(DrProof) The Rinnegan's Genjutsu

[OnPoint]

True. But isn't that what Genjutsu does? It distorts the users senses? The chakra rods in which are transmitting Nagato's chakra into his opponents chakra network is no doubt causing them problems with their senses: Kakashi had trouble pinpointing Nagato's Deva Path. I actually refute my previous point saying Kakashi was being controlled because look:

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The Deva Path moved his head a inches away from Kakashi's Raikiri. If Nagato could control Kakashi with his chakra wouldn't he have just pushed Kakashi so many yards away?

Perhaps its effects somewhat mirror your typical Genjutsu, but it doesn't behave in exactly the same way. I doubt it's something you could 'see through' with the Sharingan or dispel via Genjutsu Kai. The sudden blast of chakra was enough to stun Kakashi long enough for him to lose focus and miss Tendō's head. Can Nagato alter the image which the foe sees? I doubt it. Again, I just see it more as a way of showing how Nagato's chakra can mess with the flow of others' via those rods.

 

[Detective L]

Interesting read,as it is the evolved form of the sharingan,it must be better or atleast have genjustu.And your theory gives us proof of that.

 

[DrProof]

The fact that he uses the same chakra rods as he uses within his own path's bodies to distort the enemy chakra and control their movements, i conclude that it clearly does not distort the senses, as that would have no effect pertaining to movement in dead bodies.

Perhaps its effects somewhat mirror your typical Genjutsu, but it doesn't behave in exactly the same way. I doubt it's something you could 'see through' with the Sharingan or dispel via Genjutsu Kai. The sudden blast of chakra was enough to stun Kakashi long enough for him to lose focus and miss Tendō's head. Can Nagato alter the image which the foe sees? I doubt it. Again, I just see it more as a way of showing how Nagato's chakra can mess with the flow of others' via those rods.

You both very well could be correct. I guess it's just a matter of perception.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Most likely, although the symptoms nonetheless were similar to a regular Genjutsu were they not? This may very well be a Pseudo Genjutsu (in this scenario anyhow).

Well genjustu subdues one's mind and takes control of chakra flow and system.
With chakra rod u can overpower chakra flow of target and maybe even control it but it will be less effective since chakra of the target will still pose resistance.

Both exploit chakra flow, but one isnt genjutsu.

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

I had my doubts coming in. I thought you were going to leave something out like I have seen in other threads lately. I shouldn't have doubted you.

Excellent thread. I never actually thought of the receiver as genjutsu based. It fits perfectly into the definition.

 

[The Necromancer]

Thanks anyhow. You better read it!

True. But isn't that what Genjutsu does? It distorts the users senses? The chakra rods in which are transmitting Nagato's chakra into his opponents chakra network is no doubt causing them problems with their senses: Kakashi had trouble pinpointing Nagato's Deva Path. I actually refute my previous point saying Kakashi was being controlled because look:

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The Deva Path moved his head a inches away from Kakashi's Raikiri. If Nagato could control Kakashi with his chakra wouldn't he have just pushed Kakashi so many yards away?



I said I had your back bro remember.

The fact that he only managed to move kakashi's raikiri a few inches is due to his lack of proximity to kakashi himself. Nagato was impressed that naruto was able to resist his rod's control at such a close distance when face to face with naruto, implying that his level of control is directly correlated to his distance from the target, the same way radio frequencies become stronger or weaker when moved closer or further from one another.

 

[DrProof]

ALL of the homo i love this thread

Lol. The homo is strong within this thread.

Great theory I agree with everything you said and it only makes sense that the Rinnegan can use genjutsu considering it's the ultimate dojutsu.

I mean technically it should make sense correct?

The Byakugan was said to be the devolved version of the Sharingan correct? Then the Sharingan was said to be the devolved version of the Rinnegan.. Put this together:

Byakugan: Taijutsu
Sharingan: Genjutsu
Rinnegan: Ninjutsu

Byakugan → Sharingan: Taijutsu & Genjutsu
Sharingan → Rinnegan: Genjutsu, & Ninjutsu

 

[Medical Sage Tsunade]

Was this really necessary like who didnt know this

 

[rollin]

i agree as well
the rinnegan comes with all six nature types that includes genjutsu

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and if this helps nagato saw the dynamics of how kotoamatsukami works

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[DrProof]

Well genjustu subdues one's mind and takes control of chakra flow and system.
With chakra rod u can overpower chakra flow of target and maybe even control it but it will be less effective since chakra of the target will still pose resistance.

Both exploit chakra flow, but one isnt genjutsu.

