DerpObito, Uzumaki theory Refuted

[Professor Finesser]

Hi guys, DerpObito a respected member has come up with a Uzumaki theory claiming that they are the SO6P's clan.

I would like to refute his 3 ideas on why they are Sage's original clan:
- Uzumaki dress like the SO6P
- The symbols , their spiral
- Seals



Uzumaki dress like the SO6P

Your claim is that they dress like Monks out of the big 3. However, your highly wrong... Uchiha actually are the ones who dress like Monks on a normal basis.. while the Uzumaki are like their cousin clan, the Senju wear armors in time of battle and etc.

Also, you talked about their posture of standing.. and how the folding of arms is related to the Buddha or w.e. However, that is a false claim made by you. That posture is a normal posture taken by any normal people. It has no special value in the manga, unless proven otherwise.

The symbols, their spiral

You talked about their Spiral relating to the "So6P's" painting or w.e the statue was. However, you are highly wrong.. their spiral represents their country name "Land of whirlpools". Nothing more. The spirals on that statue are more closer to Sasuke's new Amaterasu and Susano'o combination.

Seals
They specialized in seals. However, that does not mean they were the only ones. They are the SO6P's descendants through the Senju lineage, therefore it only makes sense that they specialize in something the SO6P did.. nowhere is it stated the SO6P specialized in seals. He USED seals, but not specialize in them.


So please provide a good argument, DerpObito, and also, I have seen you use non-canonical translations from "translators" of your own in arguments.. Please do not use those, because that means that you need twisting of the canon stuff to prove your point. Thank you


IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER UZUMAKI THEORY SUPPORTERS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO COUNTER ME.

Nobody should have to waste their time counter arguing you, your facts where not well gathered and seeing the way you refer to SirDerpObito and talk to him I might even say this whole thing is biased... Your argument = Invalid

 

[Kronnic]

Hi guys, DerpObito a respected member has come up with a Uzumaki theory claiming that they are the SO6P's clan.

I would like to refute his 3 ideas on why they are Sage's original clan:
- Uzumaki dress like the SO6P
- The symbols , their spiral
- Seals



Uzumaki dress like the SO6P

Your claim is that they dress like Monks out of the big 3. However, your highly wrong... Uchiha actually are the ones who dress like Monks on a normal basis.. while the Uzumaki are like their cousin clan, the Senju wear armors in time of battle and etc.

Also, you talked about their posture of standing.. and how the folding of arms is related to the Buddha or w.e. However, that is a false claim made by you. That posture is a normal posture taken by any normal people. It has no special value in the manga, unless proven otherwise.

The symbols, their spiral

You talked about their Spiral relating to the "So6P's" painting or w.e the statue was. However, you are highly wrong.. their spiral represents their country name "Land of whirlpools". Nothing more. The spirals on that statue are more closer to Sasuke's new Amaterasu and Susano'o combination.

Seals
They specialized in seals. However, that does not mean they were the only ones. They are the SO6P's descendants through the Senju lineage, therefore it only makes sense that they specialize in something the SO6P did.. nowhere is it stated the SO6P specialized in seals. He USED seals, but not specialize in them.


So please provide a good argument, DerpObito, and also, I have seen you use non-canonical translations from "translators" of your own in arguments.. Please do not use those, because that means that you need twisting of the canon stuff to prove your point. Thank you


IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER UZUMAKI THEORY SUPPORTERS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO COUNTER ME.

Ha Ha.. I do not need any points to tell you STFU.. Bro, you are dumber than a rock..
Derp has points to support his theories and what do you have? Nothing!!! Try again when you have valid points bro!!!
Derp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>U
I give props where props is due and the guy has brilliant theories so enough with the hate.

 

[Aenigma]

The downside to Sir Derp Obito's theories is the music.
Turn off.

Agree lol. Mostly because I'm already listening to music and then suddenly new music and I'm like: wtf?

Derp and his fans are now spamming the thread some more.I'm done the debates never gonna happen.

I did try to debate...

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Ha Ha.. I do not need any points to tell you STFU.. Bro, you are dumber than a rock..
Derp has points to support his theories and what do you have? Nothing!!! Try again when you have valid points bro!!!
Derp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>U
I give props where props is due and the guy has brilliant theories so enough with the hate.

