[Theory] The Reason Why Madara Survived The Battle With Hashirama (Solved)

[Khallil]

I believe you, but there would be still a gap.. if it's true, than what woud've cause madara's death bad to awaken his rinnegan?

 

[lsgteam]

If Hashi was under Madaras genjutsu, why didnt Madara kill him then?

 

[Booker]

Great as always, I'm just curious as to why Madara wouldn't have used a full blown genjutsu to just beat Hashirama then?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Great as always, I'm just curious as to why Madara wouldn't have used a full blown genjutsu to just beat Hashirama then?

Because he didn't want to kill him, his intention was just to obtain his DNA, and it's also possible that Madara killed him at another time thats why hashi died young

 

[PTran5]

Great job again. It's a very nice theory!

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Great job again. It's a very nice theory!

Thank you

 

[Flawž]

doubt it, genjutsu usually can be broken instantly or later on which points out the fact that hashirama has lived after the fight concluding that it was not genjutsu. It might be something on the lines of izangi.

 

[Almighty Ra]

Great theory but i'm still not fully convinced ..A ++ as always Derp

 

[Booker]

Because he didn't want to kill him, his intention was just to obtain his DNA, and it's also possible that Madara killed him at another time thats why hashi died young

Couldn't he have just killed him then took the DNA?

 

[Almighty Ra]

I found this on Tsukuyomi

Tsukuyomi requires eye contact to be performed, trapping the target within an illusion completely under the user's control. Itachi's prowess with the technique has allowed him to alter the perception of time with ease within the genjutsu to make a few seconds seem like many days as a means to torture the target. This results in the victim suffering psychological trauma that incapacitates them for a considerable period of time.
Idk i'm still kinda doubtful but anything is possible

 

[AlphaScythian]

Couldn't he have just killed him then took the DNA?

Well, hashi did spare his life once. I doubt madara is the type that stays in debt for long.

 

[Husky]

Crap, you even included trope for optical illusion/mesmerization as evidence? Went above and beyond my friend. I did wonder about Hashirama strange reaction shot after the battle with Madara, enough so to humor the possibility of Hashirama being under a genjetsu.

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[MilwaukeegHost]

I have come to the conclusion that based on the subtle evidences presented in Ch. 626 that Madara used a genjutsu or possibly a form of limited Tsukuyomi to make Hashirama think he killed him.


Take a look at this:

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Don't you find it peculiar that Madara's EMS was activated after dislodging from Kurama?

And that the image of the Moon appeared Immediately after that panel:

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It's because Madara had already cast the genjutsu on Hashirama just before they fought mano a mano.

And that is why Madara's EMS was already deactivated at the preceding panels, the genjutsu has already been cast:

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And after Hashirama "killed" him, this was shown:

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And did you notice Hashirama's peculiar upward glare:

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And did you notice the peculiar "diamond shape" symbol?

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That is the manga/anime trope for optical illusion/mesmerization

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And that is why the same image/symbol appeared on the moon and on the panel after Hashirama looked upward:

Before the fight:

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After the fight:

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The genjutsu had just ended/ wore off that is why Hashirama fell to his feet:

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That is why Hashirama has no idea how Madara survived even though he was apparently sure he killed him:

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Because Hashirama was under a genjutsu at that time. Hashirama might have injured Madara but Madara was not killed because he used a genjutsu or a limited form of Tsukuyomi during that fight:

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Using the Moon:

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As always, I disagree.

The upward glare (my theory) could have been because Hashirama sensed someone present there during the end of the fight. If it were any form of genjutsu Madara would not have gotten stabbed through the chest. But he obviously has that chest wound from his current Edo.

Sorry dude but no.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Crap, you even included trope for optical illusion/mesmerization as evidence? Went above and beyond my friend. I did wonder about Hashirama strange reaction shot after the battle with Madara, enough so to humor the possibility of Hashirama being under a genjetsu.

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Yes very peculiar indeed

As always, I disagree. The upward glare (my theory) could have been because Hashirama sensed someone present there during the end of the fight. If it were any form of genjutsu Madara would not have gotten stabbed through the chest. But he obviously has that chest wound from his current Edo. Sorry dude but no.

Who would've been present besides Hashi and Madz? And perhaps the wounding is needed to transplant and cultivate Hashi's cells.

 

[Steaktacular]

Dem observation skills ^^

Best theory on this so far, kudos

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Couldn't he have just killed him then took the DNA?

It's just like Sasuke sparing Naruto's life in VotE

 

[6thpathsage]

The diamond symbols signifies a sudden action, or a sudden realization. I believe Hashirama dropped down due to the wounds he had endured throughout the fight, that finally took a tole in his body at the end.

I get the same feeling like he realised how tired he was, or realised what they had done to the ground.

OP: could he have programmed a gen jutsu into the moon that reflected back to hashirama to believe he killed him.

I like your theory but I think if he cast a gen jutsu that early and it was successful the ground wouldn't be so messed up meaning no valley of the end.

 

[Dark Artist]

i just found this after reading ur thread !

great found now this explain the whole thing and he can say this is FACT not a theory since hashirama's statement when he said " i didn't know how he still alive after i killed him "

which means madara already trolled him and ( his fans lol )

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[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

i just found this after reading ur thread !

great found now this explain the whole thing and he can say this is FACT not a theory since hashirama's statement when he said " i didn't know how he still alive after i killed him "

which means madara already trolled him and ( his fans lol )

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Precisely! Madara acquired what he wanted: Hashi's DNA, sparing Hashi's life paralleling Sasuke and Naruto in VotE

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

Yes very peculiar indeed


Who would've been present besides Hashi and Madz? And perhaps the wounding is needed to transplant and cultivate Hashi's cells.

Who you ask...? Great question... That's why I wrote a thread about it earlier today:

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No one in the village sided with Madara at this time. That's why it was... Black zetsu. But it wasn't any form of genjutsu--Madara obviously had the stab wound from the fight dude.