ems sasuke,madara, nagato, itachi>obito. kamui is op but obito isnt

[foxyladyland]

im not sure how to respond to you, but foxyladyland sounds like fun ; p

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[Draphsin]

Minato took one chap whats your point

It took 3 of the fastest characters in naruto to even lay a finger on obito, and without kakashi's kamui we still wouldnt even know who tobi is...Point being, s/t = obito's only weakness

obito has the jins thanks to kabuto the gedo thanks to madara and nagato so i dont count that im talking obito by himself 1 v 1 and in that scenario Minato took one chap to beat his ass so whats your point

Obito's jinjuriki are HIS. He used the rinnegans outer path technique to gain control of them. The gedo statue is HIS too because its a rinnegan technique and he has the rinnegan (dont say that the rinnegan isnt his because nagato's rinnegan isnt his, and sasuke's EMS isnt his)

 

[VongolaX]

Ya kmaui one shot makes sense i dont know why i ever thought kamui can be countered

the fact that minato(fastest person) barely escape kamui and obito didn't touch him. If Obito did, minato would of been done. Luckily Minato was too smart for him and teleported at the right time to rasengan him. None of those people above can do that (Madara we can't judge)

 

[foxyladyland]

the fact that minato(fastest person) barely escape kamui and obito didn't touch him. If Obito did, minato would of been done. Luckily Minato was too smart for him and teleported at the right time to rasengan him. None of those people above can do that (Madara we can't judge)

obito touched him with the chains but minato just broke free easily by sliping out of them remember?
But like I said before.......If obito attached something to the chains and rigged them somehow , then Minato could have been hurt

 

[yondaime4]

it is, coming over?

id luv too : )

the fact that minato(fastest person) barely escape kamui and obito didn't touch him. If Obito did, minato would of been done. Luckily Minato was too smart for him and teleported at the right time to rasengan him. None of those people above can do that (Madara we can't judge)

luckily minato was smart? no minato is battle tested thats why he is smart in batte, just like those that i mentioned who have lived in battle. obito avoids battle at all cost using akatsuki and sasuke to do things for him thats why when it comes time for him to really fight he loses. but i guess thats just my opinion

It took 3 of the fastest characters in naruto to even lay a finger on obito, and without kakashi's kamui we still wouldnt even know who tobi is...Point being, s/t = obito's only weakness



Obito's jinjuriki are HIS. He used the rinnegans outer path technique to gain control of them. The gedo statue is HIS too because its a rinnegan technique and he has the rinnegan (dont say that the rinnegan isnt his because nagato's rinnegan isnt his, and sasuke's EMS isnt his)

no no it took only THE fastest charactor by himself to BEAT obito. this is 1v1 im talking about to count the gedo and all that is stupid and makes the fight unfair obviously. thats like saying kabuto and his 40 edos could smash itachi by himelf, obviously they can.

and while im addressing this i would like to point out that nagato had rinnegan from young and made it his own, sasuke killed itachi himself so he has the right to take his eyes. what has obito done? he was given everything by madara, nagato and akatsuki captured all the bijuu, kabuto used HIS edo tensei for obitos use. i mean even obito killed konan to get to nagato so i guess he can claim the rinnegan.

o and remember konan? she forced obito to use izanagi without space time. i mean just because it isnt spelled out for you in big bold letters by kishi doesnt mean obito isnt beatable. use your head, if u had to fight obito would u just be like aw man i lose lol

Obito is above everyone. Yes even Edo Madara and Edo Hashirama are beneath him U_U

lol nope hes not and if you can back up your claims maybe ill believe you but all you fanboys say is kamui kamui kamui obito warps everyone with kamui lol use your imagination, entertain me haha

Manga has already showed that Obito can't be touched one on one unless you can exhaust his time limit or attack him while he is attacking. Naruto and co already tried to hit him by ganging up on him, and they failed miserably. The bold is horrible logic, if they can hit hi why don't you SHOW me how they can hit him.

Kamui can't be absorbed by Rinnegan.

Already proved how Amaterasu is null and void. Obito can counter it with Kamui.

Shunshin=/=Teleporting. Shunshin uses speed, Shunshin involves you traveling from one spot to another as seen when A used it to dodge Sasuke's Amaterasu. FTG is you teleporting, there is no movement.

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You were right but he went into Jinton and sucked Sasuke in and warped out before Jinton could explode so that proves that his Kamui can warp faster than what it was vs Minato.

