[Discussion] Zoro would have fodderized....,

[24 12 11 to troll]

It's the same in that you are taking away a part of someone's arsenal that they heavily use and are extremely proficient in. His nickname in the OP world is versed around it, meaning it's something he uses often and consistently enough that that's how he's recognized in the OP world. It's a weapon. If Vergo had it, he could fight with martial arts and his signature weapon. Take it away, part of his arsenal is gone, meaning he can't do everything he could with it. That's not a hard concept to grasp.


I never denied that they had to tag-team him to land the attack, but the fact remains that the attack had enough power to reduce Doffy to near death. Sanji's moves didn't have the power to scratch him, while Luffy's Red Hawk had at least the ability to make Doffy spit up blood and wound his stomach. Yes, spitting up blood doesn't mean much anymore and the wound was superficial, but it was more than Sanji would accomplish with his blows. They had enough strength to physically cause damage to Doffy's body, