[Spoilers] Why couldn't Tobirama break free?

[yoshimitsu]

When trying to make his escape, Orochimaru stops Tobirama dead in his tracks. Hashirama praises Orochimaru because he was able to use senju cells to strengthen his bond with edo-tensei.

So we know it's a question of senju cells/releasing signs and not excessive chakra to break out of edo-tensei.

Why, then, wasn't Tobirama able to escape? He is also senju and brother to Hashirama.

Are Hashirama's cells so unique that they allow him to break free of edo-tensei with ease?
Well, however unique his cells are, they don't explain how Hashirama was able to escape whilst Orochimaru tried to restrain him (and Oro's current body structure is mostly made up of Hashirama cells too, having eaten a Zetsu).
And since Oro is nested in a Zetsu body, one would expect a showdown or at least a struggle to break free of senju-reinforced edo-tensei. But Hashirama just walks all over his brother's improved technique.

Lame right? Or did I miss something..

 

[Noni]

he just doesnt have a will power strong enough to break through orochimaru's jutsu
but hashirama did

 

[3MESSIAH]

he should break free...now that he didnt he looks like a fodder again

 

[yoshimitsu]

he just doesnt have a will power strong enough to break through orochimaru's jutsu
but hashirama did

That's complete nonsense. Tobi was the first to react to Sasuke. He has plenty of will power.

 

[StrifeMaccy]

I believe it was the fact that Hashirama is more powerful, he could simply release enough chakra to break the bonds that Orochimaru placed upon him. Tobirama stated that he could escape this time as his powers were almost full, but Orochimaru only kept control due to his body have Hashirama cells.
Hashiramas will, strength and cells all contributed to him being free. We've seen other Edo'd characters break free through will power.

 

[Zoids]

Well it is his cells well /Zetsu to... also he is just a beast. Can't really explain what I said in the first sentence lol but I hope you know what Ian talking about

 

[Armathyx]

he should break free...now that he didnt he looks like a fodder again

He's fodder though you know,

I doubt he's anywhere in the same league as Hashirama, more like a regular kage.

 

[fahadkurama]

I believe it was the fact that Hashirama is more powerful, he could simply release enough chakra to break the bonds that Orochimaru placed upon him. Tobirama stated that he could escape this time as his powers were almost full, but Orochimaru only kept control due to his body have Hashirama cells.
Hashiramas will, strength and cells all contributed to him being free. We've seen other Edo'd characters break free through will power.

You said it all.

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

hashi cells not senju cells.....

everyone gets confused zetsu is made from hashi not any senju ...hashi is the only shinobi we've seen naturally born with wood style....so hashi in particular has special DNA madara needed hashi DNA not senju DNA danzou needed hashi DNA not senju DNA.....senju DNA is useless.....hashi DNA is the best....due to kk genkai

 

[yoshimitsu]

I believe it was the fact that Hashirama is more powerful, he could simply release enough chakra to break the bonds that Orochimaru placed upon him. Tobirama stated that he could escape this time as his powers were almost full, but Orochimaru only kept control due to his body have Hashirama cells.
Hashiramas will, strength and cells all contributed to him being free. We've seen other Edo'd characters break free through will power.

Assuming you are correct that it's purely based on chakra reserves (which I think is not because Madara had to wait for Kabuto to release edo-tensei before he could re-attach himself, and Madara is one strong monkey) then it would be safe to assume Hashirama has megatons more chakra than all other Kages, as well as Oro and Sasuke.

This late in the series, I don't see the point in making Sasuke look even weaker. We already know he's nowhere near Naruto's level; he would have died to Kabuto if it weren't for Itachi.

It may be entertaining to have edo-Hashirama duke it out with edo-Madara, but that's seems highly unlikely that Kishi intends to make them the final arc. That being said, why make Sasuke look so weak at such a critical point?

 

[MisterX]

at least Oro has some way of stopping them Hashirama, Oro can release Edo Tensei if he's fast enough, and then buy buy Hokages..

I mean the fact that he can't control him doesn't mean that Hashi released himself from being released. that sounded stupid.. but you know what I mean.

But Tobirama must know the hand signs and can tell hashirama how to release himself completely..

So Idk what Oro what thinking when he Edoed them..

 

[yoshimitsu]

hashi cells not senju cells.....

everyone gets confused zetsu is made from hashi not any senju ...hashi is the only shinobi we've seen naturally born with wood style....so hashi in particular has special DNA madara needed hashi DNA not senju DNA danzou needed hashi DNA not senju DNA.....senju DNA is useless.....hashi DNA is the best....due to kk genkai

There is also a clear discrepancy in the way I employ senju dna and Hashirama dna, you should read what I wrote again.

And Danzo did have Hashirama cells, not senju cells. That's why he had Hashi's face on his shoulder and why Madara has him on his chest.

 

[Kristjan]

at least Oro has some way of stopping them Hashirama, Oro can release Edo Tensei if he's fast enough, and then buy buy Hokages..