I ignored it because battle experience isn't important in this match up. Since when has experience ever sealed the deal for a match in the manga? Never. If battle experience mattered as much as you think it did, Naruto wouldn't have made it this far since most the opponents he fights have more battle experience than him. Battle Experience doesn't help your argument in the slightest.

lmao how did you prove amaterasu is null and void? it almost killed him. and that wasnt even in a fight you think he would have time to kamui it away and what not while under attack? wait you probly do

you shunshin vs ftg argument makes sense lol ill give u that one. if ur lucky plus rep lol

the speed of his kamui isnt instant so no matter how you look at it there is always room to escape if you are fast enough and if your prepared for it.

maaan your saying battle experiance doesnt matter? goin in the sig haha, i mean if you really believe that then there is no argument that will change your mind. go into a fight with someone who knows how to fight better than you, even if they are weaker id bet theyll own you. try an mma gym just for me please. or boxing kickboxing whatever and then tell me experience doesnt matter

and naruto wins becasue he has everyone to back him up and incredible power, but naruto is just as experianced as the rest i mean hes been fighting top level shinobi since zabuza and hes the number 1 unpredictable shinobi that helps negate experiance lol.

kakashi's all ranges kamui is instant
don't speak about didra ,as kakashi wasn't goo at it yet and he said that himself
don't speak about the gedo too as it isn't kakashi's highlight speed
kakashi's highlight speed in kamui is that
1.kakashi warped 2 susano arrow in no time although his ms was locked(he doesn't need to collect chakra as you say)
2.kakashi warped naruto without obito who has sharinga and rinngan note
kakashi's kamui is much faster than obito's one and even minato can't escape from it
kakahsi can warp minat's neck or apart of it as size as nail (that won't take any time) and minato won't feel to use his ftg
kamui can warp amatrasu even if it hi kamui's user
riningan can't push kamui or absorb it ,it couldn't even absorb amatrasu which like the ninjutsu more than kamui
amatrasu isn't counter for kamui how will it deal with kakashi's all ranges kamui or obito's one

if kakashis kamui is instant why didnt the gedo lose its head? i mean its clearly not instant and im not even talking about kakashi soooo i guess ill just leave it there.

 

[KidGamer65]

lmao how did you prove amaterasu is null and void? it almost killed him. and that wasnt even in a fight you think he would have time to kamui it away and what not while under attack? wait you probly do

He. Already. Countered. It. Databook stated that Kamui let him phase through it. He doesn't need to warp it away. Go read the databook some time.

the speed of his kamui isnt instant so no matter how you look at it there is always room to escape if you are fast enough and if your prepared for it.

None of these people are fast enough to escape his Kamui so it doesn't matter if its not instant.

maaan your saying battle experiance doesnt matter? goin in the sig haha, i mean if you really believe that then there is no argument that will change your mind. go into a fight with someone who knows how to fight better than you, even if they are weaker id bet theyll own you. try an mma gym just for me please. or boxing kickboxing whatever and then tell me experience doesnt matter

and naruto wins becasue he has everyone to back him up and incredible power, but naruto is just as experianced as the rest i mean hes been fighting top level shinobi since zabuza and hes the number 1 unpredictable shinobi that helps negate experiance lol.

:sy: In this match up it isn't as important as you make it seem. Your example is garbage and doesn't apply in this case since both combatants of this debate know how to fight very well unlike your piss poor example, where you set one guy who knows how to fight and one who doesn't. Before you put anything in your sig, READ what the post says cause if you read it you would know I never said it didn't matter.

@bold: If you really think that then you better go re-read the manga. Naruto has as much battle experience as Madara? BS.

Just like all others who whine and complain about Kamui, you have failed to tell me how they hit Obito.

 

[Draphsin]

no no it took only THE fastest charactor by himself to BEAT obito. this is 1v1 im talking about to count the gedo and all that is stupid and makes the fight unfair obviously. thats like saying kabuto and his 40 edos could smash itachi by himelf, obviously they can.

and while im addressing this i would like to point out that nagato had rinnegan from young and made it his own, sasuke killed itachi himself so he has the right to take his eyes. what has obito done? he was given everything by madara, nagato and akatsuki captured all the bijuu, kabuto used HIS edo tensei for obitos use. i mean even obito killed konan to get to nagato so i guess he can claim the rinnegan.

