Minato vs Madara(3tomoe)

[Waltz]

One of the key characteristics of Eien no Mangekyou is its ability to control the kyuubi as noted[

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] Obito's retreat was due to physical damage and the fact that his plan had already failed. Hiruzen's RDS is Minato's technique; trying to twist things?

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The thing that will be stopping him is the satisfied shinigami who would've disappeared, his absent soul and rapidly depleting lifespan or whats left of it. It's clear that you don't know how Shiki fujin works nor did you acknowledge the fact that the Yang half of the kyuubi as well as madara would remain. Minato loses this regardless of his arsenal. Madara takes this low-mid diff. To mention also that the kyuubi was controlled with a 3 tomoe sharingan on more than one occasion.[

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] which refutes your idea that 3tomoe aren't sufficient.

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[TrollingSage]

One of the key characteristics of Eien no Mangekyou is its ability to control the kyuubi as noted[

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] Obito's retreat was due to physical damage and the fact that his plan had already failed. Hiruzen's RDS is Minato's technique; trying to twist things?

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The thing that will be stopping him is the satisfied shinigami who would've disappeared, his absent soul and rapidly depleting lifespan or whats left of it. It's clear that you don't know how Shiki fujin works nor did you acknowledge the fact that the Yang half of the kyuubi as well as madara would remain. Minato loses this regardless of his arsenal. Madara takes this low-mid diff. To mention also that the kyuubi was controlled with a 3 tomoe sharingan on more than one occasion.[

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] which refutes your idea that 3tomoe aren't sufficient.

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That's a big misconception I tend to squash. The death reaper takes one's soul only after its services are no longer required. Thats why Hiruzen was able to seal Hashi, Tobi and Oro's hands in one go. You should also note the death reaper didnt take Minato's soul immediately after it took the fox. Instead it waited till Minato had used the five element, seal, said his goodbyes, and sealed his remaining chakra and Kushina's into the Naruto. Thats when the reaper took him. That means when you summon the reaper, you can seal as many targets as you want, but it'll take your soul in return for its services.
Now onto the issue of the kyubi, per your scan, its cannon ms is a requirement to control the fox. Both characters who have controlled the fox so far, already had ms. The fact that they used 3 tomoe means nothing. We've seen Tobi use kamui with his 3 tomoe.
Now Madara having the fox could even play to Minato's favour. All he has to do is redirect one of the kyubi's own tbb back at him and its good bye Madara. Without susano to tank that shit he's a goner. Also there's no evidence to support your claim that one can simply retake control of the fox after the contract has been broken. Infact I think as long as the seal is on you, you cant control the fox. Which is why Tobi retreated. The damage he took was easily repairable as seen with his fight with Naruto and kakashi.
Minato takes this without a shadow of doubt.

 

[Waltz]

That's a big misconception I tend to squash. The death reaper takes one's soul only after its services are no longer required. Thats why Hiruzen was able to seal Hashi, Tobi and Oro's hands in one go. You should also note the death reaper didnt take Minato's soul immediately after it took the fox. Instead it waited till Minato had used the five element, seal, said his goodbyes, and sealed his remaining chakra and Kushina's into the Naruto. Thats when the reaper took him. That means when you summon the reaper, you can seal as many targets as you want, but it'll take your soul in return for its services.
Now onto the issue of the kyubi, per your scan, its cannon ms is a requirement to control the fox. Both characters who have controlled the fox so far, already had ms. The fact that they used 3 tomoe means nothing. We've seen Tobi use kamui with his 3 tomoe.
Now Madara having the fox could even play to Minato's favour. All he has to do is redirect one of the kyubi's own tbb back at him and its good bye Madara. Without susano to tank that shit he's a goner. Also there's no evidence to support your claim that one can simply retake control of the fox after the contract has been broken. Infact I think as long as the seal is on you, you cant control the fox. Which is why Tobi retreated. The damage he took was easily repairable as seen with his fight with Naruto and kakashi.
Minato takes this without a shadow of doubt.

Nonsense.