How can you say that the other is not Genjutsu when they have the same symptoms?

I had my doubts coming in. I thought you were going to leave something out like I have seen in other threads lately. I shouldn't have doubted you.

Excellent thread. I never actually thought of the receiver as genjutsu based. It fits perfectly into the definition.

Thanks Q. I am glad I could impress you with this thread, as I know you're an Sharingan/Uchiha expert.

The fact that he only managed to move kakashi's raikiri a few inches is due to his lack of proximity to kakashi himself. Nagato was impressed that naruto was able to resist his rod's control at such a close distance when face to face with naruto, implying that his level of control is directly correlated to his distance from the target, the same way radio frequencies become stronger or weaker when moved closer or further from one another.

Would you mind linking the scan please? So I can elaborate more on this.

 

[DrProof]

Was this really necessary like who didnt know this

Get out.

i agree as well
the rinnegan comes with all six nature types that includes genjutsu

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and if this helps nagato saw the dynamics of how kotoamatsukami works

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Correct. Nagato did posses all SIX TYPES of Natures. Will be adding this to the OP.

 

[The Necromancer]

How can you say that the other is not Genjutsu when they have the same symptoms?

Thanks Q. I am glad I could impress you with this thread, as I know you're an Sharingan/Uchiha expert.


Would you mind linking the scan please? So I can elaborate more on this.

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Also notice the silhouette of kurama's eye when nagato inserts his rod into naruto. It's not a genjutsu but just the visual representation of a foreign power overcoming their own.

 

[Retsu]

Great thread, I made a similar 1 stating that while people claim nagato's weakness is genjutsu, due to rinnegan he's actually more resistant to it than most. And I even said he may have been adept with it due to his mastery of yin release as well. I pretty much covered the most problematic genjutsu's, mostly, including the trollkage's clam mirage, and tsukiyomi. It would have been cool if you could have backed me up when all the haters came through, if you get a chance you should check it out.

 

[DrProof]

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Also notice the silhouette of kurama's eye when nagato inserts his rod into naruto. It's not a genjutsu but just the visual representation of a foreign power overcoming their own.

Point taken. However, why was it that an illusion based appearance showed up when Kakashi struck at Nagato? Why were the symptoms similar to a regular Genjutsu based technique?

Great thread, I made a similar 1 stating that while people claim nagato's weakness is genjutsu, due to rinnegan he's actually more resistant to it than most. And I even said he may have been adept with it due to his mastery of yin release as well. I pretty much covered the most problematic genjutsu's, mostly, including the trollkage's clam mirage, and tsukiyomi. It would have been cool if you could have backed me up when all the haters came through, if you get a chance you should check it out.

I will check it out. And thanks bud.

 

[Waltz]

From the looks of it, it only disrupts chakra flow. The scan showing his eyes above the opponent may just be an indication that their overall chakra flow is disrupted and not necessarily a visual illusion especially for the way it's depicted and the little time in which it happenes.

 

[The Necromancer]

Point taken. However, why was it that an illusion based appearance showed up when Kakashi struck at Nagato? Why were the symptoms similar to a regular Genjutsu based technique?

I will check it out. And thanks bud.

I assume it's because kakashi could feel a foreign chakra controling his actions, the same way the illusion based appearance showed up when nagato attacked naruto, except it was the kyuubi using its chakra against him instead.

 

[DrProof]

From the looks of it, it only disrupts chakra flow. The scan showing his eyes above the opponent may just be an indication that their overall chakra flow is disrupted and not necessarily a visual illusion especially for the way it's depicted and the little time in which it happenes.

More than likely. Also explain this:

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If the Rinnegan allows the user to learn all six types of nature, why wouldn't Genjutsu be a factor here? Couldn't the rods be used for other purposes?

 

[Medical Sage Tsunade]

Missy little proof give me a neg rep because my opinion how mature lmao

 

[DrProof]

Missy little proof give me a neg rep because my opinion how mature lmao

Cool story bro. Now use the back button.

 

[Aertes]

I've seen multiple people claim that the Rinnegan didn't possess some form of Genjutsu. If you can find those scans I'd Plus rep you no doubt, along with it being a great contribution to this thread.

Ok,ok here,here:

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Here Jman says his chakra flow is going crazy and we see the projection's of the eyes (we only see the eyes and not the whole body of the path,like when Itachi used genjutsu's that there was a projection of his eyes).

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Kakashi is obviously using genjutsu on Zabuza to make a projection of himself next to Kakashi so that he thinks that Kakashi entered his mind.Not exactly the same with rinnegan's tech.,but the projection thing look alike!