[VS] Zorro vs Law

[TRE MERCER]

Law says, and I quote, "mine were plain old chains." The others' chains were still Seastone, his was the only one he had made the swap with. Don't you think Luffy would have been able to tell the chains on his body were ordinary chains, and not Seastone, given that touching Seastone produces a VASTLY different sensation than touching steel for DF users?

Secondly, Law made the G-5 Battleship float with his DF. It was stated that all Marine Battleships have Seastone lining the bottoms so they can pass through the oceans without being attacked by Sea Kings.




Oda has stated that water period will affect DF users, not just seawater. So freshwater, seawater, and the White Sea in Skypeia all stop DF users from using their powers. Seastone was stated to work through radiating the same energy as the sea, and is the sea in solid form.

Now, given that all water works just as the sea does, and Seastone is the sea in solid form...well, I'm sure you can do the math.

This plus those guys knocked Luffy and Robin in the water and they almost drowned.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

If Law isn't capable of taking Smoker's jitte, he's not doing it to Zoro.

Law has the edge as of now. I am positive that Zoro'll be the superior of the two when he finally goes all out in Wano.





These things never happened in the manga. He simply jumped out of the pit(He took the stance that we usually take after jumping"Safe landing or however the hell they call it") then took a deep breath and that was the end of it.

None of zoro swords r made out of sea stone so idk why u made that comment if he can switch puffy and info (idk which he switched before for red hawk) then he can teleport 3 swords..

 

[chopstickchakra]

None of zoro swords r made out of sea stone so idk why u made that comment if he can switch puffy and info (idk which he switched before for red hawk) then he can teleport 3 swords..

Puffy and Info?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Puffy and Info?

Luffy and probably meant Mingo. Don't be an ass.

 

[Hexuze]

Law beats the overwanked moss head at mid diff.

Next.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Luffy and probably meant Mingo. Don't be an ass.

Wasn't being an ass, completely anyway I thought Puffy may have been Luffy but then I thought maybe it was auto correct of Doffy and I couldn't think of what Info was cus I'm not used to calling him Mingo. Relax, guy there wasn't even any follow up wording to imply condescension, if you gleaned any that's on you.

 

[Bogard]

Wasn't being an ass, completely anyway I thought Puffy may have been Luffy but then I thought maybe it was auto correct of Doffy and I couldn't think of what Info was cus I'm not used to calling him Mingo. Relax, guy there wasn't even any follow up wording to imply condescension, if you gleaned any that's on you.

I wonder how the auto-correct works with Mingo though. I sometimes have that Puffy auto-correct too, but the "Info" thing is something new. By the way since when is the "ass" not censored anymore?

 

[chopstickchakra]

I wonder how the auto-correct works with Mingo though. I sometimes have that Puffy auto-correct too, but the "Info" thing is something new. By the way since when is the "ass" not censored anymore?

huh idk didn't even really notice it used to be *'d. Not sure about the auto correct either, now that Riker says it I see it but at first Mingo for Info never even crossed my mind.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Room, shambles on swords, Zoro becomes useless. Law wins.

And zoro just stands there and do nothing? Come one man, you gotta be a lot more creative than that.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Luffy said 'My haki is weak against "this" kind of attacks' while referring to a bite. It was a sharp attack but not a slashing type like the one Doflamingo used. But I can see where you're getting at. Nonetheless, the attack Luffy failed to block and the one which Law blocked don't work the same way. A more powerful version of the attack used on Law when imbued with haki barely made Luffy bleed.{

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} Not to mention, the very same attack which Doflamingo used on Law had done barely any damage to an unprotected Luffy or even Sanji for that matter. {

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} So wasn't all that impressive here.


Not to mention, Luffy has fair share of feats blocking sharp attacks from causing damage.

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} You're completely ignoring the way these attacks work and how strong the said attacks are for the sake of making Law look better here. Doflamingo's hand was cut inside Law's room, that too because he was tightening his grip not because Law's superior haki or anything.