Minato can't make kagebunshin; he's limited to one extraction. This is only logical. Why do you think hiruzen made kagebunshin? Nothing about immediacy was mention in my post pertaining to events succeeding Shiki Fujin's summon. If your referring to Minato using space time barrier to re-direct TBB; Madara has already canonically deflected TBB with gunbai (without him channeling his chakra) So that would serve as nothing. @ underlined: What you think, isn't the case. Fact is, his plan failed and he was physically injured no to mention suffering blood loss and exhausted; only sensible of him to retreat. Also it fact that The 9 tails can be controlled with the 3 tomoe as long as the user has unlocked MS so don't deny. I understand your a fan but Whether you like it or not Minato loses this, Madara take this low-mid diff

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[shelke]

Thats edo Madara who's also being boosted by Hashi's techniques. His techs will be on a much lower scale without those powerups. Not to mention Minato has a boss summon that uses suiton techs.
SMH fanboys.

His Katon attacks are boasted by Hashirama techs? Since when? Got any proof for this? Wait, there is none. Katon: Gōka Messhitsu :

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- See the dot Susano'o on top of the cliff? Inside it is another indistinguishable dot that is Madara. Can you see the range of that thing? It doesn't even require a single handseal compared to Katon: Gōka Mekkyaku:

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- that requires one handseal.

Minato has to this:

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- randomly throw Kunais - before he can even teleport. Katon: Gōka Messhitsu will roast him before he even attempts that. And how far do you think he can even throw them? Even if he teleports away, he's STILL roasted into a burnt English Muffin considering its incredible range. Your 'Hashirama techs' point is non-sense. There is nothing to support this as these techs are uneffected by Sharingan, let alone its variants. Nice try.

Summons? Sasuke was able to summon Manda and put it in genjutsu in such a short while:

Bunta is put under Genjutsu the second he lands on the battle field. How much time did Sasuke have after Deidara released the mouth on his chest, turning himself into a bomb and it went off? Here it has already gone off -

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- and Sasuke has yet to summon Manda. This means he summoned manda and put it inside genjutsu in that extremely small time frame. How is any toad summon getting out if it? The moment he looks at Madara, it's over.

How are Minato's summons getting away? They will be bent to his will and would do his bidding as Sasuke did so with 3T or as Obito did so with Kurama with 3T. Minato loses. He is no where near in Madara's league.

P.s: All the points have been covered by me. Read my posts carefully before quoting me. You are wasting everyone's time.

 

[shelke]

Kouka Meshittsu's range is something Minato has no defense against besides Space time barrier [1] which, if he fails to produce he's as good as finished or is forced to retreat. The uchiha clan was hailed to be unparalleled in terms of chakra and their doujutsu's abilities; Madara simultaneously controlling the kyuubi and utilizing Perfect Susano'o is evidence of that...Minato's chakra pools aren't even remotely comparable. Madara also has a contract summoning with the kyuubi and being that he has alread unlocked the Eien Mangekyou he is able to control it with a 3 tomoe as obito did. Minato stands little to no chance against Madara even if he uses Shiki Fujin it's already been made clear that the opponent can restrict their soul from being immediately withdrawn by the death god [2] and madara possesses this ability on scales far superior to orochimaru [3] as this was done long before performing the seals for the acutal edo tensei. Minato would've died before extracting his entire soul. Madara takes this quite comfortably.

I am afraid, I am compelled to correct you on this. S/T Barrier requires four handseals -

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-and the special Kunai to activate it. Furthermore, Minato has to hold his ground to teleport the attack, together with the Special Kunai. Here is the proof:

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He isn't teleporting Katon: Gōka Messhitsu :

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- that doesn't require a single handseal. As I said before; this guy is roasted whether Madara uses Katon: Gōka Messhitsu or Katon: Gōka Mekkyaku:

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- that requires only one handseal. The faster tech wins here. Not only that, he isn't even teleporting anywhere given the former's devastating range.

 

[Waltz]

I am afraid, I am compelled to correct you on this. S/T Barrier requires four handseals -

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-and the special Kunai to activate it. Furthermore, Minato has to hold his ground to teleport the attack, together with the Special Kunai. Here is the proof:

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He isn't teleporting Katon: Gōka Messhitsu :

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- that doesn't require a single handseal. As I said before; this guy is roasted whether Madara uses Katon: Gōka Messhitsu or Katon: Gōka Mekkyaku:

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- that requires only one handseal. The faster tech wins here. Not only that, he isn't even teleporting anywhere given the former's devastating range.

