ems sasuke,madara, nagato, itachi>obito. kamui is op but obito isnt

[yondaime4]

I think kamui is definitely one of the best techs to have, but im confident ems sasuke would kill him and so would nagato or madara, and even itachi.

i have a feeling im going to be flamed because obito fanboys dont believe kamui has downsides, so i will lay down my defense and lets get it on.

first off if obito could use both eyes for seperate attacks at the same time, eg stay intagible and warp enemies with long range eye i would agree that hed be too op for anyone, but he doesnt and the FACT is that obito needs to be solid to mount an attack and that creates the most obvious of openings imo.

Sasuke has the blaze release which i think is the perfect counter for kamui, as we have seen how obito doesnt like amaterasu, could itachis final attack be more to show obitos weakness than to actually kill him? hmmm. and im sure kishi can think of an even better way for sasuke to kill obito as he is smarter and likes sasuke more than I do.

kamui isnt instant either otherwise minato woulda been got and so would deidara and the gedo wouldnt have a head, and for those who think sasuke isnt fast check out his teleportation jutsu when he sliced obito down before fighting deidara and when he is reunited with team yamato, i think sasuke is a bad match for obito tbh

rinnegan can absorb all ninjutsu so i really dont think kamui would even work on a rinnegan user, maybe if obito actually touches his opponent but i think he would get mangled if he tried to touch madara or nagato. so thats not a logical strategy imo.

And on top of that i think sasuke madara nagato and itachi are better shinobi than obito will ever be simply because they have acquired strength through battle and hard work, obito was a crappy shinobi who unlocked a super jutsu and was powered up by madara but he lacks real battle experiance imo which would be the deciding factor i think. if obito was truly op nobody would have ever hit him but in reality every opponent hits him. i mean kakashi always made fun of how weak obito was and obito would say wait til i get my sharingan lol like that would save him, well i guess it did haha but not against minato a top class shinobi and it wont against the rest of the top shinobi.
And i think naruto and hashirama and probly even ms izuna could take him lol and probly madaras other 3 brothers could too.

 

[i OblivioN i]

Can't kill what you can't touch.

Obito >Nagato, Sasuke, Itachi, Madara

 

[yondaime4]

Can't kill what you can't touch.

Obito >Nagato, Sasuke, Itachi, Madara

Your a tool, everyone touches obito what manga u reading?

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Obito>everyone you named except Madara.

But Nagato's 6pop can beat Obito though.

 

[foxyladyland]

are you kinda trolling?

 

[yondaime4]

are you kinda trolling?

me troll? never

Obito>everyone you named except Madara.

But Nagato's 6pop can beat Obito though.

what makes obito better? pls explain this to me

 

[KidGamer65]

I think kamui is definitely one of the best techs to have, but im confident ems sasuke would kill him and so would nagato or madara, and even itachi.[

Smh....none of these guys can even hit him let alone defeat him.

i have a feeling im going to be flamed because kamui supporters dont believe kamui has downsides, so i will lay down my defense and lets get it on.

first off if obito could use both eyes for seperate attacks at the same time, eg stay intagible and warp enemies with long range eye i would agree that hed be too op for anyone, but he doesnt and the FACT is that obito needs to be solid to mount an attack and that creates the most obvious of openings imo.

Obvious yet only a few people have been able to hit him let alone defeat him.

Sasuke has the blaze release which i think is the perfect counter for kamui, as we have seen how obito doesnt like amaterasu, could itachis final attack be more to show obitos weakness than to actually kill him? hmmm. and im sure kishi can think of an even better way for sasuke to kill obito as he is smarter and likes sasuke more than I do.

You thought wrong. Enton is not a counter for Kamui at all. I see, a reference to that trap Itachi set..then you might wanna take a look at the Databook entry on Kamui, where its stated he escaped the black flames using Kamui, so Amaterasu is null and void when fighting him.

kamui isnt instant either otherwise minato woulda been got and so would deidara and the gedo wouldnt have a head, and for those who think sasuke isnt fast check out his teleportation jutsu when he sliced obito down before fighting deidara and when he is reunited with team yamato, i think sasuke is a bad match for obito tbh

Did you read the part where Obito said he'd have to suck him in faster? Didn't think so. Smh, you think Sasuke can escape Kamui with Shunshin, when Minato (who's faster than Sasuke) needed FTG to escape? Laughable.

rinnegan can absorb all ninjutsu so i really dont think kamui would even work on a rinnegan user, maybe if obito actually touches his opponent but i think he would get mangled if he tried to touch madara or nagato. so thats not a logical strategy imo.