I didn't say it was light speed, But the fact that they were hyped to be very fast remains the same regardless of whether or not it was actually LS. Oda wouldn't bother hyping it to be fast if it's your usual mediocre attack, would he?

Btw, an extremely weakened Zoro dodged a laser from Kuma at point blank range.


This is exactly what I was trying to imply with the first sentence. You were simply listing Law's abilities as if they're guaranteed to work on Zoro or something(Everyone on Law's side is doing pretty much the same). So I did the exact opposite of what they're doing.

Then what is it that you disagreed with my quote on? Oda hypes the power of enemies and even that of the protagonists so much. Saying zoro got reaction speed because he dodged an attack that moves in light speed is wrong. Saying extremely fast is a better description.

Zoro was also injuried and weakened when he dodged the paw...I don't see the difference, if anything being introduced as "kizarus lasers" seemed like hype to me as well

 

[Bogard]

Why does it matter if the pad cannons were lightspeed or not? Not even the point of the hype... Funny how people have to cling onto meaningless things so badly due to saltiness of the realisation Zoro isn't as slow as they want him to be. Same saltiness happening over the realisation Oda made Zoro defeat all his opponents since the timeskip and replicated Law's best feat, while reserving his full power for later(at the very least without the mention of a post-timeskip Asura yet).

Same saltiness over the feat where Zoro overcomes an admiral attack pushing him back. Same saltiness happening everytime he gets compared to Luffy or Law both in the manga(by Oda's manga characters) or in forums. What people don't understand is that Zoro's character is created so that he is a little bit in the middle of everything, so the multiple comparisons happening with respective characters in the vicenery of his upper echellon(Luffy) makes sense especially when they are portrayed to be below him like Law

Not Zoro's fault if it's Oda himself who wanks him. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Why does it matter if the pad cannons were lightspeed or not? Not even the point of the hype... Funny how people have to cling onto meaningless things so badly due to saltiness of the realisation Zoro isn't as slow as they want him to be. Same saltiness happening over the realisation Oda made Zoro defeat all his opponents since the timeskip and replicated Law's best feat, while reserving his full power for later(at the very least without the mention of a post-timeskip Asura yet).

Same saltiness over the feat where Zoro overcomes an admiral attack pushing him back. Same saltiness happening everytime he gets compared to Luffy or Law both in the manga(by Oda's manga characters) or in forums. What people don't understand is that Zoro's character is created so that he is a little bit in the middle of everything, so the multiple comparisons happening with respective characters in the vicenery of his upper echellon(Luffy) makes sense especially when they are portrayed to be below him like Law

Not Zoro's fault if it's Oda himself who wanks him. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Zoro didn't push back Fujitora. That "trail" was just his flying slash dying off.

 

[A v i]

Then what is it that you disagreed with my quote on? Oda hypes the power of enemies and even that of the protagonists so much. Saying zoro got reaction speed because he dodged an attack that moves in light speed is wrong. Saying extremely fast is a better description.

Zoro was also injuried and weakened when he dodged the paw...I don't see the difference, if anything being introduced as "kizarus lasers" seemed like hype to me as well

I didn't disagree with anything. I simply pointed out that it was extremely fast for pre TS standards regardless of whether if it was LS or not.

Zoro dodged laser after when he took Ursus shock. The lasers were hyped as much as Kuma's attack though.

Zoro didn't push back Fujitora. That "trail" was just his flying slash dying off.

Fujitora was right next to the pit when he was attacking Zoro, and he was a couple of meter away from it when Zoro jumped back.

None of zoro swords r made out of sea stone so idk why u made that comment if he can switch puffy and info (idk which he switched before for red hawk) then he can teleport 3 swords..

Neither was Smoker's jitte, Only the tip of it was made of sea stone not the whole thing. Whatever the reason Law may have to not take off his weapon from him applies to Zoro as well. Because Zoro is both better fighter and a better match up for Law.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Why does it matter if the pad cannons were lightspeed or not? Not even the point of the hype... Funny how people have to cling onto meaningless things so badly due to saltiness of the realisation Zoro isn't as slow as they want him to be. Same saltiness happening over the realisation Oda made Zoro defeat all his opponents since the timeskip and replicated Law's best feat, while reserving his full power for later(at the very least without the mention of a post-timeskip Asura yet).

