[Theory] Madara's True Intentions In Fighting Hashirama

[KingHashirama]

The moons eye plan , apparently came after his loss. If he had defeated Hashirama he would've probably been the leader i suppose.

He wanted to take revenge. But he couldn't so therefore he planned out the Moons Eye plan.

 

[Strata Uchiha]

Tell me this much.

There is a limit on what you can read on the Rikudo Sennin's tablet.

Like with the Sharingan, a little information is revealed.

The Mangekyo Sharingan...even more is unveiled about the tablet.

With the Eternal Mangekyo, more information is uncovered.

And finally when you get the Rinnegan, you can read everything about the Sage's secrets.


Here's the tricky part. Madara only unlocked the EMS before he defected from Konoha. He unlocked the Rinnegan as an elderly man after he left Konoha. So there's no way Madara knew all the secrets of the tablet unless...ya know...it's possible to read everything on the tablet if you just have EMS.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Tell me this much.

There is a limit on what you can read on the Rikudo Sennin's tablet.

Like with the Sharingan, a little information is revealed.

The Mangekyo Sharingan...even more is unveiled about the tablet.

With the Eternal Mangekyo, more information is uncovered.

And finally when you get the Rinnegan, you can read everything about the Sage's secrets.


Here's the tricky part. Madara only unlocked the EMS after he defected from Konoha. He unlocked the Rinnegan as an elderly man. So there's no way Madara knew all the secrets of the tablet unless...ya know...it's possible to read everything on the tablet if you just have EMS.

He unlocked EMS when Izuna gave him his eyes, Izuna died prior to the foundation of Konoha, he already had EMS when Konoha was formed.

 

[Strata Uchiha]

^ There has to be a part on the tablet that requires the Rinnegan to read it's hidden passage...right?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

^ There has to be a part on the tablet that requires the Rinnegan to read it's hidden passage...right?

Yes, but he had to have read the basic ideas of his plan before he left konoha because he was already old and stuck in the cave when he awoke it, so he had to start his planning immediately after he left the village

 

[3MESSIAH]

i agree.nice theory and nice pictures i also think that madara just fought with hashirama for his tsuki no mei plan....so maybe madara staged his own defeat so that he could go into hiding,use the SENJU DNA and proceed with his plan.this is plausible

 

[Killer Vision]

This is also my current understanding of whats happening in the manga to date.
Excellent theory bro.
Like the manga implied, Madara went to fight Hashirama knowing too well that there was a high probability of losing. he just went through it to gain the "power" he needed. In this case, the Senju DNA.

 

[KingHashirama]

This is also my current understanding of whats happening in the manga to date.
Excellent theory bro.
Like the manga implied, Madara went to fight Hashirama knowing too well that there was a high probability of losing. he just went through it to gain the "power" he needed. In this case, the Senju DNA.

Your making it sound like if that was the main reason.

The main reason Manga gives of Madara fighting Hashirama is to take revenge. I believe the Moons Eye plan was Plan B.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Why would Madara start planning during the end of his life when he is already too old and weak to do it himself? he would naturally start doing it when he was young and in the prime of his life instead if starting out when he is old and stuck in his cave, it would only be logical to assume that he did it when the capacity of doing it was within his grasp.

 

[Uchicha Macho]

to be honest this thread is a rip off from other people idea molded to derp obito style.

 

[CrimsonFire]

Why would Madara start planning during the end of his life when he is already too old and weak to do it himself? he would naturally start doing it when he was young and in the prime of his life instead if starting out when he is old and stuck in his cave, it would only be logical to assume that he did it when the capacity of doing it was within his grasp.

Well I can not talk big on that right now cause I am not sure ether man lol, Kishi needs to clarify on what happen after Madara obtain Hashirama cells and when Madara first recover in his cave. All I know is that Madara did not start thinking about the moon eye plan until he was older in that cave thinking about the losers and winners concept, which motivated him to change the world with moon eye plan.

 

[-Raviel-]

Excellent thread Derp!!you've really outdone urself this time..........and I dont usually give these kind of compliments so that's saying something

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Excellent thread Derp!!you've really outdone urself this time..........and I dont usually give these kind of compliments so that's saying something

Thanks a bunch :x3:

 

[Legendary Broly]

Great theory ^^

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Great theory ^^

Ty Broly, I appreciate it :scorps:

 

[NaruSasuRival]

Most people like to think that Madara took Hashirama's DNA because he wanted to have Rinnegan or Juubi, but I think it is not true. The reason is that everything related to Madara, Rinnegan and Juubi were accidental. I don't think such accident would be explained in the stone tablet, and I don't see why Rikkudo would allow someone to revive Juubi.

If you read Obito's flashback, that Ossan Madara was looking like a dead guy and he said many things:

1. After implanting Hashirama's cell, nothing happened until he was almost dead - this is an risky process and cannot be the result of a well explained recipe.

2. When almost dead, he unlocked Rinnegan, and broke accidentally the seal on the shell of the Juubi. He then named the that shell the Gedo Mazou.

3. You can use Gedo Mazou once you have Senju and Uchiha DNA - even if it is not perfect.
4. It is possible to use six path technique without Rinnegan.


While many there are many hint to say that Madara was after Rikudo's power, there are also a lot of uncertainty in how this power was attained. Besides, the fact that Madara had to give his eyes to Nagato in order to be revived while still alive is fishy.

The best explaination I can give to Madara taking Hashirama's DNA is Hashirama's power. Honestly, given what hashirama's cell can do, I think it is greater than Rinnegan alone. Besides, I think Rinnegan cannot work for an Uchiha unless they have a body like Hashi's or an Uzumaki body. This mean an uchiha with his base body cannot use optimally the Rinnegan - they don't have the life force required.

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

Hashirama will give his Blood Samples for free instead of fighting , if madara would had asked for it. yr whole assumption is retarded

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Hashirama will give his Blood Samples for free instead of fighting , if madara would had asked for it. yr whole assumption is retarded

Don't you think Hashirama would be suspicious as to WHY Madara is asking for his blood which would inhibit Hashirama from giving it freely?

 

[Kikki]

The theory makes sense but to get an answer if it is true or false, we need flashbacks from Madara, not Hashirama. Hashirama wouldn't know. So there are pretty much two possibilities.

1. Hashirama got challenged because Madara wanted to fight him for his title, then he lost and changed his mind, wanted to stop fighting and make a world of peace by becoming the new sage and achieve control (makes sense as well, broken, insane personality and so on)

2. It was planned in advance, as you said (makes alot of sense too). What speaks against that is a very high risk of dying.

What I find more impressive is how someone can make a plan like that and realise that one life won't be enough to complete it. Then putting all his trust into a student, then getting revived (which was unplanned with edo tensei) and seeing how it failed. Wonder how he will handle that in the end. All his patience indeed impresses me as much as his ability to accept new situations in a second. When he was young, he had neither of these abilities.

 

[Sherlock.]

Good One....