o and remember konan? she forced obito to use izanagi without space time. i mean just because it isnt spelled out for you in big bold letters by kishi doesnt mean obito isnt beatable. use your head, if u had to fight obito would u just be like aw man i lose lol

1. Wrong, naruto had to get kamui'd in order to even touch obito. As it was already shown naruto can barely hit obito even in BM, obito is one of the fastest if not the fastest character in naruto. And lol dude the gedo mazou is a summoning, handicapping obito of his summon is like taking kurama from naruto, or animal paths summons (in fact any summon) U_U

And as for obito's jinjuriki paths, they are his 6PoP, if you dont count them then that means youre allowing obito to use the rinnegans abilities because he's not being handicapped by the restrictions of the paths. So that means obito without the jins can use all of the rinnegan's abilities which makes him just as OP as having 6 bijuu (well not quite but you get the point)

2. That doesnt matter, Naruto was given kurama by his father, does that mean he was just "given" everything. @Bold: youre right, because obito killed konan for the eyes he has more of a right to them than naruto does to kurama or kakashi with his sharingan, and even nagato with the rinnegan because they were "handed" those things, they never had to work for them as obito really worked his ass off for his eye.

3. This whole point is irrelevant because konan had plenty of time to study obito's jutsu and she even prepared a simulation and ran it multiple times (enough to even say that it never fails). But what happened? she still lost because obito had something up his sleve that even she didnt know about. Meaning that all of that prep that konan put into killing obito just went down the toilet

 

[yondaime4]

He. Already. Countered. It. Databook stated that Kamui let him phase through it. He doesn't need to warp it away. Go read the databook some time.



None of these people are fast enough to escape his Kamui so it doesn't matter if its not instant.




:sy: In this match up it isn't as important as you make it seem. Your example is garbage and doesn't apply in this case since both combatants of this debate know how to fight very well unlike your piss poor example, where you set one guy who knows how to fight and one who doesn't. Before you put anything in your sig, READ what the post says cause if you read it you would know I never said it didn't matter.

@bold: If you really think that then you better go re-read the manga. Naruto has as much battle experience as Madara? BS.

Just like all others who whine and complain about Kamui, you have failed to tell me how they hit Obito.

he countered itachis amaterasu i get that, my point is thats sasuke has Blaze Release which wouldnt be so easy to dodge. or i guess hell just phase through that too right.

ya no one is fast enough, thats your opinion bro until they get caught thats not fact

and battle experiance is very important in all fights is my point. its not the only thing but its important for sure as minato proved. he was able to analyze obito and counter him properly because he is so experianced in battle. and you said its not important in this matchup and im saying it is.

and obviously naruto isnt as experianced as madara but my point is that he has plenty experiance especially since he has fought kages and what not. if madara was the same age as naruto id say they have close to the same experiance although id still give the edge to madara as he lived in a time of constant war.

and i cant show you how obito will get hit because it hasnt happened yet, well minato got him and konan and even foo and torune, but sasuke has yet to beat his ass and madara imo is pretty dam close. but trust me if you think that obito will be the last man standing your wrong i can gaurantee you that.

1. Wrong, naruto had to get kamui'd in order to even touch obito. As it was already shown naruto can barely hit obito even in BM, obito is one of the fastest if not the fastest character in naruto. And lol dude the gedo mazou is a summoning, handicapping obito of his summon is like taking kurama from naruto, or animal paths summons (in fact any summon) U_U

And as for obito's jinjuriki paths, they are his 6PoP, if you dont count them then that means youre allowing obito to use the rinnegans abilities because he's not being handicapped by the restrictions of the paths. So that means obito without the jins can use all of the rinnegan's abilities which makes him just as OP as having 6 bijuu (well not quite but you get the point)

2. That doesnt matter, Naruto was given kurama by his father, does that mean he was just "given" everything. @Bold: youre right, because obito killed konan for the eyes he has more of a right to them than naruto does to kurama or kakashi with his sharingan, and even nagato with the rinnegan because they were "handed" those things, they never had to work for them as obito really worked his ass off for his eye.

3. This whole point is irrelevant because konan had plenty of time to study obito's jutsu and she even prepared a simulation and ran it multiple times (enough to even say that it never fails). But what happened? she still lost because obito had something up his sleve that even she didnt know about. Meaning that all of that prep that konan put into killing obito just went down the toilet

1 i was talking about minato, probly should have made that more clear.

