kakashi is top 10

[EZQ]

I think kakashi could defeat mei and tsunade at the same time yes

(he can use more than 2 kamuis for sure, and they're both too slow to avoid kamui)

But kakashi is not top 10, he's in my top 15/16 yes

 

[uncle sam]

No he isn't.

Hashirama
Madara
Obito
Nagato
Naruto
Kabuto
Sasuke
Itachi/Tobirama/Minato
Muu/Nidaime Mizukage
Sandaime Raikage

Everybody here would be able to take on 2-3 of the current Gokage and win, with Hashirama, who is #1, having been stated to make the Gokage's combined efforts look like nothing. Kakashi doesn't belong here.

That's the best top ten Ive ever seen

 

[uncle sam]

kakashi can warp apart of the water then warp tobiram through the holw which he did
kakashi can go under ground then get out front of tobirama then try to kamui him
man you can't consider tobiram stronger than kakashi(who has kamui,so many skills ,sharingan and ginjutus,rasingan,4 release,light jutsus ,gates,coping .....etc) just because his water and sinju
you say kakashi can't beat one from sinju ,tusonde is sinju !!!!!
thanks

In your first post you called izuna weak..now your debating whether kakashi can defeat tobirama smh..

 

[EZQ]

Tobirama > kakashi

Izuna BY FEATS is fodder

 

[Amaterasuice]

Haha, you went from saying he's top 5 to top ten. Maybe you'll eventually get to where Kakashi really is, top 25 at least, top 20 at best. XD

 

[uncle sam]

Characters that definetly defeat kakashi(in no particular order)

1.naruto
2.sasuke
3.madara
4.hasirama
5.nagato
6.dsm kabuto
7.orochimaru
8.j-man
9.itachi
10.tobirama senju
11.izuna uchiha
12.3rd raikage
13.killer bee
14.kisame
15.obito(wow!almost forgot him )
16.minato
17.hiruzen
People who have a very good chance of beating him(could go either way but more often he'd lose)

1.4th raikage
2.hanzo (by hype)
3.kakuzu
4.konan
5.gaara

Feel free to argue with me but that's a pretty generous list.

 

[EZQ]

Kakashi in this war arc has surpassed J-man IMO

Kisame RAPES kakashi in RAW power, but he can't counter kamui, he ins't faster than usual and he doesn't have S/T Jutsu

Izuna is fodder by feats, and he doesn't have hype.

Old hiruzen doesn't beat kakashi, and Prime hiruzen doesn't even exist as a character.

I agree with all the other shinobis you named, and you missed Muu

 

[uncle sam]

Kakashi in this war arc has surpassed J-man IMO

Kisame RAPES kakashi in RAW power, but he can't counter kamui, he ins't faster than usual and he doesn't have S/T Jutsu

Izuna is fodder by feats, and he doesn't have e.

Old hiruzen doesn't beat kakashi, and Prime hiruzen doesn't even exist as a character.

I agree with all the other shinobis you named, and you missed Muu

Hmm yes jiriyah in sage mode,imo is fast enough and has the precognitive skill to dodge it.outside of that is debatable.

One thing that a lot people fail to see is that kamui is a double edged sword.there are several counters to it and in the event it fails its a huge waste of chakra.kakashi knows this very well and that's why he doesn't overuse it.

Kamuis counters:
1.blocking line of vision.a rock,a small wall of water etc.

2.simply out running it.easier said then done of course.

3.clone jutsu/replacement/genjutsu.

As for kisame,he kept up with 7th gate might guy..his speed is great.I personally think he can't fully dodge kamui,but it would probably nick him taking off arm or something

Old hiruzen..aww comon lol.even if the senju bros weren't at full power (I honestly think that's just a retcon to cover the fact kishi changed his mind about hiruzen being strongest), he still fought well and crippled orochimaru.

 

[EZQ]

^^ (unclesam)

- Yes, ofcourse SM Jiraiya beats kakashi, BUT the hard thing for jiraiya would be entering sage mode, since kakashi is pretty fast and he wouldn't give jiraiya the prep. time, also if jiraiya stops moing he gets warped for sure.

