Kisame Vs the 5 Kage (Individually)

[elsepa]

Kisame takes them all except from Ay.

 

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kisame wins all mid diff

 

[genii96]

Just going to copy and paste my previous points since it counters a lot youre argument.

GSB beats jinton if they collide,not under any other cirumstances. Onoki's cubed jinton can take out an entire island,which is far bigger than that lake,so one jinton would easily destroy the lake. Onoki can also make rock clones too. And he is flying,which evades just about all of kisame's jutsus. They dont start on a lake,they start on the ground,which goves him ample time to make a giant rock golem,he could also expel it from his mouth,he didnt do so against madara because there was rock underneath,a source of hus jutsus,if there isnt,he simply spits it out,it dosent matter the size,a giant golem is just a rock golem with more chakra an a regular one,onoki can even use his ultra added rock weight tech on kisame's lake to make it so heavy kisame cant use it,he does it on himans,who are mostly water and susanoo who are made up of pure chakra. Onoki can just fire a cubed jinton at the lake,destroying it easily. All of kisame's attacks are easily evaded by flight.

A activated his raiton armour and got to minato's face,before the latter even realized,minato barely escaped via ftg,he cudnt even raise his armsbproperly,minato has better reflexes than A in v2,kisame isnt reacting to him,let alone hitting him with a sword. A is much faster than bee,even in v1 naruto cudnt get past him. Unless kisame's reflexes are on minato's level,he snt countering a raiton armour enhanced A at all. Water dome allows A to infuse his raiton chakra into the water,electrocuting kisame.
A is a master of taijutsu,and has the reflexes to dodge point blank attacks lke juugo's chakra blast and amaterasu,so dodging kisame's sword is no problem
Gaara contrlled his sand when it was mixed with gold dust,which is 20x heavier than water,so how is water going to make his sand difficult?. He controlled enough sand to engul madara only,because he WAS HIDING IT inside the water dragon,if he used plenty,madara would have seen it. Water wod even be absorbed by the sand anyway.gaara can turn kisame's kake,into a muddy playground which he can control,gaara can fight for 2 days straight,so stamina is not a problem. There is no chakra in the normal sand he uses,only his gourd one,hence kisame is not absorbing anything,making sand comes to no effort from gaara. Gaara's sand sensing will easily allow gaara to know the real kisame since a water clone's chakra is one-tenth of the user. Gaara can easily make sand clones as well,whic kisame wont be able to tell the difference.

Gaara's flight renders almost all kisame's jutsu useless. Kisame cant dodge a sand shower or sand hail due to the range of the technique,and since gaara controls all of them remotely,he can attack from all sides,which kisame cant counter.

 

[Edo Odin]

Tsunade and Mei get taken out fairly easily.

Gaara likely gets taken out too, with mid-high diff.

Ay would be tough, but as long as Kisame approaches him with caution, he should be able to pull it off.

Onoki is debatable too. Whoever wins would do so with extreme difficulty, but however, in the end, I'd give it to Onoki.

 

[- Їиfєяио -]

Tsunade and Mei get taken out fairly easily.

Gaara likely gets taken out too, with mid-high diff.

Ay would be tough, but as long as Kisame approaches him with caution, he should be able to pull it off.

Onoki is debatable too. Whoever wins would do so with extreme difficulty, but however, in the end, I'd give it to Onoki.

agree wid you ... but i dont see how onoki's jutsus get past the chakra absorbing sharks hmm

 

[AGoodBoy]

GSB beats jinton if they collide,not under any other cirumstances. Onoki's cubed jinton can take out an entire island,which is far bigger than that lake,so one jinton would easily destroy the lake. Onoki can also make rock clones too. And he is flying,which evades just about all of kisame's jutsus. They dont start on a lake,they start on the ground,which goves him ample time to make a giant rock golem,he could also expel it from his mouth,he didnt do so against madara because there was rock underneath,a source of hus jutsus,if there isnt,he simply spits it out,it dosent matter the size,a giant golem is just a rock golem with more chakra an a regular one,onoki can even use his ultra added rock weight tech on kisame's lake to make it so heavy kisame cant use it,he does it on himans,who are mostly water and susanoo who are made up of pure chakra. Onoki can just fire a cubed jinton at the lake,destroying it easily. All of kisame's attacks are easily evaded by flight.

