[VS] Zorro vs Law

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No there aren't loads of differences between the two. If everyone argued like this nit picking every detail it would literally be impossible to compare any two situations in this manga because they are never 100% the same, those two have the same major factors involved and thus are completely comparable.

Let me repeat the factors:

1.Attacker not using hardening
2.Defender using hardening
3.Sharp attack
4.Casual attacks

But the results came out different for the two defenders (Law, and Doflamingo).

That's a completely inaccurate way to compare armaments of two different people. There are multitude of ways to compare COA. Most obvious of all would be comparing them against the same attack or different attacks which are equally powerful. The factors you've mentioned are least important of all, if anything.

If their attacks were equally powerful, that's when you can safely assume what you're been saying "i.e. Law's armament > Joker's" to be the case. Not to mention,the attacks technically aren't of the same nature, considering one is from a sword and the other is from strings which aren't as sharp as the former.


*A persons casual attack can be stronger than another persons casual attack.
*Someone's haki less attacks can be far more powerful than that of another.
*Sharpness varies depends on the nature of the weapon and it also depends on special cases such as Law's fruit.


a)Forget about sharpness; If Zoro, hypothetically, blocks a five colored string attack via armament, and then launches one of casual attacks of his which is much more powerful than 5c strings, and if it overpowers Joker's armor. Would you consider them to be on fair grounds just because both the attacks aren't haki imbued? despite the fact that Zoro's attack is more powerful? Power output and the nature of the attack are the most important factors if you ask me.

a.1) Let's create a scenario where two brawlers"X and Y namely" have a fist fight; Both are casual,fists,blunt attacks,haki less and both gets defended with COA. If both of them make each other bleed with their casual attacks....Does that mean Haki X > Haki Y? or Y>X? or Y=X? or That it simply means that the power outputs of their punches are strong enough to overpower each others armors? The last one makes most sense of all.

a.1) Let's say X couldn't overpower Y's haki in the aforementioned scenario; What does that mean? That Y>X? or that X's attack isn't strong enough to overpower Y's haki? It's obviously the later. And it would be the same for vice versa.




Saying he tightened his grip out of anger doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things, we know his BH wasn't enough to receive no damage upon gripping a sword, which is all that matters.

And since when is Law's room an excuse? When did Law ever make anyone bleed with his sword in his room? In the entirety of PH not one drop of blood was shed via his sword, so I really don't get where this room talk is coming from. It has more to do with Doflamingo's BH not being good enough to grip a sword without bleeding.

No,not you. This shitty "everything that doesn't support my stance is irrelevant" argument doesn't suit you in slightest. I've never denied the fact that his haki is not strong enough to take Law's attack, but it doesn't make Law's haki any better than his is what I've been saying. Law can have a overwhelmingly stronger armament than Joker for all I care; but it can't be because when happened in their clash like you've been implying.

Law's room is an excuse but a reason as to why Joker armament had been cut; Why and How he was bleeding from the attack is still an unexplained mystery. But Law activating room prior to attacking Doflamingo and him using shambles to get behind him is a well proven fact.

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Barely or not, Luffy was bleeding, which is the only thing that matters lmao.

In what way can you call this a counterargument to what I've said? I genuinely have no idea.

By the way,Tightening grip is actually a thing. Hody was able to inflect a serious wound on Luffy's body by pressing his teeth against Luffy COA. The same Luffy escaped a sharp haki imbued attack of Doflamingo which by all means should far more powerful than Hody's attack with a minor dent. It should explain howmuch of an impact "pressing" may have on a defensive armor. Doflamingo was essentially pressing his hand against the sharp edge of the sword, which might result in his COA getting overpowered even if his armament is strong enough to block the attack under normal circumstances.
 
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That's a completely inaccurate way to compare armaments of two different people. There are multitude of ways to compare COA. Most obvious of all would be comparing them against the same attack or different attacks which are equally powerful. The factors you've mentioned are least important of all, if anything.

If their attacks were equally powerful, that's when you can safely assume what you're been saying "i.e. Law's armament > Joker's" to be the case. Not to mention,the attacks technically aren't of the same nature, considering one is from a sword and the other is from strings which aren't as sharp as the former.

Can't believe you just said this. These are strings via DF, these strings sliced a meteor like butter
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His strings were so hard an entire island worth of strong people couldn't even put a scratch on them with their swords.
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These aren't ordinary strings, that much is obvious. To say a sword is sharper than his strings has no basis to it.