Same saltiness over the feat where Zoro overcomes an admiral attack pushing him back. Same saltiness happening everytime he gets compared to Luffy or Law both in the manga(by Oda's manga characters) or in forums. What people don't understand is that Zoro's character is created so that he is a little bit in the middle of everything, so the multiple comparisons happening with respective characters in the vicenery of his upper echellon(Luffy) makes sense especially when they are portrayed to be below him like Law

Not Zoro's fault if it's Oda himself who wanks him. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Zoro replicated Law best feat? Pica is no where near as big as punk Hazard stop.

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Don't compare the 2.

 

[HashiraMadara]

@bold Fuji did it easy Zoro can too, so Zoro = Fuji? And you take shots at my logic? Right.

You seem to be not aware of something called trolling :sdo:

 

[A v i]

I hope you understand that Vergo's haki is > Smokers. And Smoker managed to block his attacks, so its a given Vergo could aswell.

If you're talking about simply blocking his regular swings with Haki? That much is a given, Smoker can do it, Doflamingo can do it, plenty of characters with haki can do that.

I'm talking about his high end moves, I have no reason to believe Law's haki was > Vergo, heck I'm not even sure Law used Haki on Vergo when he cut him in half.

Zoro's haki is not gonna protect him from a mountain level slash. Nor is it protecting him from being sliced in half on regular swings without a proper defense (for example if Law gets past Zoro's swords, Zoro is getting sliced, he's not gonna sit there and tank it).

This is where the problem starts, people talk as if it is impossible to block Law's attacks for any character just because Vergo failed to do so. I can probably never understand the logic behind it. Manga made it explicit that strong enough haki can block Law's attacks. I'll say this again, Vergo's haki was simply not enough to block an attack with mountain range. On the other hand, Zoro himself is a mountain buster. If we're talking about Zoro just sitting there and blocking it via haki alone instead of using an attack of his own, then he wouldn't be able to block it like you implied, But there is an option called blocking an attack with an attack of your own. Nothing in the manga implies that a mountain range attack couldn't block an attack of the same range from Law.

In fact, Law's multi building level attacks were being blocked by very casual attacks of Smoker. Smoker's attacks probably aren't as destructive as Law's. So you don't actually need attacks of the same range to block them. Not to mention, Zoro can spam his attacks like there is no tomorrow. Law on the other hand never proved himself to be capable of sustaining mountain ranged room for an extended period of time in a battle.

Doflamingo attacks Law with sharp attack without hardening = Hardened

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with no damage

Law attacks Doflamingo with sharp attack without hardening = Hardened

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just from grabbing his blade.

I can't remember in this manga there being such a clear cut comparison to be made in terms of haki, both defenders were attacked with non hardened attacks, both defenders used hardening to defend, and both faced a sharp object. If this doesn't convince people that Doflamingo's armament haki was at the least not stronger than Law's then I don't know what does.

I already explaining this in one of my previous posts. There are loads of differences b/w the two. It wasn't a direct comparison in any manner of sense. You're comparing an attack which literally ignores durability with an attack which was blocked at the initial stage of it's execution.

In Doflamingo's case, it was sword not strings, it happened inside room, Joker caught the sword when he was trying to impale him and he was intentionally tightening his grip out of anger. How do you translate it as him having inferior haki? Doflamingo kicked Luffy with a haki imbued attack of same nature, it barely made the the guy who's haki is particularly weak against sharp attacks bleed. The attack in particular wasn't that effective even when used against people who're not offering any defense. The best it proves is that his haki isn't good enough for Law's attacks inside room.

Zoro replicated Law best feat? Pica is no where near as big as punk Hazard stop.

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Don't compare the 2.

