Prince Charles
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most likely hiruzen.
I dont see how tobirama is, without him the leaf would have no laws or education system
I dont see how tobirama is, without him the leaf would have no laws or education system
Who's the worst hokage?
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I take it back, it's clearly Hizuren. He literally did nothing to stop the massacre, didn't stop the gross prejudice against Uchiha or the Hyuuga Brach family, let Orochimaru walk scoot free when he killed many young ninja, and that along is enough to make him hold this title.
I think your being a little unfair to Hiruzen.
Yes he Failed to stop Oro because of his own personal feelings, But Didn't Hashirama also fail to kill Madara when tobirama told him to?. Plus Oro never destoryed the village, Both Him and his Forces got their asses kicked.
He was trying to prevent the uchiha's from being killed, he himself said he wanted to use words not force. But deep down i think he knew it was already to late to stop the uchiha's, most likely why he never tried to stop Danzo nor punished him for making itachi do such a thing. Even danzo said he would've acted when the time came, His first priority was always the village.
He had two choices, Save Neji's father and Cause a War killing far more people, or sacrifice one man to prevent a war, What is the best choice out of those two?.
You also say he did nothing for the leaf?, He saw it through Two shinobi wars, He Protected it for his entire reign and Help it grow after Hashi/Tobirama died, He saved it from Oro, He was the most beloved Hokage if he was so bad the leafs people wouldn't of liked him so much.
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Agreed. Not to mention he was danzos little bitch, like seriously danzo did all the talking for him when it came to tough situations like the uchiha massacre.
hiruzen is clearly the worst hokage.
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Doesn't matter, she's still supposed to take care of him, she doesn't even need to kill him. That's the law.
I forgot about Hiruzen's blunder, maybe I should change my pick to Hiruzen..its between him or Tsunade.
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The term figurehead should apply explicitly to him. Two Clans were being prejudiced against; one was slaughtered through Danzo's decision, and the other lost a branch head member. I don't know how worse can it get. If a leader cannot even safeguard his people or grant them equality, he's useless. He didn't even engage in proper dialogues and just let situations take course. My God, the more I think about this, the worse this guy seems.
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Well if Hashirama let Madara at VOTE then no. If you're talking about Madara leaving after the village was formed, then yes.
He didnt commit any crimes or threaten to come back and destroy the village when he left(just like Sasuke)
Madara didn't exactly leave the village in good terms either.
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I do enjoy how People blame Hiruzen for Oro, Yet completely overlook the Threat that madara currently is to the shinobi world simply because Hashirama failed to kill him due to his own personal feelings, Just like Hiruzen with Oro.
Tsunade did not let Sasuke roam free. She gave Shikimaru's his first assignment - to chase the Sound Four that "abducted" Sasuke, and we all know what happened from there. Your point saying Katsuya was useless during Pain's attack on the leaf village just doesn't make sense at all. There was no way Tsunade could predict that Nagato would revive everyone at the end. As the Fifth Hokage, she had to do something to minimise the damage of Shinra Tensei. If she didn't summon Katsuya and Nagato didn't revive everyone, more lives would have been lost. She had to do something at least - it is her duty to do whatever she can to protect Konoha and its people. I actually think Tsunade is a great Hokage in terms of leadership and skills. She made Lee a ninja again after the terrible injury he suffered which conveys the excellent medical skills she has, and she played a role in persuading Ay to let Naruto and Bee join the war which demonstrates the good independent decisions she can make as a leader.
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Madara left the village. Orochimaru escaped the village as a criminal after committing countless murders and promising to come back and destroy the village. Madara made no only said he'll enjoy fighting Hashirama. If Hashirama did let him go at VOTE, then yea he'll definitely be in the same boat as Hiruzen.
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comparing Oro to Madara is like comparing the Demons to a criminal.
Oro killed Konoha ninja, Madara made a truce with the Senju. But Tobirama had no trust in the Uchiha, Madara had full trust in the Senju.
When Madara tried to attack Konoha, he was put down. Hiruzen however stood still and let Orochimaru go. Trying to compare to different situations is a flaw.
- Sasuke was not a missing nin for a reason. He was said to be "Abducted" by Orochimaru. Also, his goal was Itachi Uchiha so in either way it was beneficial to Naruto.
- She sent him on missions she knew he would be able to complete. Shes the reason he is OP
- It saved people like Shikaku and etc. It showed her prowess. And wasn't any troll by Nagato. Nagato had to kill himself to revive the others.
- Tobirama died away from home, Minato had 90% of konoha ninja helping him, Hiruzen saved the village with the help of Jiraiya, Naruto, Kakashi and everyone else. TSUNADE WAS SCREWED OVER BY DANZO...... And also, when did Hiruzen take on someone who can instantly pulverize the village?
Pain's attack was the worst attack on Konoha. (Madara's battle was outside the village)
No if Hashirama lets Madara go right now..... then he would be on the same boat as Hiruzen.
Madara was stopped when he "tried" to attack the village. Hashirama did his job. Madara had not killed any konoha ninja even then.
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Oro declared he would be back and that he would destroy the leaf. He also guilty of illegal experimentation before he fled yet Hiruzen let him go. Madara wasn't guilty of anything nor did he pledge to come back and destroy the village or harm anyone in it. What you are doing is basing this off of Madara's later actions which Hashirama had no way of knowing would happen, especially considering the fact that Madara never openly stated his agenda, when Madara came back threatening to destroy the leaf Hashirama took responsibility and fought him and beat him. (Hashirama thought he had finished him off though)
He didnt know Madara would go on to try and take over the Shinobi world but Hiruzen knew Oro would come back soon enough and try to exact his revenge.
Madara saying He will enjoy fighting Hashirama isn't him leaving on good terms though, be it he didn't leave the village a criminal, Saying he will Enjoy fighting him which could of meant various things, Since he intented to fight hashirama, How was he going to Cause the fight, By attacking/Endangering the village, or showing up one day and saying "wanna fight"?.
The moment Madara said he would enjoy fighting him is the moment Hashirama should've started to consider the possibility of him becoming a future threat.
Even at the VOTE he failed to kill him, This was also a Huge blunder by him.
Madara obviously didn't trust the senju hence why he Ask his clan to leave the village and why he left himself.
Hiruzen also took responsibility and Dealt with Oro when the time came. He took away him arms thus removing him as a threat to the village.
As i stated in my above post, Madara didn't leave on Good ground with the leaf, For hashirama to think madara would not a future threat was naive of him.
You don't say "i will enjoy fighting with you" while Giving them an Evil look to a Villages Kage and expect to be considered not a threat.
I don't think Tsunade is the worst hokage just because of the pain attack i can't think of a hokage who could deflect the almighty push, and her healing was effective, for those who were still alive but ofcourse the ones who were dead couldn't be healed so nagato helped out there, i think that was just so kakashi could be brought back cuz everyone else was nameless ohh and shizune as well.
She has made a bad decision yes, but each hokage has. As for her abilities i think she is worthy, i don't think having a few mid/long range techniques would do much for her strength.
She has made a bad decision yes, but each hokage has. As for her abilities i think she is worthy, i don't think having a few mid/long range techniques would do much for her strength.
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