Why is konan compared to Tsunade?

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OP is freaking high LOL

as said above
even tsunade is given 100 years of prep time he will not touch obito nor beat him lol

and konan just did+

any uchiha with MS>>>>>>>>tsunade and minato ( don't count that minato beats a 14 yrs old inexperienced obito lol )
 

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Konan is of course very very strong the second strongest kunoichi after Tsunade
Tsunade is the strongest kunoichi in this manga
 

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Because of the fact that Tsunade's fighting style is so simple. It solely revolves around tanking attacks and healing, while trying to get to her opponent with her punches, and since that is her only offensive strategy, a lot of people tend to be a bad matchup for her. Konan however, has the paper ninjutsu, which is immensely useful and versatile, with her being able to both use it's high speed and piercing power as an attack, along with paper bombs and being able to suffocate an opponent by completely covering them, while she is practically immune to physical attacks. I mean, how are you going to hurt paper by punching it ? The speed of the paper also grants her a certain advantage over her opponents, as avoiding her hits along with trying to get a hit off on her can be very tough if you don't have the weapons for it (oil, for example) This is the main reason we've only seen one person manage to hurt her, which was by surprising her. Not to mention the fact that her chakra reserves were large enough to fire up 6.000.000.000 paper bombs. Overall, I put her above Tsunade due to her being a lot more versatile in her style, both offensive and defensive wise.
 
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Well first off, she was able to deduce Obito's abilities and limits just through observation over time...for someone who acts as mysterious as he does....that is impressive.

Also, against the Aburame Clan, which possesses very analytical strategists such as Shino, she was able to successfully combat them. Intelligently dousing herself in water before exploding her paper bombs.

Despite the fact she had Prep-Time, she still managed to successfully trap Obito. Also, she had already formulated a strategy to kill them both. Obito stopped it at the last minute, and Konan kept from killing herself.

Her use of the Oragami Angels to spy on Amegakure is also very intelligent.

Tsunade herself hasn't shown many intelligent strategy feats. Most of her brilliance has come through medical breakthroughs. Her entire fighting style against Madara was tanking attacks :/. Tanking Susanoo Swords/Punches and tanking Katon jutsu.

Anyways...I think that is why Konan is probably standing towards the top in intellignce. Despite not being an incredibly skilled Shinobi (though even then she's above average), she nearly formulated a plan that almost killed Obito and his Haax Kamui :)!
? Really?
Tsunade's Intelligence:
Needless to say Tsunade is intelligent. For instance, before the battle with Orochimaru she poisoned Jiraiya to make sure he did not interfere with any of her decisions.
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She opted to end Orochimaru subtly with a sneak attack than a large time consuming showdown
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Tsunade is able to understand how motivation affects people and their performance on the battlefield.
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While Tsunade is an emotional person, she is able to rationalize and objectively analyze situations.
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Tsunade can reason on the motives of her enemies and spot traps ahead of time.
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Tsunade here indicates that she didn't just stick Yamato with team Kakashi for kicks and giggles nor just because of him being powerful, but also because he mokuton includes Chakra suppression.
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Tsunade also shows that she knew that if the Hidden Leaf really crumbled then Naruto would be in grave danger, thus he had to fight to defend it if he had any chance in being safe.
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In stressful situations Tsunade has managed to provide quick leadership the has a solid plan of defense. And she knew a means to hand out information instanteously is paramount. And therefore, she knows the value of information and thus would strive to obtain it through whatever means necessary.
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Tsunade has also shown her ability to think up counters to enemies unusual abilities once she has information on them.
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As opposed to most people Tsunade was able to perceive that Pein was about to launch a large scale attack.
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Tsunade also realizes when desperate measures demand an all out attack. Even out thinking Shikaku in this regard.
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Tsunade was able to out think Raikage and perceive what Naruto experienced before he told them.
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Tsunade's rules for medical nin highlights her knowledge of battle strategy.
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And we see while the medical ninja is supposed to be the last on the team to die in battle in the case against Tsunade. She intends to allow the kage to make a comeback by healing them allowing them to protect the shinobi world
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Tsunade also managed to set a trap for Madara, that Madara did not expect. Which means she wasn't just idely punching and tanking as you claim she was.
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Furthermore in her battle with Orochimaru she realized the more immediate and dangerous threat was Manda not an armless Orochimaru and Kabuto and decided to take out said threat first.
But she's been brilliant serveral other times in the manga
So I tend to think that Tsunade is in fact more intelligent that Konan. She not only has a knowledge base of battle strategy that allows her to compile teams for maximum efficiency but she also had the diplomatic knowledge to keep Konoha in place of power even after Orochimaru's attack and Danzo's deceit. Beyond her great knowledge in the medical field, she's also displayed the ability to think of strategies, being the first to suggest Gaara lift them above Flower Tree World.
 