Yeah, because Rocks and ice are equally durable.

 

[ToshiZO]

This is where the problem starts, people talk as if it is impossible to block Law's attacks for any character just because Vergo failed to do so. I can probably never understand the logic behind it. Manga made it explicit that strong enough haki can block Law's attacks. I'll say this again, Vergo's haki was simply not enough to block an attack with mountain range. On the other hand, Zoro himself is a mountain buster. If we're talking about Zoro just sitting there and blocking it via haki alone instead of using an attack of his own, then he wouldn't be able to block it like you implied, But there is an option called blocking an attack with an attack of your own. Nothing in the manga implies that a mountain range attack couldn't block an attack of the same range from Law.

In fact, Law's multi building level attacks were being blocked by very casual attacks of Smoker. Smoker's attacks probably aren't as destructive as Law's. So you don't actually need attacks of the same range to block them. Not to mention, Zoro can spam his attacks like there is no tomorrow. Law on the other hand never proved himself to be capable of sustaining mountain ranged room for an extended period of time in a battle.

That's a different case entirely.

I already explaining this in one of my previous posts. There are loads of differences b/w the two. It wasn't a direct comparison in any manner of sense. You're comparing an attack which literally ignores durability with an attack which was blocked at the initial stage of it's execution.

In Doflamingo's case, it was sword not strings, it happened inside room, Joker caught the sword when he was trying to impale him and he was intentionally tightening his grip out of anger. How do you translate it as him having inferior haki? The attack in particular wasn't that effective even when used against people who're not offering any defense. The best it proves is that his haki isn't good enough for Law's attacks inside room.

No there aren't loads of differences between the two. If everyone argued like this nit picking every detail it would literally be impossible to compare any two situations in this manga because they are never 100% the same, those two have the same major factors involved and thus are completely comparable.

Let me repeat the factors:

1.Attacker not using hardening
2.Defender using hardening
3.Sharp attack
4.Casual attacks

But the results came out different for the two defenders (Law, and Doflamingo).

Saying he tightened his grip out of anger doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things, we know his BH wasn't enough to receive no damage upon gripping a sword, which is all that matters.

And since when is Law's room an excuse? When did Law ever make anyone bleed with his sword in his room? In the entirety of PH not one drop of blood was shed via his sword, so I really don't get where this room talk is coming from. It has more to do with Doflamingo's BH not being good enough to grip a sword without bleeding.

Doflamingo kicked Luffy with a haki imbued attack of same nature, it barely made the the guy who's haki is particularly weak against sharp attacks bleed.

Barely or not, Luffy was bleeding, which is the only thing that matters lmao.

 

[Bogard]

Zoro replicated Law best feat? Pica is no where near as big as punk Hazard stop.

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Don't compare the 2.

Law didn't cut PH. He cut the mountain of ice. We can't exactly know how they compare to one another but the fact Oda paralleled those feats is pretty telling imo

 

[chopstickchakra]

You seem to be not aware of something called trolling :sdo:

Yeah trolling is what people who are called out as wrong say they were doing so they can try and convince themselves they weren't wrong. Plus with some of your other comments "Zoro senpai performed v Fuji Law was fodder to mingo" you lose your "trolling" feeling. Also I notice you didn't bother to call out Riker or Cobra for calling you on it as well, do they also not understand trolling? Or more likely you were serious and now are looking for a way out of your statement?

 

[HashiraMadara]

Yeah trolling is what people who are called out as wrong say they were doing so they can try and convince themselves they weren't wrong. Plus with some of your other comments "Zoro senpai performed v Fuji Law was fodder to mingo" you lose your "trolling" feeling. Also I notice you didn't bother to call out Riker or Cobra for calling you on it as well, do they also not understand trolling? Or more likely you were serious and now are looking for a way out of your statement?

You think I would put Zoro as admiral :sdo: The fact I wrote "Zoro senpai" you should have known it's a cancer post :| Even Cobra noticed that. You seem to be the only one who thought that was a serious statement