*A persons casual attack can be stronger than another persons casual attack.
*Someone's haki less attacks can be far more powerful than that of another.
*Sharpness varies depends on the nature of the weapon and it also depends on special cases such as Law's fruit.
I generalized casual attack because I was actually trying to keep things neat and simple, I didn't know that this would be highlighted.

If you actually want me to go in depth, Doflamingo's five colored string strike was > Laws sword strike. That was the most generic no name attack Law threw in the entirety of the manga.

Doflamingo had much more momentum when he threw his strike. He pulled Law in and then hit him with the strings. You can tell the force of his attack was so strong there was a shockwave, and it even cut the building behind Law.
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So if you want to talk about attacks being stronger, there is no debate Doflamingo's was superior.


a)Forget about sharpness; If Zoro, hypothetically, blocks a five colored string attack via armament, and then launches one of casual attacks of his which is much more powerful than 5c strings, and if it overpowers Joker's armor. Would you consider them to be on fair grounds just because both the attacks aren't haki imbued? despite the fact that Zoro's attack is more powerful? Power output and the nature of the attack are the most important factors if you ask me.
Already addressed, Doflamingo's attack was stronger. The fact that both attacks weren't haki imbued just makes this that much easier to compare, because I know excuses would come up otherwise.

a.1) Let's create a scenario where two brawlers"X and Y namely" have a fist fight; Both are casual,fists,blunt attacks,haki less and both gets defended with COA. If both of them make each other bleed with their casual attacks....Does that mean Haki X > Haki Y? or Y>X? or Y=X? or That it simply means that the power outputs of their punches are strong enough to overpower each others armors? The last one makes most sense of all.

a.1) Let's say X couldn't overpower Y's haki in the aforementioned scenario; What does that mean? That Y>X? or that X's attack isn't strong enough to overpower Y's haki? It's obviously the later. And it would be the same for vice versa.
Again, addressed. Doflamingo's attack was the superior one, yet it couldn't break through. Not to mention these are the only on panel comparisons of haki we have of the two, unless you can show me evidence of Doflamingo's armament > Law's, this is pointless.

The whole point is there is a better argument for Law > Doffy in armament than the other way around.



No,not you. This shitty "everything that doesn't support my stance is irrelevant" argument doesn't suit you in slightest. I've never denied the fact that his haki is not strong enough to take Law's attack, but it doesn't make Law's haki any better than his is what I've been saying. Law can have a overwhelmingly stronger armament than Joker for all I care; but it can't be because when happened in their clash like you've been implying.

He gripped his sword and bled, why does it matter? His armament was not good enough to block off Law's sword.

Doflamingo threw a string attack with full momentum and even cut buildings behind from the shockwave of the attack yet Law was not bleeding. So the gripping sword deal is a weak point.

Law's room is an excuse but a reason as to why Joker armament had been cut; Why and How he was bleeding from the attack is still an unexplained mystery. But Law activating room prior to attacking Doflamingo and him using shambles to get behind him is a well proven fact.
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Law's room cannot be used as an argument when me and you both are unclear with how it works. Especially when half the time it never makes anyone bleed, so even if we knew more about the room it changes nothing about this situation being in Law's room doesn't mean you have to bleed. Vergo in the past could tank everything Law threw at him, proving room does not automatically mean you draw blood.

I suggest you drop the room argument.

In what way can you call this a counterargument to what I've said? I genuinely have no idea.

You said nothing. Doflamingo's attack made Luffy bleed, that's the only thing that mattered.

By the way,Tightening grip is actually a thing. Hody was able to inflect a serious wound on Luffy's body by pressing his teeth against Luffy COA. The same Luffy escaped a sharp haki imbued attack of Doflamingo which by all means should far more powerful than Hody's attack with a minor dent. It should explain howmuch of an impact "pressing" may have on a defensive armor. Doflamingo was essentially pressing his hand against the sharp edge of the sword, which might result in his COA getting overpowered even if his armament is strong enough to block the attack under normal circumstances.
Lmao one is a slashing attack while the other is a piercing attack man, they don't even aim to do the same type of damage, the only thing relevant is that both broke through Luffy's CoA.

Did Doflamingo's slashing attack make Luffy bleed? Yes, than it did what it served to do, cut Luffy. It never served to pierce Luffy, so the Hody comparison doesn't make much sense.


All in all the entire point is there is a better argument for Law > Doffy in armament than the other way around. And that still holds true.
 

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I laugh at zorro fan boys..come on guys he still needs to get stronger to beat other supernovas
luffy/law/kid>zorro
That's my opinion
 
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