A activated his raiton armour and got to minato's face,before the latter even realized,minato barely escaped via ftg,he cudnt even raise his armsbproperly,minato has better reflexes than A in v2,kisame isnt reacting to him,let alone hitting him with a sword. A is much faster than bee,even in v1 naruto cudnt get past him. Unless kisame's reflexes are on minato's level,he snt countering a raiton armour enhanced A at all. Water dome allows A to infuse his raiton chakra into the water,electrocuting kisame.
A is a master of taijutsu,and has the reflexes to dodge point blank attacks lke juugo's chakra blast and amaterasu,so dodging kisame's sword is no problem
Gaara contrlled his sand when it was mixed with gold dust,which is 20x heavier than water,so how is water going to make his sand difficult?. He controlled enough sand to engul madara only,because he WAS HIDING IT inside the water dragon,if he used plenty,madara would have seen it. Water wod even be absorbed by the sand anyway.gaara can turn kisame's kake,into a muddy playground which he can control,gaara can fight for 2 days straight,so stamina is not a problem. There is no chakra in the normal sand he uses,only his gourd one,hence kisame is not absorbing anything,making sand comes to no effort from gaara. Gaara's sand sensing will easily allow gaara to know the real kisame since a water clone's chakra is one-tenth of the user. Gaara can easily make sand clones as well,whic kisame wont be able to tell the difference.

Gaara's flight renders almost all kisame's jutsu useless. Kisame cant dodge a sand shower or sand hail due to the range of the technique,and since gaara controls all of them remotely,he can attack from all sides,which kisame cant counter.

except the part where touching kisame makes him lose all his V2 armor. Kisame then heals. Ay does it again, kisame heals. Eventually ay runs out of chakra because kisame heals off of the chakra he steals. Kisame has to do nothing but let ay hit him and samehade would absorb the chakra from just being within close range.Ay loses low diff. Maybe even no diff. kisame doesn't need water dome.

You forget the part about gaara not being able to find any sand under 10 stories of water. He isn't controlling that sand when it's buried deep under an ocean. Gaara isn't beating kisame with gourd sand. Simple water jutsu render his sand attacks useless (because, you know, they'd defend against them). I don't even mean the sand gets heavy. He just simply blocks the attacks while sitting under water. 4 water clones and water jutsu is all it takes to get gaara to eventually waste all his chakra. Sand sensing isn't working when kisame is under water........ Kisame simple dives under water to dodge any sand showers or hails..... Gaara loses low diff. No way in hell he'd be beating kisame with just gourd sand. He can't gain any field advantage..

EDIT: Exactly. Kisame absorbs the chakra in his gourd sand since that's all he has to do. And gaara doesn't have enough sand to turn kisame's lake into a muddy pond..

 

[genii96]

except the part where touching kisame makes him lose all his V2 armor. Kisame then heals. Ay does it again, kisame heals. Eventually ay runs out of chakra because kisame heals off of the chakra he steals. Kisame has to do nothing but let ay hit him and samehade would absorb the chakra from just being within close range.Ay loses low diff. Maybe even no diff. kisame doesn't need water dome.

You forget the part about gaara not being able to find any sand under 10 stories of water. He isn't controlling that sand when it's buried deep under an ocean. Gaara isn't beating kisame with gourd sand. Simple water jutsu render his sand attacks useless (because, you know, they'd defend against them). I don't even mean the sand gets heavy. He just simply blocks the attacks while sitting under water. 4 water clones and water jutsu is all it takes to get gaara to eventually waste all his chakra. Sand sensing isn't working when kisame is under water........ Kisame simple dives under water to dodge any sand showers or hails..... Gaara loses low diff. No way in hell he'd be beating kisame with just gourd sand. He can't gain any field advantage..

EDIT: Exactly. Kisame absorbs the chakra in his gourd sand since that's all he has to do. And gaara doesn't have enough sand to turn kisame's lake into a muddy pond..

you seem to forget that kisame needs to actively absorb chakra,and that he cant ract to A,and even if kisame absorbs upon contact,no way is he absorbing the whole thing,and it wont even matter,cuz A would punch a hole right through his chest or face,killing him instantly.




You forget about the part where gaara makes sand under the earth's surface easily. Meaning making more sand is very easy,and gaara already controled his sand when it was drenched in gold dust which is 20x heavier than water,as well as a water dragon,so controlling sand inside the lake isnt a problem at all.

Gaara can make 4 sand clones of his own easily,which regenerate and use sand techs.

Why isnt sand sesning working?,water does nothing to his sand,so he can easily sense kisame.

Gaara covered an entire village to protect them from a nuke in an instant,so dont tell me he cant cover a simple lake. He dosent even need to,just the part kisame is in,and with something like this popping ip

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the water around kisame will turn to mud easily.

Flight rensers almost all his jutsu useless. His water wont beat gaara's sand.

