Madara does not have Amaterasu or tsukuyomi!

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for someone like madara... so powerful and proud....he thinks low of Amaterasu or tsukuyomi technique...thats why he dont use..lol :D
his susanoo proves his ability to use these jutsus but he dont
 

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Madara is being Crippled, he def has Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi also he can fully use the Rinnegan, he taught Obito how to use all of the Jutsu plus how to use the Six Paths of Pain tech, He isn't using all of them because that would be far too much for anyone, He can't be beaten as is.
 

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You dont need Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. All you need for Susannoo is both eyes as MS. Sasuke said "those who control the double mangekyo can awaken it"
AAAnd here is the page:



Did he say Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi? No! Even Shi said that one of his eyes is Amaterasu and the other eye has the ability to control it.

Here we see that Sasuke's left eye is Amaterasu:



Here, while using right eye, using Enton to control them:



We haven't seen Sasuke using Tsukuyomi. Even in battle with Kabuto, when with Itachi they cast genjutsu on each other, Itachi said Tsukuyomi and Sasuke said Genjutsu: Sharingan even though he was using EMS back then.

So Madara might have some unknown EMS abilities apart from Susannoo.
 

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To unlock sauusnao you need amaterasu and tsukioymi this has already been confirmed

Both justu make up tsukiyomi

But just because you have those two doesn't mean you will unlock suusanoo


madara used tsukiyomi to show obito the world in which he can create anything.

sasuke and itachi used tsukiyomi on each other to break out of the genjustu kabuto put them in

/thread
 

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You dont need Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. All you need for Susannoo is both eyes as MS. Sasuke said "those who control the double mangekyo can awaken it"
AAAnd here is the page:



Did he say Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi? No! Even Shi said that one of his eyes is Amaterasu and the other eye has the ability to control it.

Here we see that Sasuke's left eye is Amaterasu:



Here, while using right eye, using Enton to control them:



We haven't seen Sasuke using Tsukuyomi. Even in battle with Kabuto, when with Itachi they cast genjutsu on each other, Itachi said Tsukuyomi and Sasuke said Genjutsu: Sharingan even though he was using EMS back then.

So Madara might have some unknown EMS abilities apart from Susannoo.
Lets see here
1. You need a man and woman to make a baby.
2. You need two people to make a baby
Does statement one contradict or negate statement 2? No! Statement 1 is just more specific. Sasuke saying you need double mangekyo doesnt contradict the databook statement that specifically says you need both amaterasu and tsukiyomi
 

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You dont need Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. All you need for Susannoo is both eyes as MS. Sasuke said "those who control the double mangekyo can awaken it"
AAAnd here is the page:



Did he say Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi? No! Even Shi said that one of his eyes is Amaterasu and the other eye has the ability to control it.

Here we see that Sasuke's left eye is Amaterasu:



Here, while using right eye, using Enton to control them:



We haven't seen Sasuke using Tsukuyomi. Even in battle with Kabuto, when with Itachi they cast genjutsu on each other, Itachi said Tsukuyomi and Sasuke said Genjutsu: Sharingan even though he was using EMS back then.

So Madara might have some unknown EMS abilities apart from Susannoo.
THIS
 

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I'm confident it'll soon be revealed that the requirements for having Susanno'O will be unlocking 2 different abilities in each eye. That would explain why it's so rare, because both of the Uchia we know of that don't have it have the same ability in each eye.

I just don't buy that Madara doesn't want to use it. He flexed much more powerful abilities and much weaker ones. He's fighting a guy who uses trees and he's not going to douse them in unending flames?

This wouldn't be the first time Kishi changed his mind on what he put in the databook. The Manga's plot has evolved and the db is outdated.
 
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I dont think Madara has amaterasu, but he does have tsukiyomi otherwise the whole plan wouldn't be plausible. Itachi stated that susanoo'o was the third power that took root in his eyes...never stating requirements (I guess people cant read). Someone as arrogant as Madara would stand there and amaterasu the whole alliance with his arms folded if possible. I believe the real requirement is to obtain 2 seperate powers.
 
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Itachi clearly stated, twice by Sasuke; One needs to unlock the Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi, in order to achieve Susanoó.
It's pretty obvious Madara has both techs.
Itachi only said that it is the third technique, along with Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, not that you need espacially those two.
 

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I'm confident it'll soon be revealed that the requirements for having Susanno'O will be unlocking 2 different abilities in each eye. That would explain why it's so rare, because both of the Uchia we know of that don't have it have the same ability in each eye.

I just don't buy that Madara doesn't want to use it. He flexed much more powerful abilities and much weaker ones. He's fighting a guy who uses trees and he's not going to douse them in unending flames?

This wouldn't be the first time Kishi changed his mind on what he put in the databook. The Manga's plot has evolved and the db is outdated.
THIS. Also if madara has both then all mangekyo users should have Amaterasu and tsukuyomi
 
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Lets see here
1. You need a man and woman to make a baby.
2. You need two people to make a baby
Does statement one contradict or negate statement 2? No! Statement 1 is just more specific. Sasuke saying you need double mangekyo doesnt contradict the databook statement that specifically says you need both amaterasu and tsukiyomi
Did you even read this post? I said that Sasuke doesn't have tsukuyomi, therefore it is not essential for awakening Susannoo.

If he had tsukuyomi, why did he use "Genjutsu: Sharingan" on Itachi during the fight with Kabuto instead of casting the same jutsu as his brother? He had EMS activated:

 
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