Deidara > Minato

[Hashirama Senjuu]

He either speed blitz or summon and army of toads. Either way deidara has no chance.

Does not matter how many toads, c4 will kill them all. And Minato has only shown to summon gamabunta.

 

[Strawberry]

What if deidara causes an explosion at a kunai that minato just teleported too would that kill him idk...?

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Yes but a kunai isn't faster than deidara. Deidara is almost always flying as well. Deidara would notice buntas big ass shadow as well. I also doubt he would go to his dragon. He has no reason to.

I know it isn't faster than Deidara, but even if he dodges it, Minato will appear when the kunai is, closing all the distance between himself and Deidara. By then, they'd only be a couple of feet away from each other, allowing Minato to capitalize. Yes, but Diedara doesn't begin flying, does he? Like I said, if Deidara can execute C4, he wins. But, he's been shown to size up his opponents using his explosives in numerical order, whereas Minato has a knack for ending fights quickly.

Concerning Bunta, you're wrong. Kuchiyose is a form of S/T, meaning it happens instantly. Deidara won't be able to react to anything, unless he's in continuous movement.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

What if deidara causes an explosion at a kunai that minato just teleported too would that kill him idk...?

lol, lots of people forget the fact that deidara can block kunais with explosives.

 

[TrollingSage]

ima ignore that you ever said that.. Smh

Ofc you would, seeing as you have no counter for that.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

I know it isn't faster than Deidara, but even if he dodges it, Minato will appear when the kunai is, closing all the distance between himself and Deidara. By then, they'd only be a couple of feet away from each other, allowing Minato to capitalize. Yes, but Diedara doesn't begin flying, does he? Like I said, if Deidara can execute C4, he wins. But, he's been shown to size up his opponents using his explosives in numerical order, whereas Minato has a knack for ending fights quickly.

Concerning Bunta, you're wrong. Kuchiyose is a form of S/T, meaning it happens instantly. Deidara won't be able to react to anything, unless he's in continuous movement.

Deidara also likes to use clay clones. So if Minato does get close and hits a clay clone.. Yikes. Also he can use explosives to intercept the kunais aswell. This battle is full of possibilities... Its just that imo deidara is more likely to win.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Deidara also likes to use clay clones. So if Minato does get close and hits a clay clone.. Yikes. Also he can use explosives to intercept the kunais aswell. This battle is full of possibilities... Its just that imo deidara is more likely to win.

I understand where you're coming from. But, why would Deidara waste his clay on Kunai's he can simply "evade"? Deidara having no info on Minato's FTG may be his downfall. A clay clone is a maybe, he only used that because he saw through Sasuke. I do agree when you say it's a battle of possibilities. My input though, if Deidara doesn't waste time and goes straight for C4, he wins. If he decides to size up Minato and waste time, he'd be making a big mistake.

 

[SeriousDogg]

I just reported you. Now stop polluting my thread with your crap.

me too now you can keep trolling

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

I understand where you're coming from. But, why would Deidara waste his clay on Kunai's he can simply "evade"? Deidara having no info on Minato's FTG may be his downfall. A clay clone is a maybe, he only used that because he saw through Sasuke. I do agree when you say it's a battle of possibilities. My input though, if Deidara doesn't waste time and goes straight for C4, he wins. If he decides to size up Minato and waste time, he'd be making a big mistake.

Ok, im jw, do you think deidara knows about Minato? I'm not sure. But if he does than I mean, well you see where im going lol xD.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Ok, im jw, do you think deidara knows about Minato? I'm not sure. But if he does than I mean, well you see where im going lol xD.

Lawl, nah, I don't think he knows about Minato. Why would he? Two completely different generations, from different villages. I'm sure he's heard of him, but he'd surely no nothing of his jutsu. After all, it was Iwa who had flee on sight orders issued against Minato

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Lawl, nah, I don't think he knows about Minato. Why would he? Two completely different generations, from different villages. I'm sure he's heard of him, but he'd surely no nothing of his jutsu. After all, it was Iwa who had flee on sight orders issued against Minato

oh ok, makes sense, thanks man

 

[Momo86]

Holy crap dude, are you saying if he didn't know minatos abilities that he would dodge a kunai??.

Quick aside note, you are conveniently changing what you said OR you just forgot how Flying Raijin works. Deidara CAN and WILL dodge a Kunai even if he don't even know who the heck is throwing it. But, with Flying Raijin, doding doesn't matter - Minato appears beside you and can pull a Rasengan, another Flying Raijin or whatever. What you said before was that Deidara hits the kunai with a small bomb which in that case WOULD be a solution, but Deidara would opt to destroy the kunai only if he KNOWS that the Flying Raijin is coming. Otherwise he'd just unwittingly find himself with Minato above him and possibly take a Rasengan to the face. Now, my point was, why assume that Deidara knows what Minato can do and not vice versa?