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? Really?
Tsunade's Intelligence:
Needless to say Tsunade is intelligent. For instance, before the battle with Orochimaru she poisoned Jiraiya to make sure he did not interfere with any of her decisions.
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She opted to end Orochimaru subtly with a sneak attack than a large time consuming showdown
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Tsunade is able to understand how motivation affects people and their performance on the battlefield.
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While Tsunade is an emotional person, she is able to rationalize and objectively analyze situations.
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Tsunade can reason on the motives of her enemies and spot traps ahead of time.
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Tsunade here indicates that she didn't just stick Yamato with team Kakashi for kicks and giggles nor just because of him being powerful, but also because he mokuton includes Chakra suppression.
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Tsunade also shows that she knew that if the Hidden Leaf really crumbled then Naruto would be in grave danger, thus he had to fight to defend it if he had any chance in being safe.
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In stressful situations Tsunade has managed to provide quick leadership the has a solid plan of defense. And she knew a means to hand out information instanteously is paramount. And therefore, she knows the value of information and thus would strive to obtain it through whatever means necessary.
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Tsunade has also shown her ability to think up counters to enemies unusual abilities once she has information on them.
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As opposed to most people Tsunade was able to perceive that Pein was about to launch a large scale attack.
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Tsunade also realizes when desperate measures demand an all out attack. Even out thinking Shikaku in this regard.
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Tsunade was able to out think Raikage and perceive what Naruto experienced before he told them.
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Tsunade's rules for medical nin highlights her knowledge of battle strategy.
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And we see while the medical ninja is supposed to be the last on the team to die in battle in the case against Tsunade. She intends to allow the kage to make a comeback by healing them allowing them to protect the shinobi world
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Tsunade also managed to set a trap for Madara, that Madara did not expect. Which means she wasn't just idely punching and tanking as you claim she was.
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Furthermore in her battle with Orochimaru she realized the more immediate and dangerous threat was Manda not an armless Orochimaru and Kabuto and decided to take out said threat first.
But she's been brilliant serveral other times in the manga
So I tend to think that Tsunade is in fact more intelligent that Konan. She not only has a knowledge base of battle strategy that allows her to compile teams for maximum efficiency but she also had the diplomatic knowledge to keep Konoha in place of power even after Orochimaru's attack and Danzo's deceit. Beyond her great knowledge in the medical field, she's also displayed the ability to think of strategies, being the first to suggest Gaara lift them above Flower Tree World.
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how can even tsunade hit Konan ?
i mean she is not fast enough to hit her plus the nature of konan style is paper if tsunade hit her she will turn to papers she can't do shit to her

not to mention konan has millions of paper to destroy tsunade

Konan is like a long range - mid range fighter
while tsunade is close range fighter

even deidara can beat tsunade
it's not about how strong her fists are

it's about her fighting style and this useful against long range - mid range fighter

Orochimaru with Armless and weak body still laughing at her punch and she couldn't kill him with her full power and with jiraiya help
not to mention jonin kabuto gave her a hard time

the only Akatsuki member tsunade can beat is Hidan

sorry but i didn't see something from her that make me put her in top 20
 

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According to the Manga, Tsunade is the world's Strongest Kunoichi, and those who want to oppose the Manga, Good Luck
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and according to the Manga the third hokage is the GOD of shinobi while hashirama is stronger than him and has the same title

and according to the manga itachi said " only a Uchiha will beat a Uchiha " and we saw how hashirama beat madara
and how minato beat Obito

things in the manga sometimes are only for the plot
 

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I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that tsunade doesnt really have battle feats, even though shes a great medic and all. Konan on the other hand is S ranked cuz she was with akatsuki . If i recall the whole aburame clan struggled against her during the invasion of pain. Sure she had prep time with obito but answer this: ever since the death o jiraiya tsunade knew the leader of akatsuki was op and could invade any time. Why didnt she prepare a defense of her own? She just relied on naruto, technically konan was friends with him too she couldve sought his help in fighting tobi but she did the hard thing: rely on herself andhn make a battle plan of her own.
 