Preta path can't absorb Kamui as it is simply Obito dragging someone into his dimension using a black hole like portal that forms in front of his Sharingan. Once he touches an of them its over. Kamui isn't instant but it is obviously very very fast.

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Obito Kamui'd in, sucked him in, and then Kamui'd out all before Jinton blew up.

And on top of that i think sasuke madara nagato and itachi are better shinobi than obito will ever be simply because they have acquired strength through battle and hard work, obito was a crappy shinobi who unlocked a super jutsu and was powered up by madara but he lacks real battle experiance imo which would be the deciding factor i think. if obito was truly op nobody would have ever hit him but in reality every opponent hits him. i mean kakashi always made fun of how weak obito was and obito would say wait til i get my sharingan lol like that would save him, well i guess it did haha but not against minato a top class shinobi and it wont against the rest of the top shinobi.
And i think naruto and hashirama and probly even ms izuna could take him lol and probly madaras other 3 brothers could too.

The rest of this is your opinion, its subjective, and it doesn't add anything to your argument.

@bold: This is just laughable at best. I hope you're joking.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

me troll? never



what makes obito better? pls explain this to me

Obito vs Itachi-Itachi lacks to stamina to keep up and none of technigues work on Obito. All Obito has to do is warp him.

Obito vs Sasuke-Same as Itachi minus the stamina

Obito vs Nagato-Same as Sasuke

Basiclly, Obito is almost untouchable/unbeatable 1v1. Manga proved it.

 

[foxyladyland]

me troll? never



what makes obito better? pls explain this to me

your so incredible Yondaime4 so incredible for girls?! what dat mean .....yuck...Obito is a great samurai in the land of misty ceerulean
cuz he turns invisible when you hit him and doesnt think about the blow in the nostril breathes in harder,... right?,...

 

[silmarill]

Naruto BM and Bee combined with Kakashi and Guy took how many fkn chapters to even land a single hit on him?
And u saying Sasuke or Itachi can beat this guy?
Why u still bother reading the manga...

 

[yondaime4]

Smh....none of these guys can even hit him let alone defeat him.


Obvious yet only a few people have been able to hit him let alone defeat him.


You thought wrong. Enton is not a counter for Kamui at all. I see, a reference to that trap Itachi set..then you might wanna take a look at the Databook entry on Kamui, where its stated he escaped the black flames using Kamui, so Amaterasu is null and void when fighting him.


Did you read the part where Obito said he'd have to suck him in faster? Didn't think so. Smh, you think Sasuke can escape Kamui with Shunshin, when Minato (who's faster than Sasuke) needed FTG to escape? Laughable.


Preta path can't absorb Kamui as it is simply Obito dragging someone into his dimension using a black hole like portal that forms in front of his Sharingan. Once he touches an of them its over. Kamui isn't instant but it is obviously very very fast.

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Obito Kamui'd in, sucked him in, and then Kamui'd out all before Jinton blew up.




The rest of this is your opinion, its subjective, and it doesn't add anything to your argument.

@bold: This is just laughable at best. I hope you're joking.

none of these guys could hit him? thats your opinion but its FACT that everyone of obitos opponents damaged him and you think the best cant? thats logical.

your point about the black hole is logical but I still dont see it working on the rinnegan

Amaterasu is null and void? ok sweet

ftg is teleporting no? same tech minus seals and he range, i mean for the purpose of escaping kamui itd work the same way. and i dont remember him saying hed teleport him faster he said as soon as he touches him as in he was cocky and screwed up the first time. not that he could absorb him faster.

And the part where the shinobi i mentioned have more battle experiance is fact but of course youd ignore that.

and the last part was a joke lol

 

[Narutoga]

I disagree

 

[VongolaX]

Obito vs Itachi-Itachi lacks to stamina to keep up and none of technigues work on Obito. All Obito has to do is warp him.

Obito vs Sasuke-Same as Itachi minus the stamina

Obito vs Nagato-Same as Sasuke

Basiclly, Obito is almost untouchable/unbeatable 1v1. Manga proved it.

^^this is it, but itachi's stamina is not as bad people think on this base.....or any other forum. Beside that Obito can absorb you into his dimension, and when he does.......it's all over for you.

