Uncovering the mystery: Hiraishin

[iSpeak]

The scan I've provided in the OP is enough. Can you at least show me a scan to counter that not all ninjutsu falls under shape or nature transformation? I have supported my claim through that scan. Try to support your claim.

By the way, if i'll ask you if you really believe that there are only two methods of manipulating chakra what is your answer?

If you don't believe that there are only two then what made you think that way?

What proof? Like I said, that page you posted doesn't prove anything. You are just misinterpreting what Kakashi is saying.

You cant prove that all ninjutsu fall under either category.

 

[Blaze Release]

Yeah. All of us here hopes for that. But I don't think it's good to say someone that he/she is wrong when you yourself is not certain about what is right. I believe FTG to be YIN YANG release based on the info provided in the OP and you believe it to YANG release. Sad thing here is both are all theories so if you ask me, then the best way is to answer something we are not sure of is I don't know.

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and believing its some form of yin or yang.
However i picked yang because i believe that is where fuinjutsu in general might belong, under this canopy and hiraishin might possibly fall here, if we are to believe that jutsu's that do not fall under the 5 ordinary nature's will fall under either yin or yang or both. Example kage bunshin isn't part of the 5 elements, however i do believe its based on yang energy.
However you are suggesting that its a combo of both which is far fetched, something you still do not understand.

EDIT: Meh who knows

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Ispeak my boy just stop you know how hardcore this punk can get yes ?
you already showed him the light in the past if he doesn't listen then i don't see why he will listen to you now.....

 

[ajpn920]

Lol, what proof? Like I said, that page you posted doesn't prove anything. You are just misinterpreting what Kakashi is saying.

You cant prove that all ninjutsu fall under either category.

You cant prove that all ninjutsu fall under either category

You know what, I understand your style now but too bad it will not work on me. I'm always one step ahead of you... You're trying to win an argument by just making the other commit mistakes or until there is nothing more he can prove but you cannot prove your claim in the first place..LOL

It's my turn to end this style of yours..Nice style by the way, too bad you're doing it against me. Can you answer these questions? You're intelligent enough to answer this so this is not a big deal.

Here they are:

1. What made you think that I misinterpreted that scan in the OP?
2. What is your interpretation of that scan? Saying that I misinterpreted that scan means you have the proper interpretation.
3. Can you prove that not all ninjutsu fall under the two categories?

As you can see, I have provided something which can support my claim. I can't remember you proving anything. Am i right or I am right?

The problem is I have something to prove while you don't have any. Forget that trick of yours. It will not work on me. Please answer those questions. Just those questions alone. Don't play around...k?

 

[iSpeak]

You know what, I understand your style now but too bad it will not work on me. I'm always one step ahead of you... You're trying to win an argument by just making the other commit mistakes or until there is nothing more he can prove but you cannot prove your claim in the first place..LOL

It's my turn to end this style of yours..Nice style by the way, too bad you're doing it against me. Can you answer these questions? You're intelligent enough to answer this so this is not a big deal.

Here they are:

1. What made you think that I misinterpreted that scan in the OP?
2. What is your interpretation of that scan? Saying that I misinterpreted that scan means you have the proper interpretation.
3. Can you prove that not all ninjutsu fall under the two categories?

As you can see, I have provided something which can support my claim. I can't remember you proving anything. Am i right or I am right?

The problem is I have something to prove while you don't have any. Forget that trick of yours. It will not work on me. Please answer those questions. Just those questions alone. Don't play around...k?

What style are you talking about?

1) You still cant see that the scan you provided doesn't help you in anyway? Kakashi says you need nature and shape manipulation to create rasenshuriken. This is all he says. Explain to me how this means every ninjutsu requires either shape or nature transformation?

2) Explain to me how FTG incorporates Yin and Yang release - the power of vitality and imagination (still waiting for your answer).

3)
Eight Branches Technique
Performance of a Hundred Puppets
Phantom Dragons Nine Consuming Seals
Edo Tensei
Summonings
The Chikamatsu Collection of Ten Puppets
Body Flicker technique
Heavenly Transfer Technique

These are all ninjutsu, explain to me where they fall. Are they all Yin-Yang aswell?

Ispeak my boy just stop you know how hardcore this punk can get yes ?
you already showed him the light in the past if he doesn't listen then i don't see why he will listen to you now.....

Lol, I just like to open the eyes of my fellow NB members when they are mislead

 

[Waltz]

Well, what I know and possibly you also is that FTG is a ninjutsu and there are only two methods of manipulating chakra that being the shape or nature. If you don't believe FTG to be in Shape transformation then it has to be in Nature transformation which is self explanatory that it can't fall under the 1st 5 elements. So, obviously it has to be a yin yang release.

Makes sense, but who knows really. It seems to function different from other Yin//Yang techniques falling more under Yang than yin.

 

[ajpn920]

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and believing its some form of yin or yang.
However i picked yang because i believe that is where fuinjutsu in general might belong, under this canopy and hiraishin might possibly fall here, if we are to believe that jutsu's that do not fall under the 5 ordinary nature's will fall under either yin or yang or both. Example kage bunshin isn't part of the 5 elements, however i do believe its based on yang energy.
However you are suggesting that its a combo of both which is far fetched, something you still do not understand.