 

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GSB beats jinton if they collide,not under any other cirumstances. Onoki's cubed jinton can take out an entire island,which is far bigger than that lake,so one jinton would easily destroy the lake. Onoki can also make rock clones too. And he is flying,which evades just about all of kisame's jutsus. They dont start on a lake,they start on the ground,which goves him ample time to make a giant rock golem,he could also expel it from his mouth,he didnt do so against madara because there was rock underneath,a source of hus jutsus,if there isnt,he simply spits it out,it dosent matter the size,a giant golem is just a rock golem with more chakra an a regular one,onoki can even use his ultra added rock weight tech on kisame's lake to make it so heavy kisame cant use it,he does it on himans,who are mostly water and susanoo who are made up of pure chakra. Onoki can just fire a cubed jinton at the lake,destroying it easily. All of kisame's attacks are easily evaded by flight.

A activated his raiton armour and got to minato's face,before the latter even realized,minato barely escaped via ftg,he cudnt even raise his armsbproperly,minato has better reflexes than A in v2,kisame isnt reacting to him,let alone hitting him with a sword. A is much faster than bee,even in v1 naruto cudnt get past him. Unless kisame's reflexes are on minato's level,he snt countering a raiton armour enhanced A at all. Water dome allows A to infuse his raiton chakra into the water,electrocuting kisame.
A is a master of taijutsu,and has the reflexes to dodge point blank attacks lke juugo's chakra blast and amaterasu,so dodging kisame's sword is no problem
Gaara contrlled his sand when it was mixed with gold dust,which is 20x heavier than water,so how is water going to make his sand difficult?. He controlled enough sand to engul madara only,because he WAS HIDING IT inside the water dragon,if he used plenty,madara would have seen it. Water wod even be absorbed by the sand anyway.gaara can turn kisame's kake,into a muddy playground which he can control,gaara can fight for 2 days straight,so stamina is not a problem. There is no chakra in the normal sand he uses,only his gourd one,hence kisame is not absorbing anything,making sand comes to no effort from gaara. Gaara's sand sensing will easily allow gaara to know the real kisame since a water clone's chakra is one-tenth of the user. Gaara can easily make sand clones as well,whic kisame wont be able to tell the difference.

Gaara's flight renders almost all kisame's jutsu useless. Kisame cant dodge a sand shower or sand hail due to the range of the technique,and since gaara controls all of them remotely,he can attack from all sides,which kisame cant counter.

Okay, and why wouldn't they collide? There both linear attacks. Hirudora and GSB were aimed at each other and they collided, the same would happen when Onoki uses Jinton, only GSB would absorb and become stronger and hit Onoki who has no clue it absorbs ninjutsu. Again, Onoki can go right ahead and fire off his most powerful jinton, in the end, he would only be waisting his chakra. The bigger the better, as explained by Kisame

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While in mid air, with absolutely no cover, bunshins aren't very useful. Not to mention, Kisame fused Samehada gains sensory abilities. Ohhhh, I wish Onoki would be such a fool and remain on the ground to use his rock golem technique, he would only be succeptable to be caught in Water Dome which only requires 1 hand seal

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and quickly engulfs the opponent

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leaving it nearly impossible to avoid. Thus Onoki loses if he wishes to that. As far as dispelling a giant golem out of his mouth, fine. He's never shown to do it, but for the sake of this debate, I won't argue against it. Just keep in mind that Onoki is in flight, to dispel a giant rock golem out of his mouth is going to not only take some time but is going to be very heavy, which means Onoki will need to make it lighter adding more time, meanwhile Kisame sits and watches? No. That only makes Onoki a sitting duck, so that's another bad tactic. Lol man...Onoki needs to touch the water to make it heavy, getting even remotely near it spells out his death. Even if he accomplishes to evade Kisame and his techniques to make the water heavier, which is far fetch'd as it is, Kisame and Samehada absorb chakra, thus making this bad tactic number 3.

I just like to point out that Suigetsu was able to not only react to V1 A but defend against his attack

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This clearly suggests that Kisame should be able to do the same. Kisame not being able to hit him in V2 is insignificant , as he doesn't need to. Kisame couldn't defend himself against V2 Bee, yet he ate of Bees V2 chakra

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So again, Kisame doesn't even need to hit A, all that requires is A come in contact with Kisame and his V2 lightning armor will be eaten. Okay, so? The two times we've seen somewhat get hit with a suiton/raiton combo was Sasuke and Madara, it accomplished nothing but temporarily numbing and paralyzing the target. I'll say it again, Water Dome is constantly draining A's chakra, thus making his lightning weaker. Kisame is very durable, that lightning isn't defeating Kisame nor getting A out of water dome before he drowns or runs out of chakra.

