Nagato or BM Naruto?
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And KCM, is not affected by gravity? Fact is, Naruto isn't Tsunade, just because he survived doesn't mean he's immune to either 3 of these jutsu's
Kabuto's influence had no relevance?
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How is being controlled by someone who doesn't know how to use your abilities correctly make you prime? The only one who was stated to be revived past his prime was Madara.
so basically you assert no evidence that nagato can react to naruto's flash shunshin other than "he's a sensor so he can". While if you read my argument I give three canonical examples that prove nagato would not be able to react to a flash shunshin blitz.
and naruto was able to counter banshou tennin with a chakra arm.... which he does again.
read the exact scan of the manga when he gets hit. He only reacts to the attack after.
Concession accepted on this point as you have ignored my argument as to WHY his feat against the V2 lariat proves that he was barely able to react to it. Debate honestly, if you ignore your opponents arguments, it's a concession on your part. Him being K.O.'d or damaged means that he would not have been able to react to the blitz AT ALL.
in no way shape or form does an antiblitz tool have to be readily available right from the start of a fight in order to be considered an antiblitz tool.
Nagato's banshou tennin is only works for a few moments, after that he is wide open to attack unlike when madara puts up susanoo or hashirama creates flower tree world.
completely and utterly false as unless both characters start the fight bloodlusted, an initial full powered blitz does not happen.
I have given you three feats that prove nagato can't react to naruto's speed while on the other hand you have given ZERO evidence that Nagato CAN react to a flash shunshin. Instead you have stooped to strawmaning one of my arguments and ignoring the other 2.
Thus since your argument is backed by nothing, while my side is backed by arguments that you have ignored, it's a tacit concession on your part and Naruto in fact does blitz Nagato.
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Never said it defies gravity. I just said that he won't take the same amount of damage like Gamabunta did.
brotherin, why do you even debate if you are going to be so completely dishonest? In my post to you i EXPLICITLY showed you how I got to those numbers.
The level of dishonestly that you stoop to in order to support your own argument just shows how defeated your own stance is.
You (incorrectly) tried to implement math to measure chakara levels, come up with percentages not given by the writer himself
And then call my responses "retard?" LMAO You know what I'm not wasting my time with a troll, think what you want I can't even debate with you seriously
Once again, completely and utterly strawmanning my points. When did I ever EVER say KCM NAruto is not affected by gravity? Oh and if KCM Naruto is more durable than tsunade, then he survives all the attacks that she does with even less difficulty.
concession accepted on this point since once again, you attack a strawman. I never EVER said Kabuto's influence has no relevance, I said that his influence and decisionmaking does not affect the raw mental reaction speed, physical power, durability, movement speed of the edos that he controls.
Sure kabuto might not have used nagato as well as he could have, but the decisions and actions that kabuto made nagato do have no relevance at all towards the power of nagato's jutsu, his physical strength, his speed, durability, and reaction speed.
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I never even said that he wouldn't be affected. I simply said he won't take as much damage as Gamabunta did or if he will take damage at all. (Depends on how strong the ST is).
You sir win king of the trolls, I'm done here you're making my brain hurt.
Everyone with common sense knows that as soon as you make contact that is ONE WAY the Gakido CAN absorb chakara. Not once did I stated that it's automatic
Concession accepted on this point. Unless you can show what is wrong with the math and reasoning (which is all based on pure jutsu mechanics that kishi himself has told us), then just saying "kishi didn't tell us" does not in any way mean the numbers are correct and thus your counterargument is backed up by no positive evidence for it.
Debate honestly debate honestly debate honestly. Kishi explicitly stated that kage bunshin splits the user's chakra evenly between his clones. Naruto made 13+ clones, thus whatever chakra he had then was divided by 13+ ways. Unless you can find something wrong with that reasoning, then your assertion that what I am doing is incorrect is completely and utterly false.
Your brain must hurt from the immense amount of dishonesty you leave behind in your post.
lol when was this ever stated or implied? Why would nagato wait and get hit by the technique if he could have put up the barrier and not risk taking damage?
He basically did the exact same thing preta path did against SM COR, preta path was barely able to react to that attack
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base naruto bracing himself against the technique says hi.
FRS travelling across an entire mountain range in 1 second says being sent flying doesn't matter, nagato is still very much blitzable in between shinra tenseis.
Proof is all throughout the manga.
Why else do you think it takes specific people to be a Jinchuuriki. Their bodies have to be able to handle the chakra.
If anybody needs proof for that they need help in life