I mean the fact that he can't control him doesn't mean that Hashi released himself from being released. that sounded stupid.. but you know what I mean.



But Tobirama must know the hand signs and can tell hashirama how to release himself completely..

So Idk what Oro what thinking when he Edoed them..

yeah prob happens the same thing that happend with madara if oro releases edo tensei. Hashi and tobirama and hiruzen defenetly but dont know about minato releasing himelf after edo is canceld.

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

There is also a clear discrepancy in the way I employ senju dna and Hashirama dna, you should read what I wrote again.

And Danzo did have Hashirama cells, not senju cells. That's why he had Hashi's face on his shoulder and why Madara has him on his chest.

if i did not quote you then it was a public post....that was just for FYI but since you want to have a lil attitude i'll school ya a a bit.

so you say why did hashi or is hashi DNA that unique that he can escape from the edo???

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obviously oro used hashi DNA to make the restrain on edo way better....oh but do you think it's gonna work on the guy he took the DNA from??? c'mon bro.

 

[aznflyer14]

For all we know... Hashirama may have allowed Orochimaru to keep Tobirama in check despite a full knowledge of his cells being cultivated to create clones in White Zetsu and thus, breaking away from Orochimaru's control of Edo Tensei with a relative ease. I would not be surprised that Hashirama would help Tobirama to break free and enter the battlefield.

 

[yoshimitsu]

For all we know... Hashirama may have allowed Orochimaru to keep Tobirama in check despite a full knowledge of his cells being cultivated to create clones in White Zetsu and thus, breaking away from Orochimaru's control of Edo Tensei with a relative ease. I would not be surprised that Hashirama would help Tobirama to break free and enter the battlefield.

I don't quite understand, could you rephrase?

 

[r00r]

I thought I explained this already...


Apparently they've have been brought back at almost their full power. Hashirama seems to be strong enough through will and sheer power to resist the control strengths of edo tensei. It does not mean he has released himself like Madara did. Remember, Madara released himself from edo tensei when Itachi released the jutsu and Madara's soul was starting to leave the body it was attached to. I'm not a Hashirama fanboy or anything I'm just stating what we've seen so far.

 

[beast7960]

When trying to make his escape, Orochimaru stops Tobirama dead in his tracks. Hashirama praises Orochimaru because he was able to use senju cells to strengthen his bond with edo-tensei.

So we know it's a question of senju cells/releasing signs and not excessive chakra to break out of edo-tensei.

Why, then, wasn't Tobirama able to escape? He is also senju and brother to Hashirama.

Are Hashirama's cells so unique that they allow him to break free of edo-tensei with ease?
Well, however unique his cells are, they don't explain how Hashirama was able to escape whilst Orochimaru tried to restrain him (and Oro's current body structure is mostly made up of Hashirama cells too, having eaten a Zetsu).
And since Oro is nested in a Zetsu body, one would expect a showdown or at least a struggle to break free of senju-reinforced edo-tensei. But Hashirama just walks all over his brother's improved technique.

Lame right? Or did I miss something..

Mainly to show that hashi is on a completely different level then tobirama. Madara was able to completely break free from edo tensei, so naturally his counter part hashi should also be able to overcome edo tensei.

 

[yoshimitsu]

I thought I explained this already...


Apparently they've have been brought back at almost their full power. Hashirama seems to be strong enough through will and sheer power to resist the control strengths of edo tensei. It does not mean he has released himself like Madara did. Remember, Madara released himself from edo tensei when Itachi released the jutsu and Madara's soul was starting to leave the body it was attached to. I'm not a Hashirama fanboy or anything I'm just stating what we've seen so far.

It is not sheer power that allowed Hashirama to break free. If so, why didn't we see him go all SSJ or something, showing that he forcibly resisted Orochimaru. And yes, he is free from Oro's grip as seen in his thoughts ("he is different... he broke my restraint..").

And your second point seems unfinished. What exactly are you claiming? Madara was only able to re-attach himself after Itachi made Kabuto undo all his edo summons. Whether or not Madara could have done those seals prior to Itachi's involvement is something we will never know. What we do know is that Madara did not forcibly resist edo tensei by virtue of his strength. And as we all know, he is one strong monkey. He compares his strength to that of Hashirama's, yet neither of them displayed any form of excessive chakra release when breaking free of edo tensei.

 

[yoshimitsu]

Mainly to show that hashi is on a completely different level then tobirama. Madara was able to completely break free from edo tensei, so naturally his counter part hashi should also be able to overcome edo tensei.

Well it seems I'm the only one thinking it wasn't entirely due to physical strength. Perhaps I'm way off, but from my perspective (as a reader) I sure don't want the series' climax to be 2 super-powered, never-really-developed characters, to duke it out.


edit: I read Bleach but not because I like it. I enjoy the very bad plots and comparing that story-as-you-go writer Tite Kubo to Kishi. And in the newest Bleach, they are doing exactly what I said would suck if Naruto did; have 2 super-powered, never-really-developed characters duke it out... Bleach is so bad.