Now, with the little note closed, you pratically ignored my whole post. I am trying to say that depicting random scenarios of guy A vs guy B isn't goint to work with Naruto. In Naruto there are many factors that come into play to just say who would win in a "vacuum". Scenarios in a vacuum between two character means little, and they just mean nothing when the two 1) never crossed paths 2) have comparable power levels 3) have two very different ways of fighting.

And hypothizing in general, is an hard thing to do with Naruto. For instance I could say "Gaara would have won if the fight with Deidara didn't take place above the village"; anyone could then answer "yes but Deidara would have hit harder if he wasn't trying to capture Gaara alive"; reply: "if he tried to kill Gaara, that would trigger Shukaku coming out and can Deidara solo a tailed beast as Shukaku?"; hypothesis: "Yes, because C4 Garuda would just disintegrate Shukaku"; objection: "I'm not sure it can disintegrate a body that's made with sand"................ and it goes on forever. We could throw as many ideas as we want in such a debate without coming to an undisputable conclusion.

Another try: Tenten vs Sasori. Tenten throws her barrage of tools, Sasori reacts the most obviously, shielding himself in anti-tool magnetic sand cocoon, while he is surroundend by his own iron sand (= cannot see) Tenten uses her dragonfire scroll she used once in the anime and cooks Sasori taking advantage of his own just-created iron sand ball which becomes like an oven. See? Did I demonstrate that Tenten beats Sasori? No, I just made a random scenario that COULD happen, if Tenten knew exactly what to do, Sasori did as she expected, Sasori knew nothing about her powers, Sasori didn't attack first, etc etc etc.... it just demonstrates nothing.

Shikamaru beating Hidan would be a scenario of pure fantasy if there weren't a lot of other factors that came into play.

You are saying that Deidara beats Minato. It does under the conditions you dictated. But there's no way to determine if the conditions would verify or not, so what's the point of assuming them? And how can you surely, positively say who would win between the two? Simple: you cannot.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Quick aside note, you are conveniently changing what you said OR you just forgot how Flying Raijin works. Deidara CAN and WILL dodge a Kunai even if he don't even know who the heck is throwing it. But, with Flying Raijin, doding doesn't matter - Minato appears beside you and can pull a Rasengan, another Flying Raijin or whatever. What you said before was that Deidara hits the kunai with a small bomb which in that case WOULD be a solution, but Deidara would opt to destroy the kunai only if he KNOWS that the Flying Raijin is coming. Otherwise he'd just unwittingly find himself with Minato above him and possibly take a Rasengan to the face. Now, my point was, why assume that Deidara knows what Minato can do and not vice versa?

Now, with the little note closed, you pratically ignored my whole post. I am trying to say that depicting random scenarios of guy A vs guy B isn't goint to work with Naruto. In Naruto there are many factors that come into play to just say who would win in a "vacuum". Scenarios in a vacuum between two character means little, and they just mean nothing when the two 1) never crossed paths 2) have comparable power levels 3) have two very different ways of fighting.

And hypothizing in general, is an hard thing to do with Naruto. For instance I could say "Gaara would have won if the fight with Deidara didn't take place above the village"; anyone could then answer "yes but Deidara would have hit harder if he wasn't trying to capture Gaara alive"; reply: "if he tried to kill Gaara, that would trigger Shukaku coming out and can Deidara solo a tailed beast as Shukaku?"; hypothesis: "Yes, because C4 Garuda would just disintegrate Shukaku"; objection: "I'm not sure it can disintegrate a body that's made with sand"................ and it goes on forever. We could throw as many ideas as we want in such a debate without coming to an undisputable conclusion.

Another try: Tenten vs Sasori. Tenten throws her barrage of tools, Sasori reacts the most obviously, shielding himself in anti-tool magnetic sand cocoon, while he is surroundend by his own iron sand (= cannot see) Tenten uses her dragonfire scroll she used once in the anime and cooks Sasori taking advantage of his own just-created iron sand ball which becomes like an oven. See? Did I demonstrate that Tenten beats Sasori? No, I just made a random scenario that COULD happen, if Tenten knew exactly what to do, Sasori did as she expected, Sasori knew nothing about her powers, Sasori didn't attack first, etc etc etc.... it just demonstrates nothing.

Shikamaru beating Hidan would be a scenario of pure fantasy if there weren't a lot of other factors that came into play.

You are saying that Deidara beats Minato. It does under the conditions you dictated. But there's no way to determine if the conditions would verify or not, so what's the point of assuming them? And how can you surely, positively say who would win between the two? Simple: you cannot.

Ok we will give them both full knowledge of eachother. In this case you can refer back to my OP, deidara wins

 

[Momo86]

Ok we will give them both full knowledge of eachother. In this case you can refer back to my OP, deidara wins

Ok, so here's another assumption for free. Considering people fight, die, dissect corpses, eat corpses, all to avoid the opponents know about secret jutsu, that both would know all aboput the other is one HUGE assumption but whatever, Let's also assume neither is going to ambush the other (so no, Deidara isn't flying). And let's also assume that neither one has a power we haven't seen.