2 the gedo is as much his summon as the ninetails, as he has had them both as a summon at differant points. and now that madara is around he doesnt own the gedo and well he doesnt have the kyuubi obviously.

you can count his rinnegan but surely he cant use it to its full extent with only one eye. so its both rinnegan eyes and no kamui or kamui and one rinnegan. and i guess this is speculation until proven otherwise, but when the fight started they all but confirmed obito doesnt have the same abilities as pain.

as for naruto and kurama you clearly missed the point. naruto has lived his whole life with kurama as nagato lived most of his with the rinnegan, and kakashi with sharingan. and over that time they made it theirs. naruto had to conquer his hate and go through the fight with kurama. kakashi had the sharingan from when he was young and its not even his main attack, i mean its his strongest but he has plenty other in his arsenal. and he killed rin to unlock ms when he was young too, so he had time to grow accustomed to it.

whatd obito do? he got killed woke up and had mokuton from madara. then saw kakashi kill rin and got kamui. then hid behind akatsuki while nagato did all the work and waited for nagato to die so that he could take the gedo. and the jins were all captured by akatsuki and the edos were kabutos. so my point is over time your learn how to use your abilities to their fullest, while obito aquires them without any work invovled which is why i dont think he is able to use them to thier full extent. i mean mokuton and kamui count for obito as he has always had them. but his rinnegan or well madaras and the gedo again madaras and the jins were all last minute additions and he almost got attack by his own jin, so they are as likely to turn on him as defend him.

and you think sasuke madara itachi and nagato havent seen obitos techs? i mean cmon man im sure they all in their head have considered fighting obito, maybe not nagato but definitely itachi sasuke and madara.

 

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

Can't kill what you can't touch.

Obito >Nagato, Sasuke, Itachi, Madara

are we even reading the same manga? He could only stay intangible for 5 minutes at best. I am also sure that kamui uses quite a bit of chakra as well.

EMS Sasuke, Rinnegan + EMS Madara take this with mid difficulty

 

[KidGamer65]

he countered itachis amaterasu i get that, my point is thats sasuke has Blaze Release which wouldnt be so easy to dodge. or i guess hell just phase through that too right.

Enton is the manipulation of Amaterasu in a slower form. If the faster one couldn't hit him, the slower one isn't going to hit him either. Common sense.

ya no one is fast enough, thats your opinion bro until they get caught thats not fact

Nope. It is fact, that's why you can't prove me wrong. Show me scans that have speed feats that let them escape Kamui while they are being warped. I'll be waiting.

and battle experiance is very important in all fights is my point. its not the only thing but its important for sure as minato proved. he was able to analyze obito and counter him properly because he is so experianced in battle. and you said its not important in this matchup and im saying it is.

It really isn't, but you can think whatever you want, experience isn't going to give them the power to magically hit Obito.

and i cant show you how obito will get hit because it hasnt happened yet, well minato got him and konan and even foo and torune, but sasuke has yet to beat his ass and madara imo is pretty dam close. but trust me if you think that obito will be the last man standing your wrong i can gaurantee you that.

Minato got him due to FTG, hitting him the instant he attacks.
Konan got him due to exhausting his 5 min time limit and by attacking him while he was warping her through paper bombs.
Fu and Torune only got him because Obito touched Torune's bugs after he tried to hit him.

You've STILL failed to explain what they could do to hit him. When you have a real argument and not this BS with you whining and complaining about Kamui, then I'll reply again.

 

[Draphsin]

1 i was talking about minato, probly should have made that more clear.

2 the gedo is as much his summon as the ninetails, as he has had them both as a summon at differant points. and now that madara is around he doesnt own the gedo and well he doesnt have the kyuubi obviously.

you can count his rinnegan but surely he cant use it to its full extent with only one eye. so its both rinnegan eyes and no kamui or kamui and one rinnegan. and i guess this is speculation until proven otherwise, but when the fight started they all but confirmed obito doesnt have the same abilities as pain.

as for naruto and kurama you clearly missed the point. naruto has lived his whole life with kurama as nagato lived most of his with the rinnegan, and kakashi with sharingan. and over that time they made it theirs. naruto had to conquer his hate and go through the fight with kurama. kakashi had the sharingan from when he was young and its not even his main attack, i mean its his strongest but he has plenty other in his arsenal. and he killed rin to unlock ms when he was young too, so he had time to grow accustomed to it.

whatd obito do? he got killed woke up and had mokuton from madara. then saw kakashi kill rin and got kamui. then hid behind akatsuki while nagato did all the work and waited for nagato to die so that he could take the gedo. and the jins were all captured by akatsuki and the edos were kabutos. so my point is over time your learn how to use your abilities to their fullest, while obito aquires them without any work invovled which is why i dont think he is able to use them to thier full extent. i mean mokuton and kamui count for obito as he has always had them. but his rinnegan or well madaras and the gedo again madaras and the jins were all last minute additions and he almost got attack by his own jin, so they are as likely to turn on him as defend him.

and you think sasuke madara itachi and nagato havent seen obitos techs? i mean cmon man im sure they all in their head have considered fighting obito, maybe not nagato but definitely itachi sasuke and madara.