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I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that tsunade doesnt really have battle feats, even though shes a great medic and all. Konan on the other hand is S ranked cuz she was with akatsuki . If i recall the whole aburame clan struggled against her during the invasion of pain. Sure she had prep time with obito but answer this: ever since the death o jiraiya tsunade knew the leader of akatsuki was op and could invade any time. Why didnt she prepare a defense of her own? She just relied on naruto, technically konan was friends with him too she couldve sought his help in fighting tobi but she did the hard thing: rely on herself andhn make a battle plan of her own.
Well it might have something to do with the fact that it:
A: it was not a long span of time
B: They were still trying to figure out how they're were 6 Peins
C: They didn't know the abilities of Pein.
 

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and according to the Manga the third hokage is the GOD of shinobi while hashirama is stronger than him and has the same title

and according to the manga itachi said " only a Uchiha will beat a Uchiha " and we saw how hashirama beat madara
and how minato beat Obito

things in the manga sometimes are only for the plot
Sarutobi was never directly called the God of Shinobi in a conversation.
 

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anbu ninjas and the village called him that title

try to replay and counter all my points not only picking what u want to pick

btw i was replaying on that guy comment

lets be in the thread
1. Anbu ninjas never called him that, The villagers never called him that

2. I will argue with what i find wrong in the post.
 
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I'm not too sure about Tsunade's intelligence in battle, she is definitely brilliant in the medical field.

She lost to Part 1 Kabuto and her fear of blood took the best of her. What's impressive is that she constantly tanked Madara's attacks, and getting impaled, impaled again, and then impaled even more, that and being ripped in half and still was able to summon Katsuyu. Amazing power, but I didn't see any intelligence feats in that, though.

Also, I mean, we know she is a terrible gambler, and the only gamble that is on her side is Naruto.

I'm sorry but Konan takes this. Her prep time is her advantage but her execution is brilliant. Obito is just way too tough to kill.
 

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Tsunade got owned by (1st GEN!!!)Kabuto...I'll never let that go. He solo'd Tsunade...low diff! LOL!!!!

Tsunade really doesn't have any actual fighting style. She's just a brawler. A street fighter. Not impressive...Gai could own her.

As far as Konan, Tsunade COULD beat her, but she'd have to go all out with summonings and creation rebirth.
 

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I'm not too sure about Tsunade's intelligence in battle, she is definitely brilliant in the medical field.

She lost to Part 1 Kabuto and her fear of blood took the best of her. What's impressive is that she constantly tanked Madara's attacks, and getting impaled, impaled again, and then impaled even more, that and being ripped in half and still was able to summon Katsuyu. Amazing power, but I didn't see any intelligence feats in that, though.

Also, I mean, we know she is a terrible gambler, and the only gamble that is on her side is Naruto.

I'm sorry but Konan takes this. Her prep time is her advantage but her execution is brilliant. Obito is just way too tough to kill.
She gambles to goof around....

She found a way to counter the push and pull of the rinnegan. She also, knew SM was needed to go against Pain. Shes the one who told gaara to raise them up... lmao. Shes basically the commander of the 5 Kages.


Tsunade got owned by (1st GEN!!!)Kabuto...I'll never let that go. He solo'd Tsunade...low diff! LOL!!!!

Tsunade really doesn't have any actual fighting style. She's just a brawler. A street fighter. Not impressive...Gai could own her.

As far as Konan, Tsunade COULD beat her, but she'd have to go all out with summonings and creation rebirth.
o_O... she doesn't need summonings..... lmao.

Go read the manga again. lmao. "Tsunade got owned by Kabuto" LMAAOOOO
 
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And anyone can spy with a foreign object.. lol.

Konan specializes in Origami , so shes good in it. She set the trap and took obito to that place. Shino had no chance against konan.. she simply overpowered them. There was no intelligence involved there.


Tsunade:

- Always has the teams ready to go

- She knew SM was needed to go against Nagato, hence why she sent Naruto to train.

- Her counter to Pain's technique

- Greatest medic of all time

- Only one to counter Chiyo's poison (Sakura did it cause Tsunade is her teacher)

- Made the god damn laws for medic ninja

- Knew that Naruto and B are needed to win the war.


That obito would've killed Konan in 2 minutes. o_O. Make a good point.