- About kisame, as i said, i think Kisame rapes kakashi in raw power, but he doesn't have the speed to dodge kamui, Dont forget kisame didn't keep up at 100% with gai's speed, since he lost in speed to him, so i don't see him dodging it with speed. And IF kisame Tries to use a large suiton atack to hurt kakashi, kakashi would copy the jutsu and send it right back to kisame (the same thing happened in their first encounter), also i don't see kisame tricking kakashi with a clone or genjutsu, since sharingan allows kakashi to know what is a clone and what is not, and kakashi's genjutsu >> kisame's.

- Old hiruzen: He's very versatile, but kakashi's sharingan would allow him to beat hiruzen in close combat, also he has pretty powerfull summons, THIS IS FOR CLOSE RANGE, IF they fight LARGE RANGE Hiruzen gets warped.

Dont forget tobirama and hashirama were almost fodders back then, kakashi is actually faster than both (if they're weakened)

 

[elsepa]

Nope, fanboys everywhere.Avatar says all LOLOLOL.

 

[uncle sam]

^^ (unclesam)

- Yes, ofcourse SM Jiraiya beats kakashi, BUT the hard thing for jiraiya would be entering sage mode, since kakashi is pretty fast and he wouldn't give jiraiya the prep. time, also if jiraiya stops moing he gets warped for sure.

- About kisame, as i said, i think Kisame rapes kakashi in raw power, but he doesn't have the speed to dodge kamui, Dont forget kisame didn't keep up at 100% with gai's speed, since he lost in speed to him, so i don't see him dodging it with speed. And IF kisame Tries to use a large suiton atack to hurt kakashi, kakashi would copy the jutsu and send it right back to kisame (the same thing happened in their first encounter), also i don't see kisame tricking kakashi with a clone or genjutsu, since sharingan allows kakashi to know what is a clone and what is not, and kakashi's genjutsu >> kisame's.

- Old hiruzen: He's very versatile, but kakashi's sharingan would allow him to beat hiruzen in close combat, also he has pretty powerfull summons, THIS IS FOR CLOSE RANGE, IF they fight LARGE RANGE Hiruzen gets warped.

Dont forget tobirama and hashirama were almost fodders back then, kakashi is actually faster than both (if they're weakened)

Its unclear how "weakened" they were.can't find the manga scan,but in that fight it calls hashiramas wood style "secret earth style jutsu".that in itself proofs kishi didn't plan to to far ahead.plus shippuden fights are just much faster paced.I wouldn't be at all suprised to see hiruzen pull an amazing jutsu out of no where.

I'm in agreement with your kisame point..

You said muu defeats kakashi.care to explain that?not that I disagree per se but I don't personally think he stands a better chance then kisame or the third

 

[The Work]

He has to be in like top 25 because he couldn't even lay a hand on Sasuke when he was blind.

 

[spike2068]

Characters that definetly defeat kakashi(in no particular order)

1.naruto
2.sasuke
3.madara
4.hasirama
5.nagato
6.dsm kabuto
7.orochimaru
8.j-man
9.itachi
10.tobirama senju
11.izuna uchiha
12.3rd raikage
13.killer bee
14.kisame
15.obito(wow!almost forgot him )
16.minato
17.hiruzen
People who have a very good chance of beating him(could go either way but more often he'd lose)

1.4th raikage
2.hanzo (by hype)
3.kakuzu
4.konan
5.gaara

Feel free to argue with me but that's a pretty generous list.

I dont know if i agree with minato at 16 behind j man. That just doesnt seem right. I also think obito is too low, and I couldnt see kakashi beating hanzo.

 

[Penguin]

I dont know if i agree with minato at 16 behind j man. That just doesnt seem right. I also think obito is too low, and I couldnt see kakashi beating hanzo.

In no particular order.

 

[spike2068]

In no particular order.

ahhh i see my mistake

 

[Arugon]

Kakashi Kurma cloak yes, probably even top 5 but normal Kakashi is more like top 20

 

[uncle sam]

If my list were in order I'd probably put minato behind him anyway..jiriyah has awesome katons,sage mode,great strategys not all unlike naruto (using shadow clones to create openings etc),great summons (albeit the 4th Has most of them also),a huge chakra pool(not just in sm) and loads of random other jutsu that could impede lord 4th..like frog song,needle jizo variants etc

But I don't want to make this thread about minato so let's focus back on kakashi lol..is there anyone on that list you think can't defeat him?

Edit:meant to quote you spike