1. Minato needed s/t to be able to hit obito, i already stated that s/t is obito's ONLY weakness otherwise he cant be touched

2. No dude youre wrong and being biased against obito. The gedo mazou is a technique granted to any user of the rinnegan. Obito is a user of the rinnegan, therefore he has the gedo mazou, just as jinjuriki have their bijuu there is no difference....

3. Wrong, Obito has human path (one of pains abilities)

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and he couldnt use the other Paths of pain simply because he was using his outer path to control them and couldnt use any jutsus (that they already had counters for)

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4. wtf.....soooo much bias...do you remember how old obito was when he got mokuton and MS? he was 14! He had 16 more years to grow accustomed to his abilities and increase his hatred. Oh FYI kakashi wouldnt even have MS without obito because it was his traumatic experience that triggered it for both of them...Meaning that kakashi was not only given sharingan, but MS too...And think about it for a sec, naruto was born with kurama, obito had to escape a near death situation before he was even given mokuton, let alone his MS. Obito has definitely earned his powers more than naruto and to say he hasn't is just plain ignorant.

5. @Bold: you dont read the manga do you? obito has been working his ass off (uchiha massacre, bloody mist, founding of akatsuki, kurama's attack, converting sasuke to evil, potentially converting nagato to evil) more than any other character in the series. He is the whole reason why the plot is the way it is, its just an accumulation of his decisions....

6. This is wrong too, obito never used kamui in front of the other akatsuki members

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, meaning they would never have enough prep time to form a strategy that could possibly kill obito

 

[yondaime4]

1. Minato needed s/t to be able to hit obito, i already stated that s/t is obito's ONLY weakness otherwise he cant be touched

2. No dude youre wrong and being biased against obito. The gedo mazou is a technique granted to any user of the rinnegan. Obito is a user of the rinnegan, therefore he has the gedo mazou, just as jinjuriki have their bijuu there is no difference....

3. Wrong, Obito has human path (one of pains abilities)

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and he couldnt use the other Paths of pain simply because he was using his outer path to control them and couldnt use any jutsus (that they already had counters for)

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4. wtf.....soooo much bias...do you remember how old obito was when he got mokuton and MS? he was 14! He had 16 more years to grow accustomed to his abilities and increase his hatred. Oh FYI kakashi wouldnt even have MS without obito because it was his traumatic experience that triggered it for both of them...Meaning that kakashi was not only given sharingan, but MS too...And think about it for a sec, naruto was born with kurama, obito had to escape a near death situation before he was even given mokuton, let alone his MS. Obito has definitely earned his powers more than naruto and to say he hasn't is just plain ignorant.

5. @Bold: you dont read the manga do you? obito has been working his ass off (uchiha massacre, bloody mist, founding of akatsuki, kurama's attack, converting sasuke to evil, potentially converting nagato to evil) more than any other character in the series. He is the whole reason why the plot is the way it is, its just an accumulation of his decisions....

6. This is wrong too, obito never used kamui in front of the other akatsuki members

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, meaning they would never have enough prep time to form a strategy that could possibly kill obito

s/t is not his only weakness as konan foo and torune landed hits with deception thats why i say experiance is important to decieve obito into becoming solid and leaving himself open to be attacked. you think without ftg minato wouldnt have come up with another plan? thats my whole point about top class shinobi like i mentioned they all have great feats in battle because they are smart and powerful. and i thnk obito isnt as smart, beause everything he accomplished was piggybacked off of other people. anyway im done with this, theres no point to this debate as its just goin in cirlces, i mean if your going to count the gedo and the jins then yes obito is stronger end of story.

didnt i say mokuton and ms are the ones include because he always had them? its the rinnegan gedo and the jins i have a problem with.

and yes i agree obito is a smooth talker, but im talking battle experiance which he doesnt have much of compared to those that i mentioned

that page is irrelevant because its talking about his MS and kamui isnt his ms tech or else how did he meet madara in the first place?