When exactly was Gaara controlling his sand with gold dust? The only time he did this, as far as I know, was when he mixed it in his sand clone which did nothing but levitate on his regular sand. Where are you getting that Gaaras sand will absorb all Kisames water and turn it into a mud pit? What are under lakes and oceans? Sand and mud, how many of these are getting absorbed by the sand and mud under it? None. All this will accomplish is making the water murky, which keeps Kisame hidden while Gaara right in the open. Not all of gaaras sand is sensory sand, it's different, hence why Muu said

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Which implies it's a different type of sand, which also requires chakra, which Kisame disrupts with chakra absorption. On the contrary, Kisamehada knows where Gaara is at all times. Okay, so what you're saying is

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requires no chakra and acts on it's own? No. Gaara uses chakra to control all his sand, so the same chakra disruption applies, not only to the sand in his gourd, but any sand he controls.
Kisame easily dodges sand shower and hail under the water, I don't even know what made you suggest he couldn't.

 

[ChrisWolf]

Kisame beats mei but loses to onooki and a

He's a close match with tsunade and gaara so those are debatable

 

[Dbale]

Kisame beats ay and mei, maybe tsunade but probably loses to gaara and oonoki.

 

[AGoodBoy]

you seem to forget that kisame needs to actively absorb chakra,and that he cant ract to A,and even if kisame absorbs upon contact,no way is he absorbing the whole thing,and it wont even matter,cuz A would punch a hole right through his chest or face,killing him instantly.

You forget about the part where gaara makes sand under the earth's surface easily. Meaning making more sand is very easy,and gaara already controled his sand when it was drenched in gold dust which is 20x heavier than water,as well as a water dragon,so controlling sand inside the lake isnt a problem at all.

Gaara can make 4 sand clones of his own easily,which regenerate and use sand techs.

Why isnt sand sesning working?,water does nothing to his sand,so he can easily sense kisame.

Gaara covered an entire village to protect them from a nuke in an instant,so dont tell me he cant cover a simple lake. He dosent even need to,just the part kisame is in,and with something like this popping ip

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the water around kisame will turn to mud easily.

Flight rensers almost all his jutsu useless. His water wont beat gaara's sand.

you honestly over estimate Ay... Seriously you over estimate him too much. Kisame drained a bijuu. He stole all bee's chakra, then all the available 8 tail chakra. He even sucked bee from BM right back to 1 tail cloak. Are you telling me that V2 armor has more chakra than that? Seriously, ay dies. Why can't you even see that? It doesn't matter how fast his v2 is. He's going to hit kisame, and kisame will heal. Bee also blasted a hole in kisame's chest.

Let me see how best i can put it. See that picture? Now image that same picture with water reaching even above those pillars. K? Gaara isn't getting any sand to do that jutsu. Unless they're already in a desert, gaara doesn't have remotely enough time to even counter his water shock wave with that. And let's not even talk about great water shock wave which creates a dome.
Sand sensing won't work because kisame will be under water. His sand sensing works by littering the place in a sort of sand storm. From there he can locate them depending on how the sand particles react. That's not working while kisame is under water. The only thing he's sensing are the clones above water. Don't even try to say kisame can't survive under water or something. Gaara isn't making 4 sand clones with 1 gourd :leaf:
The only way gaara remotely has a semblance of a chance is in a desert. And even then. Unless he raises a large mass of sand to use, his available sand with be quickly reduced to only the gourd. Once again. gaara can't make more sand if the entire land is covered by water. It takes more of his chakra to even carry that heavy sand. What, he'll raise sand (30+ feet) below the surface against the resistance of the water like it's nothing? This isn't a water dragon. The pressure of the depth, and the weight of the water ontop of the sand would make that an impossible feat to use sand tsunami. All he'd do is create a wave of water. In other case, sand won't make the water muddy unless he constantly stirs a large mass of it.. have you ever been to the beach? There's a ton more sand there than gaara has, but it settle quickly if it's not disturbed.

Flight does nothing XD
Gaara just sits in the sky now while kisame tries to reach him and he can't even find kisame. Gaara eventually runs out of chakra considering, you know, kisame absorbs chakra. So there's that. If you actually think gaara is fighting against a lake with gourd sand... Bro, I like gaara and all. He's my 5th favourite character (Minato, itachi, kimimaro, rock lee, gaara), but c'mon... O_O

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Tsunade and Mei get taken out fairly easily.

Gaara likely gets taken out too, with mid-high diff.

Ay would be tough, but as long as Kisame approaches him with caution, he should be able to pull it off.

Onoki is debatable too. Whoever wins would do so with extreme difficulty, but however, in the end, I'd give it to Onoki.

Agree completely.

Kisame beats mei but loses to onooki and a

He's a close match with tsunade and gaara so those are debatable

Smh, I would love for someone to even begin to explain how Tsunade Vs Kisame is a debatable fight.