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I don't care about your troll. Since you don't even know the difference between the current Obito and Konan.
Well first of all I'd like to point out that not everyone can spy with a foreign object...how many people in the series have done so?! There are more than Konan, and to be precise they include Gaara, Shino, Orochimaru, and Ino. To do so they required a jutsu (or in Orochimaru's case a bamboo straw to spy during the Chunin Exams). Other than them, no one has ever actually spied using some type of jutsu. Thus, your argument is not entirely accurate.

Second, the Aburame Clan consists of intelligent members. During the Konoha Invasion arc, Shino had to fight against Kankuro. Unlike Kankuro, Shino didn't know the full capabilities of his enemies (Kankuro's preliminary match was short, but Shino's was a far longer fight). Shino still managed to practically outwit Kankuro despite the disadvantage. Konan did use strategy as she doused herself in water and then fused her paper clones with explosives...allowing herself to suicide bomb them and still survive. Add on several more members of the Aburame Clan, and the fact that their insects take chakra, she did use effective strategy in combat.

On to Tsunade. Everything you listed had nothing to do with a strategic or intelligence moves during combat. The only one that was actually nicely done was using Katsuyu to protect the village. The rest are simply a reppitition of medical feats not combat feats.

1. Tsunade did not suggest for Naruto to learn Sage Mode, Pa actually offered. Tsunade simply accepted and allowed this.

2. Has the teams always ready to go is a very vague term that needs elaboration. As a Hokage she naturally manages the deployment of teams. Even then, she has Shizune as an aid to assist her. This is not much different from Konan's Paper Angels used to collect information. If you refer to the Kage fight, the first person to rally the team is Oonoiki. Madara even comments that Oonoiki is the person who's will he needs to break.

3. I don't recall Tsunade countering the poison of Chiyo...if I remember right Chiyo mentioned that Sakura on her own had managed it. It was Sakura's feat not Tsunade's.

4. Medical Laws don't really have anything to do with her in a combat situation....they were simply established to prolonge the life of Medical Ninjas so they can heal their comrades.

5. Tsunade initially thought they would serve as a way to bolster the strength of the Allied Army...not that they were vital to the war. When Ay and Tsunade arrived to stop them, she initially was not planning to let him pass; however, Naruto's words sank into her. As such she allowed them to pass. It was in fact Shikaku who realized the need for Naruto, and ironically they had already been sent ahead.


My point wasn't that Tsunade is dumb...obviously she is an incredibly smart individual who is talented in Medical Knowledge. However, she does not formulate strategies in combat. Against Orochimaru she simply chased after him and just hit him. She even simply took his sword to the chest instead of finding a more efficient way of blocking the attack. Against Madara she simply tanked his attacks. For example, she charged forwards despite being stabbed by two Susanoo swords. I believe Ay even mentions her fighting is getting sloppy to which she replies along the lines of, "It doesn't matter.". A second time is when she simply tanks a large scale Katon jutsu instead of relying on Gaara's sand defense. Immediatly following this point, she actually times out on her jutsu, and was completely unaware of the fact she was almost done...had she strategized she should have been aware of this time limit. Luckily, Dan saved her.


So I shall say again, the reason people compare Konan to Tsunade in terms of intelligence is because Konan truly is an intelligent person. She was smart enough to observe and understand Obito's Jutsu without being told how it works...no matter how you slice it, it requires intelligence to decipher. Also, it requires even more to realize the time limitations...because how many times would Obito trully be pressed in such a situation. Konan is not as strong as Tsunade, but because of her ability to observe and strategize in her battles, she has the intelligence to combat strong opponents.....she managed to blow Obito half to hell with a prepared trap. She even prepared her bombs to last twice the length of Obito's limit JUST TO BE SURE.

Also, whether or not Obito changed much is truly irrelevent. The only thing that changed was that he took the Rinnegan. Obito's endurance or chakra did not change. So she did in fact damage the Obito who took a rasengan to the face.



When people post comments, it is only common courtesy to treat them respect even if your opinions differ. For instance, you do not think Konan deserves to be compared to Tsunade, and I do. However, just because we have different views does not mean that you have the right to not even consider what an individual says, and proceed to insult them for it.
 
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OP is freaking high LOL

as said above
even tsunade is given 100 years of prep time he will not touch obito nor beat him lol

and konan just did+

any uchiha with MS>>>>>>>>tsunade and minato ( don't count that minato beats a 14 yrs old inexperienced obito lol )
Minato with prep beats any Uchiha (living) that has no Wood style.
 
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