 

[yondaime4]

Obito vs Itachi-Itachi lacks to stamina to keep up and none of technigues work on Obito. All Obito has to do is warp him.

Obito vs Sasuke-Same as Itachi minus the stamina

Obito vs Nagato-Same as Sasuke

Basiclly, Obito is almost untouchable/unbeatable 1v1. Manga proved it.

sooo obito would just warp everyone? makes sense

1v1 obito lost to minato and had to use izanagi to survive konan and i think most will agree the shinobi i mentioned are as strong if not stronger than minato but ya obito warps everyone i forgot

your so incredible Yondaime4 so incredible for girls?! what dat mean .....yuck...Obito is a great samurai in the land of misty ceerulean
cuz he turns invisible when you hit him and doesnt think about the blow in the nostril breathes in harder,... right?,...

im not sure how to respond to you, but foxyladyland sounds like fun ; p

 

[yondaime4]

^^this is it, but itachi's stamina is not as bad people think on this base.....or any other forum. Beside that Obito can absorb you into his dimension, and when he does.......it's all over for you.

Ya kamui one shot makes sense i dont know why i ever thought kamui can be countered

 

[KidGamer65]

none of these guys could hit him? thats your opinion but its FACT that everyone of obitos opponents damaged him and you think the best cant? thats logical.

your point about the black hole is logical but I still dont see it working on the rinnegan

Amaterasu is null and void? ok sweet

ftg is teleporting no? same tech minus seals and he range, i mean for the purpose of escaping kamui itd work the same way. and i dont remember him saying hed teleport him faster he said as soon as he touches him as in he was cocky and screwed up the first time. not that he could absorb him faster.

And the part where the shinobi i mentioned have more battle experiance is fact but of course youd ignore that.

and the last part was a joke lol

Manga has already showed that Obito can't be touched one on one unless you can exhaust his time limit or attack him while he is attacking. Naruto and co already tried to hit him by ganging up on him, and they failed miserably. The bold is horrible logic, if they can hit hi why don't you SHOW me how they can hit him.

Kamui can't be absorbed by Rinnegan.

Already proved how Amaterasu is null and void. Obito can counter it with Kamui.

Shunshin=/=Teleporting. Shunshin uses speed, Shunshin involves you traveling from one spot to another as seen when A used it to dodge Sasuke's Amaterasu. FTG is you teleporting, there is no movement.

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You were right but he went into Jinton and sucked Sasuke in and warped out before Jinton could explode so that proves that his Kamui can warp faster than what it was vs Minato.

I ignored it because battle experience isn't important in this match up. Since when has experience ever sealed the deal for a match in the manga? Never. If battle experience mattered as much as you think it did, Naruto wouldn't have made it this far since most the opponents he fights have more battle experience than him. Battle Experience doesn't help your argument in the slightest.

 

[kakashi ms]

kakashi's all ranges kamui is instant
don't speak about didra ,as kakashi wasn't goo at it yet and he said that himself
don't speak about the gedo too as it isn't kakashi's highlight speed
kakashi's highlight speed in kamui is that
1.kakashi warped 2 susano arrow in no time although his ms was locked(he doesn't need to collect chakra as you say)
2.kakashi warped naruto without obito who has sharinga and rinngan note
kakashi's kamui is much faster than obito's one and even minato can't escape from it
kakahsi can warp minat's neck or apart of it as size as nail (that won't take any time) and minato won't feel to use his ftg
kamui can warp amatrasu even if it hi kamui's user
riningan can't push kamui or absorb it ,it couldn't even absorb amatrasu which like the ninjutsu more than kamui
amatrasu isn't counter for kamui how will it deal with kakashi's all ranges kamui or obito's one

 

[Draphsin]

Tbh im not an obito fanboy but he's easily top 3 and its impossible to deny.

He beats sasuke, ems madara, nagato & itachi med/high dif MAX (with his paths)

 

[yondaime4]

Naruto BM and Bee combined with Kakashi and Guy took how many fkn chapters to even land a single hit on him?
And u saying Sasuke or Itachi can beat this guy?
Why u still bother reading the manga...

obito has the jins thanks to kabuto the gedo thanks to madara and nagato so i dont count that im talking obito by himself 1 v 1 and in that scenario Minato took one chap to beat his ass so whats your point

 

[Minator93]

Obito is above everyone. Yes even Edo Madara and Edo Hashirama are beneath him U_U