Thanks

Psssttt... the OP LordRevan is KingHashirama in disguise as an alt account

 

[Micho22]

Lord Revan atleast keep your honor and say who you really are admit it and answer
Like others said already it has been proven with all the hints in the manga that the sage was an uzumaki

 

[l Forgotten l]

The downside to Sir Derp Obito's theories is the music.
Turn off.

wy should you be turned off, were we suppose to be turned on?
I dont have a switch!!! :nuts:

 

[Invsblphntm]

Since ya boy Revan isn't responding:

Uzumaki are known for sealing.

Uzumaki are known for being the only suitable jinchuriki of the strongest current bijuu.

Wouldn't it make sense for Rikudo Senin to be an Uzumaki seeing as he SEALED the STRONGEST BIJUU in his body?

I mean come on man, its just common sense...

 

[SilverSlick]

Nobody should have to waste their time counter arguing you, your facts where not well gathered and seeing the way you refer to SirDerpObito and talk to him I might even say this whole thing is biased... Your argument = Invalid

He starts off by calling him a respected member of the base and a few post later, Derp calls him an idiot.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

He starts off by calling him a respected member of the base and a few post later, Derp calls him an idiot.

all I know is his real account KingHashirama is a zealous and vitriolic Senju fanboy

 

[Fecal Matter]

I did try to debate...

I enjoyed reading that actually.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Anyways, I've already refuted his claims and I've already exposed his deception (LordRevan = KingHashirama alt account) so there's nothing more to be said I think. Lol

 

[bigfatloser]

King hashi is going to need an alt for his alt

 

[Professor Finesser]

He starts off by calling him a respected member of the base and a few post later, Derp calls him an idiot.

Just because he called him a respected member of the base does not mean he is individually showing him respect, I could say that Hitler was a respected member of the nazi party but that doesent mean I respect him.

 

[SilverSlick]

Just because he called him a respected member of the base does not mean he is individually showing him respect, I could say that Hitler was a respected member of the nazi party but that doesent mean I respect him.

Bro, you're ignoring Derp Obito and his posse bashing him first for no other reason than him actually disagreeing with Derp. At that time, Derp showed no indication that he knew who Revan was.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

King hashi is going to need an alt for his alt

Altception lol Lol

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

I hope this thread has let everyone know, that Derp Obito is a twat

 

[FoxSikes]

Yet, even you don't provide any example, or counters to what I stated. You don't need a text of wall, to make a arguement.. and "Negating" is part of a debate.

Then your post is a fail, reread the thread, and actually see what your suppose to post about. You provide no evidence of how I am wrong, you claim i am wrong, with your pathetic post with no evidence. And hence making your self look like a fool.

Cause its your theory, I was hoping for a good argument.. but all I got was trolls, who apparently like fanboying you.

Yet your person, has provided no counter to I stated. Also, do you know what a counter argument is? Or were you looking for a thread that repeated stuff over and over, and connecting random pictures together?

Just lost all the respect I had for you, due to your nice theories. Why are you on this thread, if your not gonna give a counter to what i stated.

Truthfully , your respect is worth just as much as the
Contents of my toilet bowl in the morning . In fact , I would rather get respected by my own shit then get respect from
You. This thread sucks . Worse one over ever seen .

 

[LordRevan]

I'm not saying the spirals are nothing, but I'm just saying they could be. TBH this whole thread is a lot of "could be's", but moving on.

Thinking about, considering that the SO6P is the progenitor the Uchiha and the Senju, I think that seeing the spirals on the statue and then Sasuke's Ameterasu proves something, but if the evidence is taken the other way (and it could be, considering certain spirals on the statue look more like the Uzumaki symbol and some look more like Sasuke's Ameterasu. I'm not even gonna argue which of some quickly drawn spirals is correct at this point.) and Sage was an Uzumaki it doesn't really matter, because that would still make the Uchihas and the Senjus descendants of the Uzamakis. One thing I do agree with you on is that there needs to be more firm evidence. Derp can go very in depth and link many small things together and make them seem like a whole, but then again that is just one interpretation of certain small things that may or may not mean something. Even now like I've said before we're debating over trivial things.


I think the Uchiha not wearing a lot of armour in battle is due more to their fighting style than anything else. Anyway, I think this point of armour and clothing is stupid anyway, so moving on.