Enton is the manipulation of Amaterasu in a slower form. If the faster one couldn't hit him, the slower one isn't going to hit him either. Common sense.


Nope. It is fact, that's why you can't prove me wrong. Show me scans that have speed feats that let them escape Kamui while they are being warped. I'll be waiting.



It really isn't, but you can think whatever you want, experience isn't going to give them the power to magically hit Obito.



Minato got him due to FTG, hitting him the instant he attacks.
Konan got him due to exhausting his 5 min time limit and by attacking him while he was warping her through paper bombs.
Fu and Torune only got him because Obito touched Torune's bugs after he tried to hit him.

You've STILL failed to explain what they could do to hit him. When you have a real argument and not this BS with you whining and complaining about Kamui, then I'll reply again.

it did hit him thats why he screamed but he managed to kamui himself free or whatever, my point is that sasuke can control and manipulate the flame into a constant attack that will work. or he could use the foo torune method and let obito touch him only to get burned. or he could use a clone and when obito becomes solid to attack the clone hit him from another angle i mean there are plenty of ways to go about it but because you havent SEEN them yet i guess im wrong. your annoying and we are just goin in circles so im not gona come back to this lol tired of repeating myself to people who just ignore what i say.

 

[KidGamer65]

s/t is not his only weakness as konan foo and torune landed hits with deception thats why i say experiance is important to decieve obito into becoming solid and leaving himself open to be attacked. you think without ftg minato wouldnt have come up with another plan? thats my whole point about top class shinobi like i mentioned they all have great feats in battle because they are smart and powerful. and i thnk obito isnt as smart, beause everything he accomplished was piggybacked off of other people. anyway im done with this, theres no point to this debate as its just goin in cirlces, i mean if your going to count the gedo and the jins then yes obito is stronger end of story.

it did hit him thats why he screamed but he managed to kamui himself free or whatever, my point is that sasuke can control and manipulate the flame into a constant attack that will work. or he could use the foo torune method and let obito touch him only to get burned. or he could use a clone and when obito becomes solid to attack the clone hit him from another angle i mean there are plenty of ways to go about it but because you havent SEEN them yet i guess im wrong. your annoying and we are just goin in circles so im not gona come back to this lol tired of repeating myself to people who just ignore what i say.

:sy: Still failed to say anything that hasn't already been countered. I don't feel like wasting my time on someone who can't even come up with a coherent argument.

Keep on whining and complaining about Kamui.

 

[yondaime4]

s/t is not his only weakness as konan foo and torune landed hits with deception thats why i say experiance is important to decieve obito into becoming solid and leaving himself open to be attacked. you think without ftg minato wouldnt have come up with another plan? thats my whole point about top class shinobi like i mentioned they all have great feats in battle because they are smart and powerful. and i thnk obito isnt as smart, beause everything he accomplished was piggybacked off of other people. anyway im done with this, theres no point to this debate as its just goin in cirlces, i mean if your going to count the gedo and the jins then yes obito is stronger end of story.



:sy: Still failed to say anything that hasn't already been countered. I don't feel like wasting my time on someone who can't even come up with a coherent argument.

Keep on whining and complaining about Kamui.

bro be honest no matter what i say your going to call me a whiner and complainer like your so smart and im dumb haha. its cool just proves you to be a narrowminded fanboy.

just wait obito is going to die and even then your going to say hes still the strongest cuz kamui can warp anything and everything and nothing can hit him cuz he has kamui.

i mean if you cant think of a way to beat obito that just means ur a tool and have no imagination is all, doesnt bother me none, call me what you want but the end of they day id kick obitos ass and youd get ur ass handed to u haha

 

[foxyladyland]

id luv too : )
luckily minato was smart?

cant blame ya, but if Minato was so smart....he wouldve been over by now! huh hmm

 

[yondaime4]

cant blame ya, but if Minato was so smart....he wouldve been over by now! huh hmm

I think i like you lol

 

[Omnipotent]

Nah, only EMS Madara is above Obito.

 

[BigBlade Master]

I disagree, only Madara is stronger.

 

[yondaime4]

Nah, only EMS Madara is above Obito.

what makes ems madara so much better than ems sasuke?

 

[yondaime4]

I disagree, only Madara is stronger.

Back up your statement. why can madara beat him and no one else?