Healthy Nagato vs EMS Madara

[Shura]

I'm giving this to Madara. PS is too much for Nagato too handle, but it won't be a stomp.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Assuming Nagato will be able to get close and suck up all the chakra without Madara and the Kyuubi doing something about it. Nagato comes close and a chakra roar that sent 5 Bijuu's flying backwards will send Nagato flying backwards.

Its easy for Susanoo to attack twice in 5 seconds when its armored on the Kyuubi, not to mention Naruto managed to attack Deva before 5 seconds had passed. Not that hard.

The OP didn't say anything about the Kyuubi.

I assumed Madara doesn't have it.

 

[Strict]

Nagato can't match the power of the perfect Susanoo.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Nagato can't match the power of the perfect Susanoo.

Databook says Preta can absorb any amount of chakra while Deva can deflect any attack.

 

[Strict]

Databook says Preta can absorb any amount of chakra while Deva can deflect any attack.

The larger the amount of Chakra, the more time it needs, + the only schockwave of the strike reaches large distances in an instant, allowing to slice apart mountain ranges without a touch. Deva has its limits, too, what was proven against Naruto in Kyuubi's Chakra cloak. The concept of Shinra Tensei is based on repulsive forces that pushes away objects at its center; if the object that have to be pushed away possesses a stronger opposed force (like Naruto had), Shinra Tensei affects the user itself. And here Nagato just can't match the power of the perfect Susanoo, that slices a distant mountain range with one swing of its sword and can equally use more of them at once. the PS can spamm such attacks, Deva-Path is followed by an interval after one usage, the length depended by the strength. Objectively, none of Nagato's offensive techniques can harm the perfect Susanoo.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Nagato takes this mid-high diff if Kurama isn't a factor. The only attacks perfect susano has are energy attacks, so preta path absorbs. Also, the dog would be a problem for Madara. If Kurama where a factor, there's a possibility that Nagato could overide Madara's control over him ( rinnegan is used to control the 10-tails which is far more powerful than Kurama).

 

[Sennin of Logic]

there is no debate to be had.

this one-shots nagato:

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Are you Joking?! He would completely annihilate the attack either by absorbing it or using almighty push to deflect it ( it appears especially effective on projectiles).

 

[BlacLord™]

There is no Mountain in Konoha.

There are mountains all around the edge of Konoha, like the one where Nagato was based and the one's that EMS Madara destroyed with PS Sword.

 

[Strict]

There are mountains all around the edge of Konoha, like the one where Nagato was based and the one's that EMS Madara destroyed with PS Sword.

Shinra Tensei crushed Konoha inside its barrier, I however don't see any mountains inside the area that was affected by Pain's Shinra Tensei:

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A mountain is nowhere seen even beyond of Konohas border. It should may be noted that Nagato's Shinra Tensei is followed by a cooldown whose duration is determined by its strength. The Shinra Tensei you talked about restricted the Deva-Path for a long period. Considering that Deva's ability includes Bansho Tenin and Chibaku Tensei along with Shinra Tensei itself, restricting it would tone down Nagato's power significantly, while Madara can keep spamming mountain busting attacks.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Manga factually speaking:

Rinnegan > EMS





Logically speaking:

Nagato can fly, giving him the ability to dodge Perfect Susano'o.


Nagato can also use Shinra Tensei to completely obliterate mountains at a time, so Perfect Susano'o is matched.


Nagato could possibly have a lower interval time/no interval time and that will be the end of Madara.





I don't see EMS Madara stepping up to the man who was called God.

Shinra tensei's never obliterated a single mountain, let alone mountains. To even pull off the big feat of destroying konoha it took massive chakra. Nagato would swamp his chakra with a massive ST...

@bold: that would be hashirama. Yup, I believe he took on god. nagato wishes he was god with madara's rinnegan.

Nagato can't match the power of EMS-perception enhanced taijutsu.

 

[genii96]

When Nagato can do this then you can say he can use it. Stop making up abilities for him so he can have a chance against Madara.

-Nagato being able to control Gedo: Fanfiction
-Nagato being able to use chakra chains: Fanfictino.
-Gedo being able to suppress chakra in battle: Fanfiction.
-Nagato's summons being able to beat the Kyuubi: BS.

Comparing CST to Shinsuusenju's attack? Just stop...

why dont you stop comparing pain to nagato to give madara the chance?.

A rinnegan user who mastered the rinnegan,not being able to control gedo?BS,especially as paun used it for the sealing of the bijuus,and a young inexperienced nagato used it to kill all of hanzo's men.