This is what I mostly disagree with you on. Hashirama is an example of what a Senju could be with full potential. But not all Senjus are Hashirama, obviously. Even his own brother Tobirama does not even come close to his level of power (as far as we know). Tobirama, the second strongest Senju, has not shown any sealing stuff either, and neither has any other members of the clan. They're said to be well versed in genjustu, ninjutsu, and taijutsu: the general ninja skills. To back this up, there's Hashi and Tobirama who are good at the first two things, and then Toka Senju who specialized in Genjutsu. It is never mentioned that there was anyone in the clan who specialized in fuinjutsu. Some, like Hashirama (who is just a jack of all trades lets be real), may have known it, although like I said there is really no evidence for this. The only clan really and undeiably stated to specialize in sealing is the Uzumakis. Again, a lot of Hashirama's power comes from that Scroll of Seals, however we still don't even know where that scroll comes from. It could be a Senju artifact, or it could be an Uzumaki thing. We just don't know, lol.

- That was my point, on the spirals. Using them to proof the theory of Uzumaki are the clan of the SO6P is not firm.
My point is from the whole point of view on the theory. Derp is trying to connect real life shinto people to the manga. The spiral like I said means only the representation of their homeland. It represents a "Whirlpool" if you look at it closely.

- Derp made his theory on the Uzumaki dressed alot like the SO6P, who he is comparing to a shinto priest. So I wanted to show him, that in the manga, Uchiha are the only ones who wore the same exact type/style of clothing as the SO6P

- I see what your trying to say. But you have to not the Senju were known as the "Clan of Thousand Skills". And Hashirama having in possession a scroll called "Scroll of Seals" in which he sealed away jutsus like Kage bunshin.. just provides that the Senju also know seals. How can you link the Uzumaki to the scroll, when the scroll's only connection lies with the First Hokage. Also, Toka was known for genjutsu prowess, of course. And Hashirama for Mokuton. But thats is just to those 2 shinobi. Tobirama is well rounded.

See these:

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They're Oni Masks

And do you know who wears them in ceremonial dances/rituals?

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Shinto priests Lol

Yet you haven't shown me Shinto people wearing Armor..... while the Uzumaki dressed exactly like the Senju clan.

We all know Naruto is based on shinto myths and gods. Uchiha's sacred techniques are all the name of gods.

 

[Honord Sage]

Nice.

-My point in bring sasuke's susano'o was to show that the closest resemblance to the statue spirals is that of Sasuke's amaterasu's/Susano'o technique. If you look closer the Amaterasu is not like the fire symbol you showed on Hinata. In fact it's end is on the side. And If the spirals are nothing, then it would just support me more. My point was to prove his theory wrong, or make him realize he needs more FIRM evidence.


- Yes I know of that Uchiha picture. But look at the Uchiha in the Senju vs Uchiha battle. Uchiha don't wear armor. And also, my mission was to negate Derp's point on them dressing like the SO6P and etc. Uzumaki only wear a SLIGHTER light armor.

- Hashirama Senju, represents the whole clan as their leader. The only way he can't be said to represent the Senju clan is for his Mokuton. Other then that, everything he is capable of doing can apply to the whole clan. Your assumption on Mito marrying to Hashirama and teaching him seals is highly doubtful, due to the fact that Hashirama already had a scroll before the founding of the Village. Minato learned from Kushina, because there were no Uzumaki around.. Hashirama was already skilled before the creation of the village and was hailed as the strongest.

- I only made the thread to argue against Derp about his theory. But he decided to troll instead.


Obito stated Naruto carries the will of the Senju. So your trying to make the Uzumaki important. Even though they are portrayed to be only important because they are related to the Senju.


However, that was not any manipulation.

Senju DNA + Uchiha DNA = Uzumaki, Nagato Uzumaki could use the Rinnegan without Senju or Uchiha DNA why? Because Uzumaki DNA is a complete strand of the SO6P DNA. Senju and Uchiha must combine their DNA to do the same.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Yet you haven't shown me Shinto people wearing Armor..... while the Uzumaki dressed exactly like the Senju clan.
We all know Naruto is based on shinto myths and gods. Uchiha's sacred techniques are all the name of gods.

Do Shinto priests live presently in a time of war? No i dont think so , lol, and didn't you ever wonder why the Shinigami masks were found in an Uzumaki Temple like the Shinto Temples irl? Its because the Uzumakis were priests like Shinto priests

Face it LordRevan aka KingHashirama The Uzumakis were a priestly clan, while your precious Senjus were not.

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