Though accurate, you disregard the possible distance (as none was given) between the two opponents and the time taken for the jutsu to travel. hence why i stated; if he fails to produce it.

 

[TrollingSage]

Nonsense.

Minato can't make kagebunshin; he's limited to one extraction. This is only logical. Why do you think hiruzen made kagebunshin? Nothing about immediacy was mention in my post pertaining to events succeeding Shiki Fujin's summon. If your referring to Minato using space time barrier to re-direct TBB; Madara has already canonically deflected TBB with gunbai (without him channeling his chakra) So that would serve as nothing. @ underlined: What you think, isn't the case. Fact is, his plan failed and he was physically injured no to mention suffering blood loss and exhausted; only sensible of him to retreat. Also it fact that The 9 tails can be controlled with the 3 tomoe as long as the user has unlocked MS so don't deny. I understand your a fan but Whether you like it or not Minato loses this, Madara take this low-mid diff

Hiruzen made clones because it was faster and more efficient. Like I said, nothing suggests rds is only limited to one extraction. And if you admit controlling the fox is an ms power then whats the problem. He said 3 tomoe Madara, meaning 3 tomoe powers only. Controlling the fox is an ms ability simple.

I am afraid, I am compelled to correct you on this. S/T Barrier requires four handseals -

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-and the special Kunai to activate it. Furthermore, Minato has to hold his ground to teleport the attack, together with the Special Kunai. Here is the proof:

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He isn't teleporting Katon: Gōka Messhitsu :

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- that doesn't require a single handseal. As I said before; this guy is roasted whether Madara uses Katon: Gōka Messhitsu or Katon: Gōka Mekkyaku:

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- that requires only one handseal. The faster tech wins here. Not only that, he isn't even teleporting anywhere given the former's devastating range.

Just because he wasnt shown using handseals doesnt mean the jutsu doesnt require one. That fire jutsu isnt hitting someone who was able to throw a kunai and teleport to it before version 2 A was able to hit him. His barrier covers a large area. Infact it covered the entire of face of the kage statue. Thats enough protection for Minato.

 

[Waltz]

Hiruzen made clones because it was faster and more efficient. Like I said, nothing suggests rds is only limited to one extraction. And if you admit controlling the fox is an ms power then whats the problem. He said 3 tomoe Madara, meaning 3 tomoe powers only. Controlling the fox is an ms ability simple.

Your speculation has become your argument and you are still inventing restrictions; i have no interest in prolonging this discussion as no real-time specifics were set in this matchup overall and your rebuttals have become poor. I have already countered minato's arsenal and proven his defeat.

 

[Izuna Kakashi Senju]

Minato takes this.

 

[TrollingSage]

Your speculation has become your argument and you are still inventing restrictions; i have no interest in prolonging this discussion as no real-time specifics were set in this matchup overall and your rebuttals have become poor. I have already countered minato's arsenal and proven his defeat.

Am not the one who suggested Madara will tank a blast that covers entire mountain with a puny fan that isnt even big enough to cover his entire body. Gave me a proper laugh that. Have a good day.

 

[shelke]

Though accurate, you disregard the possible distance (as none was given) between the two opponents and the time taken for the jutsu to travel. hence why i stated; if he fails to produce it.

True, but Minato doesn't have superman-esque arms to throw an FTG Kunai that far. It's humanely impossible. Even if I agree on this, Madara can easily take advantage of his stance to teleport the attack and throw another one at him. He's burnt easily here then.

@Trolling Sage You know what dude, I look at Manga images and nothing more. Do you see Madara using any handseal at all? There are plenty of techs that do not require handseals, Minato's FTG teleportation would be one of those, together with Orochimaru's gates. If it isn't shown, it isn't there. What you are doing is throwing assumptions at my face.

Lol? I posted an entire post showing that Minato saw A charge and even come at him, and he even had his Kunai in his hand? Did you even bother to read my post? Get outta here. Really, and you expect Minato to throw his FTG Kunais how far exactly?