He's my 5th favourite character (Minato, itachi, kimimaro, rock lee, gaara), but c'mon... O_O

Lol thats pretty similar to mine, Rock Lee, Itachi, Kisame, Minato, Gaara. Basically the same except Kimmi and Kisame

 

[AGoodBoy]

Why the hell do people overrate Ay so much lmfaooooo. He's like the 4th weakest current kage :leaf: :leaf: :leaf: Gaara and oonoki take him like low diff. By just flying they win already. Jeez this guy gets so overrated because he's quick. All he can do is run on ground and punch lmfaooo. It's astounding how people think ay would actually put up a better fight than mei against kisame.

Originally Posted by ChrisWolf
Kisame beats mei but loses to onooki and a

He's a close match with tsunade and gaara so those are debatable

tsunade is debateable but mei isn't. Trollololololololol. Oh boy :leaf: Tell me how it works out for her punching water and getting drained of all her byakugou chakra.

 

[genii96]

you honestly over estimate Ay... Seriously you over estimate him too much. Kisame drained a bijuu. He stole all bee's chakra, then all the available 8 tail chakra. He even sucked bee from BM right back to 1 tail cloak. Are you telling me that V2 armor has more chakra than that? Seriously, ay dies. Why can't you even see that? It doesn't matter how fast his v2 is. He's going to hit kisame, and kisame will heal. Bee also blasted a hole in kisame's chest.

Let me see how best i can put it. See that picture? Now image that same picture with water reaching even above those pillars. K? Gaara isn't getting any sand to do that jutsu. Unless they're already in a desert, gaara doesn't have remotely enough time to even counter his water shock wave with that. And let's not even talk about great water shock wave which creates a dome.
Sand sensing won't work because kisame will be under water. His sand sensing works by littering the place in a sort of sand storm. From there he can locate them depending on how the sand particles react. That's not working while kisame is under water. The only thing he's sensing are the clones above water. Don't even try to say kisame can't survive under water or something. Gaara isn't making 4 sand clones with 1 gourd :leaf:
The only way gaara remotely has a semblance of a chance is in a desert. And even then. Unless he raises a large mass of sand to use, his available sand with be quickly reduced to only the gourd. Once again. gaara can't make more sand if the entire land is covered by water. It takes more of his chakra to even carry that heavy sand. What, he'll raise sand (30 feet) below the surface against the resistance of the water like it's nothing? This isn't a water dragon. The pressure of the depth, and the weight of the water ontop of the sand would make that an impossible feat to use sand tsunami. All he'd do is create a wave of water. In other case, sand won't make the water muddy unless he constantly stirs a large mass of it.. have you ever been to the beach? There's a ton more sand there than gaara has, but it settle quickly if it's not disturbed.

Flight does nothing XD
Gaara just sits in the sky now while kisame tries to reach him and he can't even find kisame. Gaara eventually runs out of chakra considering, you know, kisame absorbs chakra. So there's that. If you actually think gaara is fighting against a lake with gourd sand... Bro, I like gaara and all. He's my 5th favourite character (Minato, itachi, kimimaro, rock lee, gaara), but c'mon... O_O

kisame can drain A ,if he can react to him with his sword,if minato could barely react to him,and if he moved fast enough to avoid a point blank amaterasu,what chance does kisame have to hit him?,an ms user cudnt keep up with his speed. Km naruto smashed kisame before he could complete a sentence,v1 A easily kept up with a more trained km naruto,yet kisame somehow reacts to v2 A?,bee didnt blow a hole through his chest,bee just blew the surface of his chest,as kisame clearly managed to move to grab his sword,A literarily punched right through juugo's chest,there was a deep hole,if that happens to kisame's face,which he nearly did to minato,or his heart,kisame is dead.


Pressure?,you think the pressure from kisame's lake is going to stop gaara from raising his sand?,do you know that gaara can send someone 200m underground with his sand?,where there is so much pressure that steel gets crushed?,do you know the depth,that minerals are formed?:flaw:do you know how much pressure that is?,do you know that gaara has been dealing with that kind of pressure since he was 13?,so does metal get crushed by the pressure of kisame's lake?,do minerals get formed there?. The pressure from kisame's lake is nothing at all.

Gaara gets his sand from the depth of the earth where strong minerals are,water is not stopping it from getting to the surface,not at all. Sand sensing works anywhere,water isnt stopping it,it will slow the movement down,but thats it,kisame cant survive underwater when it is polluted with sand particles,cua he dosent breathe in sand. Gaara simply flies up and attacks him. Gaara dosent need to do a sand tsunami like in that picture,he can just do it like this

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what do you mean flying does nothing?,and gaara running out of chakra by simply using desert suspension?,he fought for 2 days without running out:flaw:,he can keep using his sand within the lake to mix them in and mudify the environment,and why cant gaara attack kisame?,he just does a sand hail,easily covering a large area of the battlefield,alongside a few clones to increase the range,this coupled with his sand eye,which he can send underwater anyway alongside his sensng,and kisame isnt hiding fr long,gaara isnt using his gourd sand alone,he has tons more.