EDIT: Meh who knows

Example kage bunshin isn't part of the 5 elements, however i do believe its based on yang energy

You do believe that kage bunshin is based on yang but i'm certain that you are not 100% sure about. Does it crosses your mind that a clone technique can fall in shape transformation?

However i picked yang because i believe that is where fuinjutsu in general might belong

What made you think FTG is just a fuinjutsu when it is labelled being a ninjutsu? FTG uses the seal for the purpose of marking the destination.

Ispeak my boy just stop you know how hardcore this punk can get yes ?
you already showed him the light in the past if he doesn't listen then i don't see why he will listen to you now.....

another idiot which can't contribute anything. you know, i'm beginning to appreciate that ispeak kid. he has the style to trick someone...he's much better compared to an idiot like you. GTFO in my thread if you can't contribute something good.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

another idiot which can't contribute anything. you know, i'm beginning to appreciate that ispeak kid. he has the style to trick someone...he's much better compared to an idiot like you. GTFO in my thread if you can't contribute something good.

i played with you long enough in the past yeah long enough to make you stated minato is immune to a genjutsu just because we never seen him get caught in one........

there is no need for me to contribute in this issue since this case is pretty much over back then, you're just repeating this issue all over again.

 

[Minator93]

This thread was enlightening.

I thought I knew stuff about Naruto but compared to you guys I don't know much.

 

[Minator93]

i played with you long enough in the past yeah long enough to make you stated minato is immune to a genjutsu just because we never seen him get caught in one........

there is no need for me to contribute in this issue since this case is pretty much over back then, you're just repeating this issue all over again.

Totsuka, I don't know who broke your heart but it wasn't me or ajpn so stop trolling in his thread. I understand you try to troll me in my threads but this thread was different so do not spam in here.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Totsuka, I don't know who broke your heart but it wasn't me or ajpn so stop trolling in his thread. I understand you try to troll me in my threads but this thread was different so do not spam in here.

neither of you broke my heart sweet heart, if there is its the other way around,
and damn not even once i tried to troll in your thread LOL it doesn't worth it

 

[Minator93]

neither of you broke my heart sweet heart, if there is its the other way around,
and damn not even once i tried to troll in your thread LOL it doesn't worth it

My heart is still in its place so no problem there. And if you feel you haven't then thanks for telling me that, now I'm sure that you're little bit retarded U_U

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

My heart is still in its place so no problem there. And if you feel you haven't then thanks for telling me that, now I'm sure that you're little bit retarded U_U

must be hard being you....... i mean a retarded person put you in your placed countless time...........

 

[Minator93]

must be hard being you....... i mean a retarded person put you in your placed countless time...........

Put me in my place countless times?? Whatever makes you happy U_U

 

[OnPoint]

Yin-Yang Release? No, that's a Rikudō power for those who have the Rinnegan or the blood of both the Uchiha and Senju. You're saying Hiraishin incorporates both, but that implies Minato is creating things in his own imagination/realm and then breathing life/energy into these forms (and thus, making them real) - that doesn't make sense when you consider the mechanics of his Jikūkan Ninjutsu or the requirements for using both Yin and Yang Release.

Since Yin Release (alone) seems based on Mental energy and illusion-based techniques, and since Hiraishin is almost entirely connected to this plane of reality, I would speculate that if there were to be some sort of nature transformation involved, it would be Yang Release only. If it were to use both sides, it would become more like Izanagi or even Banbutsu Sōzō - it isn't, at all. Looking at it from a general standpoint, it may turn out that S/T techniques in general can't be sectioned under nature transformation. Hiraishin is probably just a clever manipulation of your typical Kuchiyose no Jutsu.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Put me in my place countless times?? Whatever makes you happy U_U

well at least you don't denied the truth......

Yin-Yang Release? No, that's a Rikudō power for those who have the Rinnegan or the blood of both the Uchiha and Senju.

not really, the second mizukage use yin release, and he's not even an uchiha/senju.....

 

[Nous]

Good work - well done.

 

[Blaze Release]

not really, the second mizukage use yin release, and he's not even an uchiha/senju.....

Nope. The ability to use either yang or yin is very possible given what naruto said and yamato replied. [

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Its clearly hinting that either can be achieved and there are techniques that fall under either. But the combination of yin AND yang which is the 6th element is impossible under normal circumstances.

Only people so far that have done this or have been hyped to have this are:
Rikudou sennin
Nagato
Madara
Obito

 

[OnPoint]

not really, the second mizukage use yin release, and he's not even an uchiha/senju.....

Yin-Yang Release, as in, using both Yin and Yang simultaneously.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Nope. The ability to use either yang or yin is very possible given what naruto said and yamato replied. [

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Its clearly hinting that either can be achieved. But the combination of yin AND yang which is the 6th element is impossible under normal circumstances

Yin-Yang Release, as in, using both Yin and Yang simultaneously.

ah so that's what you mean then my bad for not reading properly..........