"These chakra disruption blades are made from the same material as the chakra receivers used by Nagato . They originated from the black rod in the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path 's abdomen. Pain creates the blades as needed from both arms of any Path, with no apparent limit to their length. Pain can also detach the blade from the arms when requiring to use several of them, or to be thrown as spears.
These blades disrupt the chakra of its victim, rendering them incapable of moving.When a victim is stabbed by the blades, the Rinnegan appears in their mind, implying that Nagato has some degree of influence over them, similar to how he controls the Six Paths."

i'd love to see how long susanoo or kyubi can stay awake,after several chakra disruption blades are disruptung their chakra,which they are made of.

"A technique derived from the Outer Path, which allows the user to manifest chakra chains to bind their target. These chains are strong enough to bind several tailed beasts to a user, even remotely. Through the use of chakra receivers , the user can manifest the chains in other beings, binding a target to the user. These chains are also capable of binding anything that touches the chakra receiver,and according to the Five-Tails , it causes a great deal of pain."

so Nagato cant use the outer path??BS

Nagato cant make chakra receivers?,BS

summons vs kyubi?:
3 headed dog cant be killed through any physical attack,PS slashes,kyubi attacks, would only make it multiply,add these dogs to gedo and kyubi is not a problem. I didnt say the summons alone beat it,i said the summons+gedo handle it quite well.

Shuusinsenju to CST?,hmmm lets see,
an attack that when focused(all the thousands of hands hit PS) created a valley

an attack that wen unfocused(he sent it to every direction) wiped out konoha,and ofcourse this was done by pain,whose power is well below nagato,so a focused CST by nagato,would trump anything that budha did,and obliterate PS.

Do you honestly think that if hashirama has that budha attack konoha in all diections,it will destroy it?,even a focused one,would destroy a large part of konoha. Yet somehow it is stronger than a focused CST from nagato?BS

Comparing shussinsenju to a focused CST by nagato?.fanfiction.

As pateuvasiliu proved above me,ST deflects susanoo's attack regardless of mass,power or size right back at him,which means any tbb madara decides to fire at them,gets blasted right back at him,preta absorbs any susanoo sword,or kyubi chakra attack,healing his wounds and boosting his attacks.


Chakra chains are an outer path rechnique,just like t,a mastered rinnegan user,can use the outer path,unless you want to actually say that nagato cant use the outer path?,also,as i have boldes clearly,chakra chains are also generated from chakra receivers,which nagato can use.

Pain used gedo to seal the bijuus inside,showed the ability to summon it with deva and IIRC,he did it also while in astral form,mastered the rinnegan for over 30 years,yet cant control gedo?,whose making things up?

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Nagato was stated to have mastered control of the Rinnegan.

He should be able to use every Rinnegan tech.

 

[Neutra1 Knight]

Sauce spanks them both

 

[Ryuujinn]

Naruto with knowledge above healthy nagato

O.T : EMS madara with Kyuubi stomps without kyuubi he takes this mid high off

 

[SenninUchiha]

Gedo to distract the Kyuubi and Susan'o, Nagato CT Kyuubi into it, Paths guard Nagato from Madara, then once Kyuubi is trying to break out of CT, paths and Nagato should be able to take out Madara, even though Madara would still have Susann'o, preta path blocks attacks then nagato gets close and takes chakra, ends it..

Sry Madara fans

 

[KidGamer65]

The OP didn't say anything about the Kyuubi.

I assumed Madara doesn't have it.

Its one of his summonings. Unless its said he doesn't have it then he has it.

why dont you stop comparing pain to nagato to give madara the chance?.

No one is comparing Nagato to Pain.

A rinnegan user who mastered the rinnegan,not being able to control gedo?BS,especially as paun used it for the sealing of the bijuus,and a young inexperienced nagato used it to kill all of hanzo's men.

The manga already said you need Senju/Uchiha Blood to properly control the Mazo. Nagato doesn't have both so he isn't getting Obito's Gedo control feats. Manga>Your opinions.

"These chakra disruption blades are made from the same material as the chakra receivers used by Nagato . They originated from the black rod in the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path 's abdomen. Pain creates the blades as needed from both arms of any Path, with no apparent limit to their length. Pain can also detach the blade from the arms when requiring to use several of them, or to be thrown as spears.
These blades disrupt the chakra of its victim, rendering them incapable of moving.When a victim is stabbed by the blades, the Rinnegan appears in their mind, implying that Nagato has some degree of influence over them, similar to how he controls the Six Paths."

This proves nothing. Obito already stated his Outer Path binding is much stronger than Nagato's. The chakra chains come from the Rinnegan user, they aren't inside the chakra receivers. When you have scans or some kind of proof that he can use them then I'll listen.

i'd love to see how long susanoo or kyubi can stay awake,after several chakra disruption blades are disruptung their chakra,which they are made of.