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this would be thrown over a span of this area -

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? Right.

 

[TrollingSage]

True, but Minato doesn't have superman-esque arms to throw an FTG Kunai that far. It's humanely impossible. Even if I agree on this, Madara can easily take advantage of his stance to teleport the attack and throw another one at him. He's burnt easily here then.

@Trolling Sage You know what dude, I look at Manga images and nothing more. Do you see Madara using any handseal at all? There are plenty of techs that do not require handseals, Minato's FTG teleportation would be one of those, together with Orochimaru's gates. If it isn't shown, it isn't there. What you are doing is throwing assumptions at my face.

Lol? I posted an entire post showing that Minato saw A charge and even come at him, and he even had his Kunai in his hand? Did you even bother to read my post? Get outta here. Really, and you expect Minato to throw his FTG Kunais how far exactly?

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this would be thrown over a span of this area -

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? Right.

He saw A but he isnt going to see the fire? Or does the fire travel faster than A?
Yea you're right.The fastest ninja in the series is going to get burnt by the fire tech a bunch of random fodders and even Mei was able to react to. Sheer lunacy
Edit: Am guessing summoning doesnt require handseals either since Sasuke was never shown using any when he summoned manda right?!

 

[shelke]

^ Here we go again. Which part of my argument don't you get? Is it comprehension? What is it? The point is distance, DISTANCE DISTANCE DISTANCE. Compare this small area:

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where Minato was able to throw his Kunai with this:

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. How far would he throw his Kunai to give him room to teleport out of its range? Half a kilometer with his bare hands? Take off your Minato blinders, I am getting sick and tired of arguing with you.

Mei reacting to it means what? She has a ****ing Suiton attack to counter it. Either she hasn't used a single handseal or it seems she might have used one. What would Minato do? Form an S/T barrier that would require him to make four handseals and then stand perfectly still in conjunction with holding his Special Kunai? He would react and do what? Keep teleporting like a moron through out the battlefield? What would he accomplish with it? Madara can throw two Katon attacks one after another, and even if he successfully teleports one, he's burnt to a paste after the next one.

So what have you done exactly? Not a single manga page to back up your outlandish claims, a bunch of self-made assumptions, and poor argumentation. Minato loses here badly. Just...stop. Clearly Minato FTG is the answer to everything / sarcasm. Either bring up a decent argument with proper scans or stop bothering me. This discussion is over from my end.

 

[TrollingSage]

^ Here we go again. Which part of my argument don't you get? Is it comprehension? What is it? The point is distance, DISTANCE DISTANCE DISTANCE. Compare this small area:

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where Minato was able to throw his Kunai with this:

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. How far would he throw his Kunai to give him room to teleport out of its range? Half a kilometer with his bare hands? Take off your Minato blinders, I am getting sick and tired of arguing with you.

Mei reacting to it means what? She has a ****ing Suiton attack to counter it. Either she hasn't used a single handseal or it seems she might have used one. What would Minato do? Form an S/T barrier that would require him to make four handseals and then stand perfectly still in conjunction with holding his Special Kunai? He would react and do what? Keep teleporting like a moron through out the battlefield? What would he accomplish with it? Madara can throw two Katon attacks one after another, and even if he successfully teleports one, he's burnt to a paste after the next one.

So what have you done exactly? Not a single manga page to back up your outlandish claims, a bunch of self-made assumptions, and poor argumentation. Minato loses here badly. Just...stop. Clearly Minato FTG is the answer to everything / sarcasm. Either bring up a decent argument with proper scans or stop bothering me. This discussion is over from my end.

Teleport away? Why would he do that when he can simply redirect the attack. Oh and before you spout that he requires 4 handseals bs again I suggest you look at your own scan carefully. This time without the Madara blinders. You'll notice the attack gets really close, more than halfway to its target before Mei, who was close to fainting, reacted. Its not that fast. Deal with it.
You're clearly deluded if you think that attack can hit before he puts up the barrier.
Oh and since you're so desperate for a scan here's one for you.