 

[RicardoA]

Doesn't matter whether he can or not, Onoki isn't dispelling a golem of this

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out of his mouth hence why he didn't in that scan. It is an innate ability of Kisame to absorb chakra through direct contact as shown

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, he doesn't need Samehada to absorb chakra.
Pay close to attention to what Kisame says

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"The jutsu itself absorbs chakras, to grow bigger and stronger" and then "The stronger my opponents ninjutsu is, the better it works" Therefore GSB > any jinton thrown at it, the bigger the better. Kisame pretty much reiterates that

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In that scan you showed me, Gaara only hid the gold dust in his clone, where is he manipulating it as he normally does his sand? Again Gaara is limited to sand in his gourd, which isn't a huge amount compared to the amount of water Kisame can dispel. Sand Drizzle is easily avoided by water clones, submerging into the water, or fusing with samehada where his speed will be to fast for Gaara to catch in the water. Piercing Kisame? He can heal himself via samehada.

It doesn't have to be giant, one the size of Akatsuchi's is enough to stall, giving Onoki time to get out of the WD, but even that is countered by Jinton (the WD):

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(again the same link i know) imo that it isn't a problem getting out, the scale of this jutsu is enough. If Kisame could absorb that much chakra, samehada wouldn't be needed. The attack he absorved from Aoba isn't nothing special but if he gets hit by a golem (this time a giant since i said how he gets out of WD) nothing guarantees he can absorb all its chakra in time. Even if he did, the golem would probably break and lots of rocks would fall on Kisame, giving a opening to Onoki. I don't even see Kisame using GSB :|

The link was only to prove he can incorporate gold sand into his normal sand and manipulate it just fine, he already beat the weight problem when he defeated his father, Gold >>>>> Water in terms of weight, i don't even remember being stated in the manga water was his weakness ever. The sand in his gourd is enough for a sand clone and then use Desert Suspension to get out. After that he can make more sand and start countering better. After having more sand it shouldn't be difficult to steal Samehada from Kisame, taking away the healing factor. I think this one can go either way very high diff really.

 

[HungryMaelstrom]

Damn....Kisame....who is made powerful solely because of the samehada's ability ...beat each Kage... smh
You guys underestimate the kages...really...

Everyone knows Kisame Is very strong...but These are the 5 KAGES... And guys please stop underestimating Mei ...please

Oonoki ---> rock clone ---> weighted boulder jutsu on sameheda GG ---> particle style
Ay immune to his own chakra nature, he can just spam raiton if blitzing Kisame fails....
Gaara ----> The worst thing he could possibly do is any field affecting suiton....sand moves around effectively in water He will just be increasing the sands volume...

Mei and tsunade are different stories.....
I'l repeat myself...Kisame specializes in fighting biju... In the manga he specifically stated that..."as the enemy gets stronger I get stronger, because of the sameheda". During his fight with Bee he was already a step ahead because in order for Bee to achieve his top speed he has to be cloaked in his hachibi's chakra... Kisame Gained power from Bee, what we seen in the Kisame vs. Bee fight was not Kisame base power, that kind of power would not be applicable If fighting any of the Kages.

So if we have Kisame vs. Sasuke (or anyone with cursed mark), Gold and silver bros. (or anyone with biju chakra) or anyone else with Massive chakra natures...Kisame rapes

If Tsunade is confirmed to use nature as means for energy or releases a senin mode Kisame is ****ed....Infinite mitotic regeneration doesn't cloak her body in chakra, it increases the rate of mitosis...cell regeneration... her wounds will heal immediate if cued...
She has Ranshinshō --which everyone seams to forget about. which she can use to stop kisame from chanelling chakra specifically from sameheda.

And most slugs live under water.... for the people who beleive slugs a weak to water for some reason.

regarding Mei...Not to be the person that makes speculation about unconfirmed content but, any form of Suiton would just be helping her ....Boil release.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Lol okay genii, ignore my post and reiterate what has already been countered about A and depend upon Gaara raising a bunch of soft mush from the bottom of the lake to defeat Kisame with. Just like doton users must be on the ground to poor chakra into it to use their techniques, Gaara has to be on the ground pouring his chakra into it to create sand out of the minerals, unless you have a scan showcasing him creating sand while in flight.

While you can't prove he can, I can prove he can't.