When Nagato can stab those rods into Susanoo then this foolish point can be taken seriously.

"A technique derived from the Outer Path, which allows the user to manifest chakra chains to bind their target. These chains are strong enough to bind several tailed beasts to a user, even remotely. Through the use of chakra receivers , the user can manifest the chains in other beings, binding a target to the user. These chains are also capable of binding anything that touches the chakra receiver,and according to the Five-Tails , it causes a great deal of pain."

Again, this load of garbage proves nothing. Being able to use Outer Path=/=Being able to use it as good as someone who has Senju/Uchiha DNA.

so Nagato cant use the outer path??BS

Never said that.

Nagato cant make chakra receivers?,BS

Never said this either. He can't make chakra chains and I'd like you to actually bring proof to the table.

summons vs kyubi?:

3 headed dog cant be killed through any physical attack,PS slashes,kyubi attacks, would only make it multiply,add these dogs to gedo and kyubi is not a problem. I didnt say the summons alone beat it,i said the summons+gedo handle it quite well.

Or he can use TBB which you conveniently seemed to forget about when typing this.

Stop giving Obito's Gedo control feats to Nagato.

Chakra chains are an outer path rechnique,just like t,a mastered rinnegan user,can use the outer path,unless you want to actually say that nagato cant use the outer path?,also,as i have boldes clearly,chakra chains are also generated from chakra receivers,which nagato can use.

Chakra chains are generated from the receivers using the Rinnegan users chakra. Nagato's chakra recerivers never grew chains when they were touched, nor did they show chains when Naruto touched them after meeting Nagato yet you give this ability to him out of the blue? You make no sense.

Pain used gedo to seal the bijuus inside,showed the ability to summon it with deva and IIRC,he did it also while in astral form,mastered the rinnegan for over 30 years,yet cant control gedo?,whose making things up?

Lacking Senju/Uchiha=Improper Gedo control. That's a manga fact. Deal with it.

Not gonna bother wasting my time debating with someone who makes up abilities during a debate.

Nagato was stated to have mastered control of the Rinnegan.

He should be able to use every Rinnegan tech.

Scan that says Nagato completely mastered the Rinnegan?

Who said he can't use every Rinnegan tech? Nobody did.

 

[Strict]

Genii, aren't you slowly annoyed to bring up the same things in every thread again? The manga proves, that:

• The power of Uchiha and Senju is needed in the first place for the proper control of the Mazou, not the Rinnegan itself.

• The Rinnegan of those who wield it with the affiliated DNA, can make a by far better usage of the Rinnegan, as Obito did by stating that his Outer-Path is by far stronger than Nagato's after a day of usage, though you speak for Nagato's Rinnegan mastery in such high meanings.

Just keep one thing in your mind, the power of a to an Uzumaki transplanted Rinnegan will never match the power the Rinnegan would reach if wielded by a true carrier, who awakened it by containing the power of Uchiha and Senju at its maximum. I give you the two meteors as an example, Madara thew from the sky.

 

[Zexion~]

Genii, aren't you slowly annoyed to bring up the same things in every thread again? The manga proves, that:

- The power of Uchiha and Senju is needed in the first place for the proper control of the Mazou, not the Rinnegan itself.

- The Rinnegan of those who wield it with the affiliated DNA, can make a by far better usage of the Rinnegan, as Obito did by stating that his Outer-Path is by far stronger than Nagato's after a day of usage, though you speak for Nagato's Rinnegan mastery in such high meanings.



Just keep one thing in your mind, the power of a to an Uzumaki transplanted Rinnegan will never match the power the Rinnegan would reach if wielded by a true carrier, who awakened it by containing the power of Uchiha and Senju at its maximum. I give you the two meteors as an example, Madara thew from the sky.

..But nagato controlled the mazou pretty well..

 

[Strict]

..But nagato controlled the mazou pretty well..

In which meanings? I wouldn't compare being stabbed by chakra rods in order to use a Rinnegan characterized technique with letting it going on rampage. One usage of Gedo Mazo left Nagato disabled, completely emaciated and stabbed by a number of rods that took away his chakra for one attack.

 

[Zexion~]

In which meanings? I wouldn't compare being stabbed by chakra rods in order to use a Rinnegan characterized technique with letting it going on rampage. One usage of Gedo Mazo left Nagato disabled, completely emaciated and stabbed by a number of rods that took away his chakra for one attack.

True but hed still be able to fight.. i mean using that as a last resort wouldnt be so bad .. it could be able to go toe to toe with the nine tails ..