[Theory] The Reason Why Madara Survived The Battle With Hashirama (Solved)

[Minator93]

I agree completely, In fact I made a thread about it explaining it was a genjutsu however my thread lacked the tiny details you provided

So another day at the office for Sir Sherlock-Derp I presume

 

[Zenic]

I don't think he really wants to take revenge on the village, he just wants Hashirama's cells to awaken the Rinnegan by combining it with his body. As for killing Hashirama, I don't think he can, or at least he didn't want to, it's just paralleling Naruto vs Sasuke in VotE in Part 1: Sasuke could've killed Naruto but he didn't, same with Obito when he didn't kill Kakashi back then.

But Hashirama did say "After he left, he constantly attacked the village"

Why would stop at the most important phase of his plan?

You're right about the genjutsu bit but there's more to it than that.. We'll have to wait and see :T_T:

 

[Scooby Doo]

Hashi was in sage mode, he would have sensed if he was caught in genjutsu.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

But Hashirama did say "After he left, he constantly attacked the village"

Why would stop at the most important phase of his plan?

You're right about the genjutsu bit but there's more to it than that.. We'll have to wait and see :T_T:

When did Hashirama say that? I thought everyone had the impression Madara died during that fight.

Hashi was in sage mode, he would have sensed if he was caught in genjutsu.

Hashirama wasn't in Sage Mode near the finale of the battle, it could be that Madara used the genjutsu the moment before or during Hashirama stabbed him in the back.

 

[Zenic]

When did Hashirama say that? I thought everyone had the impression Madara died during that fight.



Hashirama wasn't in Sage Mode near the finale of the battle, it could be that Madara used the genjutsu the moment before or during Hashirama stabbed him in the back.

I shall link you to the scan now

 

[Scooby Doo]

You were talking about these panels:

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On the 2nd page when Madara's EMS is shown, Hashi was still in sage mode. Even if not, Madara could have placed genjutsu on Hashi anytime when they were talking before. Do you really think that Hashi wouldn't have noticed? They had fought countless times.
Also, I think the moon is just there to show that their battle lasted all day, till night.

 

[Zenic]

I shall link you to the scan now

Edit: Just left a VM

 

[Filo]

It's a genjutsu, why is it that before Hashirama looked upward and had that twinkle/sparkle, the sword was lounged in Madara's body but after he fell, the sword was glaringly missing from Madara's chest.

Yes aha I agreee with you! I just noticed you didnt point this out in your theory and wasnt sure if you noticed the "disappearing" sword!

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

You were talking about these panels:

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On the 2nd page when Madara's EMS is shown, Hashi was still in sage mode. Even if not, Madara could have placed genjutsu on Hashi anytime when they were talking before. Do you really think that Hashi wouldn't have noticed? They had fought countless times.
Also, I think the moon is just there to show that their battle lasted all day, till night.

Hashirama was low on chakra, he's not immune to genjutsu if Madara used it on him on a weakened/non-sage mode state. Hashirama himself was baffled as to why Madara survived. Not to mention Madara is privy to the info in the Naka Tablet. The entire battle was merely a ruse to obtain Hashirama's cells.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Hashirama was low on chakra, he's not immune to genjutsu if Madara used on him on a weakened/non-sage mode state. Not to mention he is privy to the info in the Naka Tablet. The entire battle was merely a ruse to obtain Hashirama's cells.

And I think Hashi only looked up to look at the rain, even if it sounds simple. This is the same like when Sasuke was standing above Naruto after their battle, it was raining, he looked up, then he fell on his knees. Just like Hashi and Madara, but in the latter case it was the Uchiha that was down.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

And I think Hashi only looked up to look at the rain, even if it sounds simple. This is the same like when Sasuke was standing above Naruto after their battle, it was raining, he looked up, then he fell on his knees. Just like Hashi and Madara, but in the latter case it was the Uchiha that was down.

It still doesn't explain why Hashirama was baffled as to why Madara survived the fight, which the latter did, so something genjutsu related is the probable cause of Madara's survival, or worst case plot-scenario: Hashirama was lying and he spared Madara's life and even gave him his cells just to survive.

 

[Scooby Doo]

It still doesn't explain why Hashirama was baffled as to why Madara survived the fight, which the latter did, so something genjutsu related is the probable cause of his survival.

Why don't you accept the Izanagi theory?

And they have fought many times before. Always Hashi won. I think Madara just realized that he will never be able to defeat Hashi so he resorted to a trick- but if it had been a simple genjutsu, he could have used that any time before...He realized that he has to make Hashi believe that he is dead and just get the DNA for future perspectives.

 

[Lightbringer]

Damn dude, nice catch!

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Why don't you accept the Izanagi theory?

And they have fought many times before. Always Hashi won. I think Madara just realized that he will never be able to defeat Hashi so he resorted to a trick- but if it had been a simple genjutsu, he could have used that any time before...He realized that he has to make Hashi believe that he is dead and just get the DNA for future perspectives.

But Izanagi is Genjutsu, I never dismissed that possibility :|

 

[Scooby Doo]

But Izanagi is Genjutsu, I never dismissed that possibility :|

Ah, okay then

I go with that...

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Ah, okay then

I go with that...

Yeah Lol

I said Genjutsu in the broad general term: it could be Tsukuyomi, Izanagi,Izanami,etc. they're all genjutsu

 

[Scooby Doo]

Yeah Lol

I said Genjutsu in the broad general term: it could be Tsukuyomi, Izanagi,Izanami,etc. they're all genjutsu

Hashi was not caught in a loop so no Izanami.

And right now I cant recall any other eye technique in which the caster gets killed but survives. So I think it's izanagi.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Hashi was not caught in a loop so no Izanami.

And right now I cant recall any other eye technique in which the caster gets killed but survives. So I think it's izanagi.

Yeah most probably Izanagi, I really don't see the possibility of Hashi being caught in a loophole like Kabuto was.

 

[snake orochimaru]

your theory makes a lot of sense and seems very plausible; I'm also supporting Madara's escape through genjutsu...some of the hints offered in this chapter are clearly indicating the use of it.

I think that we'll have to find out from Madara how he did it and I'm certain that Hashirama will meet him.



very good thread sir!

 

[Whitefang0908]

What a great theory, Sir Derp! You're amazing!