse. After they fell, WB appeared and Ace immediately got up to fight WB, while telling his crew to run away. Where was Jinbei when all this happened? He was still unconscious on the floor!

 

[Itachi Minato]

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Ace jumped in and got hit through the chest, Jinbei took a blast through one side of his gut. In case you didn't read the manga, Ace fought Jinbei for 5 days, and they both collapse. After they fell, WB appeared and Ace immediately got up to fight WB, while telling his crew to run away. Where was Jinbei when all this happened? He was still unconscious on the floor!

While I agree that ace is stronger than the supernovas he did not fight WB immediately after the fighting jimbei.

 

[Pervy Wrath]

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Ace jumped in and got hit through the chest, Jinbei took a blast through one side of his gut. In case you didn't read the manga, Ace fought Jinbei for 5 days, and they both collapse. After they fell, WB appeared and Ace immediately got up to fight WB, while telling his crew to run away. Where was Jinbei when all this happened? He was still unconscious on the floor!

Look through the manga, and you will see Jinbe catching Akainu's magma punch with his own hand, and he didn't fly away like Ace did. That's what I'm talking about.

If Jinbe was in the position where he had to fight WB instead of Ace, he probably would've done the same. That's all trivial. You're just an Ace fanboy, this really is a pointless discussion.

 

[VongolaX]

Look through the manga, and you will see Jinbe catching Akainu's magma punch with his own hand, and he didn't fly away like Ace did. That's what I'm talking about.

If Jinbe was in the position where he had to fight WB instead of Ace, he probably would've done the same. That's all trivial. You're just an Ace fanboy, this really is a pointless discussion.

you're an idoit, just stfu

 

[Pervy Wrath]

you're an idoit, just stfu

You're butthurt, go in a corner and cry.

 

[VongolaX]

You're butthurt, go in a corner and cry.

I can tell your not that bright, only the butthurt would report. Good job, so leave and gtfo...
Your stupidity is not needed. U_U

 

[Pervy Wrath]

I can tell your not that bright, only the butthurt would report. Good job, so leave and gtfo...
Your stupidity is not needed. U_U

Haha, you got reported? xDDDD Too bad it wasn't me

Edit: Oh, and by the way, it's "you're"

 

[VongolaX]

Haha, you got reported? xDDDD Too bad it wasn't me

Edit: Oh, and by the way, it's "you're"

Typo, who gives a sh*t, if you read my last conversation with your pal there, i'm a mihawk/crocodile fan.
So you can't correct my typo, if you can't read my previous post.