[Theory] Madara's True Intentions In Fighting Hashirama

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Kikki

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The best explaination I can give to Madara taking Hashirama's DNA is Hashirama's power. Honestly, given what hashirama's cell can do, I think it is greater than Rinnegan alone. Besides, I think Rinnegan cannot work for an Uchiha unless they have a body like Hashi's or an Uzumaki body. This mean an uchiha with his base body cannot use optimally the Rinnegan - they don't have the life force required.

That makes sense as well. As I said before, how naive can someone be to make a plan that cannot be completed within one single life, then putting your entire trust into your pawns who indeed both betray you? The risk is way too high.

I think it is a combination of both theories in the end. Not 100% planned, some parts were just done by chance and 'see what happens'.

Another reason for this 'plan' could be his obsession with Hashirama. The only person who can defeat him. He has a bit of an obsession with the whole ying yang logic. Zetsu or himself, the ultimate being, a combination of Hashirama and himself. Who knows how his brain really worked? Only way to find out would be his own flashbacks. And would he even explain it all out? Doubtful.
 

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This Base always needs a bit of education and these points were blatantly obvious, unless someone wasn't stoned. But, I believe this was still needed.

I have a slight disagreement. Madara probably didn't initiate the plan until - he had read the Tablet - he was not completely ousted by Uchiha clan. Remember, he lost everything for the clan's benefit, and to face such betrayal would have pushed any man to his limits. That made him snap and changed his ideals on life. We all go through change in philosophies when we experience the death of a loved one, betrayal from those closet to it. That would explain his faithlessness in humanity.

I doubt the Tablet spoke of infinite Tsukuyomi in any form. But his research on Juubi might have brought about that knowledge as all tailed beasts can be bested with Genjutsu and if the Tsukuyomi is reflected on the moon, it can be cast on the entire world. Then the question of infinite comes to mind. One would need a large amount of chakra source that is able to replenish itself eternally to maintain the Genjutsu, hence the Juubi.

Henceforth, Madara after Uchiha clan's betrayal - albeit he gave up everything for them, including his brother - and Senju clan's slating attitude to horde all the power - except Hashirama - made him alter his philosophy. He already had the knowledge, but before these successive chain of events, I doubt he needed to put it into action. I see no reason for him to do so.

But, I agree with the rest of it. After these events and metamorphosis in his persona, he decided to device a plan and challenged Hashirama. I thought all this was always clear, but this base is filled to the brim with challenged ones, one can never be too sure. Good job.
 

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Took the time to read through it all..Great theory, im just not sure if madara learned all of the secrets of the rinnegan with just his ems. He could have definitely learned more from the tablet after awakening the rinnegan but that doesnt matter as the relevent information that madara needed for his plan (awakening of the rinnegan, eye of the moon plan) would be visible through the ems. He probably learned about the paths abilities after awakening the rinnegan because it just makes the most sense.

Madara's true motive for leaving the village and battling hashi for the last time is quite nice as well. But I also feel as though it had a lot to do with his brother at the same time.
 

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Woooooooow super greaaat therory respect :)
 

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Great theory. Very clear and interesting.
 

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Agreed with ricker, anyone who pays attention to the manga already knows pretty much everything you said, and many things in your theory have been brought countless of times in other threads.

But ill still rep ya cus you had nice collected info and it was a nice wrap up for others who were confused or didn't understand.

I also agree with the guy who posted that manga page with obito talking at the kage summit.
Obito saids without the rinnegan there are many other things that can't be read on the stone, so madaras major goal was acquiring the rinnegan.

Think his name was dreagod who posted the page.

but still, great thread.
 

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Agreed with ricker, anyone who pays attention to the manga already knows pretty much everything you said, and many things in your theory have been brought countless of times in other threads.

But ill still rep ya cus you had nice collected info and it was a nice wrap up for others who were confused or didn't understand.

I also agree with the guy who posted that manga page with obito talking at the kage summit.
Obito saids without the rinnegan there are many other things that can't be read on the stone, so madaras major goal was acquiring the rinnegan.

Think his name was dreagod who posted the page.

but still, great thread.

Thank you then Lol
 

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awesome thread and well constructed theory :)
 

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Nice thread..

Thing is though, he was keeping himself alive with the shell of the jubbi, but if he only awakened the rinnegan just before his death, then how was he keeping himself alive all this time, giving that he stated the Gezo was keeping him alive.

Who knows.. :D
 
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