Now, Minato knows of c4 Garuda and Deidara knows of Flying Raijin. Either they go for the option to take and keep distance from each other and study a better solution (like Deidara did with Kakashi and Naruto) or they go straight one at the other with the strongest jutsu they have hoping to kill the other before he completes his. The first scenario is too unpredictable so let's make a fourth assumption, that they chose to take the second route.

(in case you haven't noticed, after four assumptions this reasoning has lost any meaning, but let's put this aside)

Minato attacks with Flying Raijin Lv2 and Deidara with C4 Garuda. I remember that Garuda has a marginally slower set up than Flying Raijin Lv2, so Deidara takes a Rasengan to the head before finishing the C4 Garuda clone.

But, since Deidara isn't that idiot, he would never do something so idiotic as to start a slow set up jutsu against an opponent. He's quite smart so I'm thinking the fourth assumption cannot be true. He would distance Minato trying to gain time with smaller bombs while setting up the C4.

In that case, if Minato knows the C4 (and you are assuming he does) he would either try to kill Deidara with Flying Raijin Lv2 BEFORE he takes flight, or just keep the furthest distance possible from Deidara to avoid breathing the C4 Garuda. Assuming he makes the wrong choice at some point (example: tries to summon Gamabunta, a jutsu that is probably slower than C4) he dies disintegrated.

Now let's assume that Minato CANNOT kill Deidara before he takes the flight, because his kunai miss/are intercepted. In that case if, while Deidara takes his time in the air to set up the C4, Minato keeps him busy as well with kunai, Deidara has to blow up all the kunai to avoid a chain reaction that would make him lose. In which case is a battle of attrition between who finishes first the kunai, the clay, or chakra. I'm assuming Minato would finish the kunai before Deidara finishes the clay. In which case, either he increases their distances again, or he dies disintegrated by the C4, again.

That is, assuming Deidara can intercept ALL of the kunais Minato throws.

You can tell me how many assumptions you want me to throw in before accepting that this is pointless.

 

[Booker]

Minato can win. If he throws multiple kunai all around Deidara, Deidara has no clue which one he'll FTG to.

 

[Momo86]

Minato can win. If he throws multiple kunai all around Deidara, Deidara has no clue which one he'll FTG to.

Deidara can win just as well.

 

[ajpn920]

LOL..Not this issue again. It was already proven that distance is not a problem for Minato

To the THREAD MAKER. Stop spouting nonsense. This will help refresh your memory

Spoiler

We are now in chapter 618 and still many people can't get it right. It could be that they are just haters or closed minded. What i'm talking about? Well, it's just that they are underrating Minato's arsenal in terms of battle. One example is that he can't beat Deidara because he can't reach him. This is really crazy because this is not true. It was already proven in the manga yet many tried to ignore it.

I will directly give the solution to this type of problem. To refresh each and everyone's memory, Minato can do this:

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Remember now? The jutsu is the Food Cart Destroyer Technique. This is a technique that takes full advantage of a giant toads body mass. Meaning, the summon can be performed in an instant right above the target to utilize the toads body mass. That is the purpose of the technique. No matter how far Deidara is as long as Minato can see him, Minato will appear on top of him when using food cart destroyer.

The famous C4 used by many. Lets see if this is really effective against Minato.

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Watch the scan closely. What did Deidara do to create C4 or any of his bombs? Wait, is that him chewing his clay and making hand seals? Do you think that chewing clay to create bombs is faster than the food cart destroyer? Food cart destroyer is a SUMMONINGtechnique and a summoning technique is a space–time ninjutsu that allows the summoner to transport animals or people across long distances instantly.

Now, what in Deidara's arsenal again that can harm Minato? Don't tell me his bombs because Minato can always appear on top of him thus making his bombs useless. Why useless? I'll answer this by asking a question. Why was he not affected by the C4's blast? Why will Minato be affected if he will land on top of him? And what's the use of Minato's space time barrier??

NOTE: This is just a counter for any flying opponents. No need to list Minato's full arsenal.

BONUS PART: Minato can throw a shuriken or a kunai faster than a speedy young kakashi with raikiri. Here you can see that Kakashi with raikiri is moving ahead towards the enemy but to my surprise, Minato's shuriken was able to deflect the kunais thrown towards Kakashi. I wonder if anyone can dodge Minato's kunai easily...

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[Hashirama Senjuu]

LOL..Not this issue again. It was already proven that distance is not a problem for Minato

To the THREAD MAKER. Stop spouting nonsense. This will help refresh your memory

I dont get your point? If you think deidara is dumb enough to get close to gamabunta then there's something wrong with you.

 

[Hoshi]

I don't think so.... It's just his speed > explosion

 

[iRefleX]

Deidara>Sasuke>Minato

Sasuke killed Deidara you comment is invalid. /facepalm so ****ing hard i break my nose