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He must be on the ground to use these techniques and the same applies for

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It doesn't have to be giant, one the size of Akatsuchi's is enough to stall, giving Onoki time to get out of the WD, but even that is countered by Jinton (the WD):

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(again the same link i know) imo that it isn't a problem getting out, the scale of this jutsu is enough. If Kisame could absorb that much chakra, samehada wouldn't be needed. The attack he absorved from Aoba isn't nothing special but if he gets hit by a golem (this time a giant since i said how he gets out of WD) nothing guarantees he can absorb all its chakra in time. Even if he did, the golem would probably break and lots of rocks would fall on Kisame, giving a opening to Onoki. I don't even see Kisame using GSB :|

The link was only to prove he can incorporate gold sand into his normal sand and manipulate it just fine, he already beat the weight problem when he defeated his father, Gold >>>>> Water in terms of weight, i don't even remember being stated in the manga water was his weakness ever. The sand in his gourd is enough for a sand clone and then use Desert Suspension to get out. After that he can make more sand and start countering better. After having more sand it shouldn't be difficult to steal Samehada from Kisame, taking away the healing factor. I think this one can go either way very high diff really.

Dude, how is a golem going to help stall for Onoki? I don't get your point. And how is that jinton beam going to get him out of WD? Him getting caught in it wasn't even in the argument in the first place. If Onoki gets caught in that, he's finished.

Gaara wasn't even manipulating it though...it was riding on a regular sound cloud which was doing all the movements. The sand clone with gold dust was nothing but a dummy to be hit, he did nothing significant with it. I don't feel like repeating myself with the rest of your points, just read my post that genii for some reason decided to ignore.

Damn....Kisame....who is made powerful solely because of the samehada's ability ...beat each Kage... smh
You guys underestimate the kages...really...

Everyone knows Kisame Is very strong...but These are the 5 KAGES... And guys please stop underestimating Mei ...please

Oonoki ---> rock clone ---> weighted boulder jutsu on sameheda GG ---> particle style
Ay immune to his own chakra nature, he can just spam raiton if blitzing Kisame fails....
Gaara ----> The worst thing he could possibly do is any field affecting suiton....sand moves around effectively in water He will just be increasing the sands volume...

Mei and tsunade are different stories.....
I'l repeat myself...Kisame specializes in fighting biju... In the manga he specifically stated that..."as the enemy gets stronger I get stronger, because of the sameheda". During his fight with Bee he was already a step ahead because in order for Bee to achieve his top speed he has to be cloaked in his hachibi's chakra... Kisame Gained power from Bee, what we seen in the Kisame vs. Bee fight was not Kisame base power, that kind of power would not be applicable If fighting any of the Kages.

So if we have Kisame vs. Sasuke (or anyone with cursed mark), Gold and silver bros. (or anyone with biju chakra) or anyone else with Massive chakra natures...Kisame rapes

If Tsunade is confirmed to use nature as means for energy or releases a senin mode Kisame is ****ed....Infinite mitotic regeneration doesn't cloak her body in chakra, it increases the rate of mitosis...cell regeneration... her wounds will heal immediate if cued...
She has Ranshinshō --which everyone seams to forget about. which she can use to stop kisame from chanelling chakra specifically from sameheda.

And most slugs live under water.... for the people who beleive slugs a weak to water for some reason.

regarding Mei...Not to be the person that makes speculation about unconfirmed content but, any form of Suiton would just be helping her ....Boil release.

You act as if Kisame wasn't kage level.

Already posted why I believe A, Onoki, Gaara, and Mei lose, and i'm not going to keep repeating myself. As for Tsunade...

Let me know what are Tsunades counter for Water Dome? What are her means of getting out? Katsuya accomplishes nothing because Kisamehada has sensory abilities and will know where Tsunade is. She drowns as well as gets her chakra drained.

 

[RicardoA]

Dude, how is a golem going to help stall for Onoki? I don't get your point. And how is that jinton beam going to get him out of WD? Him getting caught in it wasn't even in the argument in the first place. If Onoki gets caught in that, he's finished.

Gaara wasn't even manipulating it though...it was riding on a regular sound cloud which was doing all the movements. The sand clone with gold dust was nothing but a dummy to be hit, he did nothing significant with it. I don't feel like repeating myself with the rest of your points, just read my post that genii for some reason decided to ignore.

Those golems can tank Deidara's C1 only losing a few bits of rock:

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don't you think that thing is sturdy enough to deliver a strong punch? Even if its chakra is stealed, its made of rock and is going to hit. I'm aware that Kisame is a physically strong individual, i'm not saying he'll lose because of it but will surely be delayed.
@bold: obviously atomizing the water -_-

Gaara's sand has no problems in water, period. That's all i was trying to say. Gaara can use sand to do the same as the golem and desert suspension out of WD, start making more sand and attack with full power.

We both made our points i don't think more debate is needed.