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Notice how ridiculously close the fire is to the fodders. And guess what? They put up a water wall moments later. Dam these fodder ninjas must have better reaction time than Madara, when his mom walks on him beating his meat to his Hashirama's wood jutsu.

 

[Bogard]

Teleport away? Why would he do that when he can simply redirect the attack. Oh and before you spout that he requires 4 handseals bs again I suggest you look at your own scan carefully. This time without the Madara blinders. You'll notice the attack gets really close, more than halfway to its target before Mei, who was close to fainting, reacted. Its not that fast. Deal with it.
You're clearly deluded if you think that attack can hit before he puts up the barrier.
Oh and since you're so desperate for a scan here's one for you.

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Notice how ridiculously close the fire is to the fodders. And guess what? They put up a water wall moments later. Dam these fodder ninjas must have better reaction time than Madara, when his mom walks on him beating his meat to his Hashirama's wood jutsu.

If i were you i would have already given up already. He is obviously trolling or he simply doesn't know what he is talking about. I believe Minato's speed is clearly underestimated here. Just look at this pic:

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I find it really insane the number of actions Minato made in an instant compared to what Hashirama did against roughly the same range of attack. He had time to appear where Kushina was almost going to be crushed, had the reaction speed to quickly notice the danger of Kyubi's strike, take Kushina and Shunshin far away above on the tree i circled. That feat was really insane

Minato has numerous speed feats even without FTG that also makes me wonder if people really read this manga or they are simply trolling concerning his speed

Mangapics and hype says he is fastest ninja that ever lived, yet people want me to believe he can't dodge a katon lol

 

[TrollingSage]

If i were you i would have already given up already. He is obviously trolling or he simply doesn't know what he is talking about. I believe Minato's speed is clearly underestimated here. Just look at this pic:

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I find it really insane the number of actions Minato made in an instant compared to what Hashirama did against roughly the same range of attack. He had time to appear where Kushina was almost going to be crushed, had the reaction speed to quickly notice the danger of Kyubi's strike, take Kushina and Shunshin far away above on the tree i circled. That feat was really insane

Minato has numerous speed feats even without FTG that also makes me wonder if people really read this manga or they are simply trolling concerning his speed

Mangapics and hype says he is fastest ninja that ever lived, yet people want me to believe he can't dodge a katon lol

Kind of figured that when he said Madara blocks kurama's full tbb with his gunbai.

 

[Targaryen]

Minato stomps!

 

[mun]

alot of you are underrating minato, he was the strongest ninja of his era and he was undefeated, he will beat 3 tomoe madara with ease

 

[Kages]

Minato stomps

 

[shelke]

Teleport away? Why would he do that when he can simply redirect the attack. Oh and before you spout that he requires 4 handseals bs again I suggest you look at your own scan carefully. This time without the Madara blinders. You'll notice the attack gets really close, more than halfway to its target before Mei, who was close to fainting, reacted. Its not that fast. Deal with it.
You're clearly deluded if you think that attack can hit before he puts up the barrier.
Oh and since you're so desperate for a scan here's one for you.
Notice how ridiculously close the fire is to the fodders. And guess what? They put up a water wall moments later. Dam these fodder ninjas must have better reaction time than Madara, when his mom walks on him beating his meat to his Hashirama's wood jutsu.

Already disproved by me. Like I said earlier; have you taken it upon yourself to IGNORE facts I have repeatedly posted with manga scans? The guy deflected what? A TBB? A blast that has proven to be sluggish on many occasions? With the Kunais gone, how does reaction assist him in redirecting anything? Will it help him redirect it faster, will it make the technique faster, or will it make the handseal speed itself fast? Which one of these can be proven? Go ahead and find me the any link through any ninja that validates your point on these grounds and you have won yourself a debate.

Minato has to use four handseals, stand perfectly straight, use his Kunai, and then teleport the attack by holding his ground; a fact I even elucidated within a lengthy post and is a manga fact. Regardless of his reaction speed, the S/T Barrier's handseal, technique, and teleportation speed would remain unaffected That window can and will be availed by Madara to throw in a second attack. What will he do then?

@Bogard Minato beats EMS Madara. One FTG and GG. Right Bogard? This troll joke is always befitting on you. Truly.