 

[AGoodBoy]

kisame can drain A ,if he can react to him with his sword,if minato could barely react to him,and if he moved fast enough to avoid a point blank amaterasu,what chance does kisame have to hit him?,an ms user cudnt keep up with his speed. Km naruto smashed kisame before he could complete a sentence,v1 A easily kept up with a more trained km naruto,yet kisame somehow reacts to v2 A?,bee didnt blow a hole through his chest,bee just blew the surface of his chest,as kisame clearly managed to move to grab his sword,A literarily punched right through juugo's chest,there was a deep hole,if that happens to kisame's face,which he nearly did to minato,or his heart,kisame is dead.


Pressure?,you think the pressure from kisame's lake is going to stop gaara from raising his sand?,do you know that gaara can send someone 200m underground with his sand?,where there is so much pressure that steel gets crushed?,do you know the depth,that minerals are formed?:flaw:do you know how much pressure that is?,do you know that gaara has been dealing with that kind of pressure since he was 13?,so does metal get crushed by the pressure of kisame's lake?,do minerals get formed there?. The pressure from kisame's lake is nothing at all.

Gaara gets his sand from the depth of the earth where strong minerals are,water is not stopping it from getting to the surface,not at all. Sand sensing works anywhere,water isnt stopping it,it will slow the movement down,but thats it,kisame cant survive underwater when it is polluted with sand particles,cua he dosent breathe in sand. Gaara simply flies up and attacks him. Gaara dosent need to do a sand tsunami like in that picture,he can just do it like this

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what do you mean flying does nothing?,and gaara running out of chakra by simply using desert suspension?,he fought for 2 days without running out:flaw:,he can keep using his sand within the lake to mix them in and mudify the environment,and why cant gaara attack kisame?,he just does a sand hail,easily covering a large area of the battlefield,alongside a few clones to increase the range,this coupled with his sand eye,which he can send underwater anyway alongside his sensng,and kisame isnt hiding fr long,gaara isnt using his gourd sand alone,he has tons more.

Dude, base Bee is stronger than V2 Ay.(not i said stronger - though i doubt he's even much faster).

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Even tsunade is stronger than the guy. you really think kisame would take a lariat from bee and survive, but die from one off ay? His chakra gets sucked by being next to samehade. Both samehade and kisame suck chakra. Like i've said, bee is roughly the same speed as ay. That's why they make a good double lariat team. Else bee would always be falling behind when ay blitzes. V1/V2 Bee isn't slow at all. If anything, he could possibly be faster than Ay. He's definitely faster than V1 ay.

Just accept the fact that gaara can't use the sand under the water -.-... What the hell would he do? Create waves? A sand tsunami under water would just create a large wave. He'd give kisame air to be able to attack him if anything. Stop overrating gaara. Weight obviously affects his use of sand, else oonoki wouldn't have to decrease the weight of his gourd sand so he'd be able to use it more effectively on madara. I can't believe you're trying to argue that gaara can possibly combat kisame's water with sand. :| Gaara has literally never shown the feat to create that much sand. Water dome atleast is able to trap large summons very easily. Gaara has never created large sand attacks on that scale. Kisame would flood the entire sand village if given the oppotunity. And then kisame uses a GSB to destroy that sand attack. The force of his GSB would through that back, suck up any chakra used to manipulate it (it isn't magic sand), grow and then black gaara.

As in flying doesn't help him win. He's just avoiding the inevitable. It doesn't matter how long he can when his opponent drains chakra. Any chakra infused in sand gets drained and fed to kisame. If kisame ever touches him the match is over. Gaara is limited to what he can do with his gourd. He does sand hail and kisame dives. Sand hail is used to trap people for desert coffin. That makes no sense when the guy has water under his feat. So kisame can't create water clones also?

GSB. Great shock wave. Water prison(gaara instantly loses if this catches him because you can't break out of it from the inside). 1000 Shark missiles (trumps every sand clone instantly). These all defeat anything in gaara's arsenal.
Gaara starts off with sand tsunami? Great shock wave. Boom. The large water wave pushes his sand back, cover it, then floods the entire area for a few meters in the air; kisame then fuses with samehade, and voila. Anything with chakra (aka all gaara's sand attacks) get reduced right back to ordinary, unmanipulated sand.

 

[Joshutsu]

Kisame vs Tsunade : kisame wins mid diff with his sword, taijutsu is not his strong point as seen with guy so maybe she could handle it, without his sword though byakugou would be a problem paired with the taijutsu.

Kisame vs Mei : he wins mid diff, be can basically use all the jutsu she can except boil release and lava release, to which lava release is basically useless to a suiton user and boil release is probably the best she has, i don;t think that would be enough i could be wrong.

Kisame vs Onoki: I think onoki wins with his jutsu i forget its name, high difficulty.

Kisame vs Gaara: well Gaaras sand won't fair well against him so i dont see that happening either.


Kisame vs bee: well he is a lighning user, hes pretty fast as well, but kisame took out bee or was going to so i'm gonna say and kisame has a chance and bee also has a chance to try and end him with his amazing speed.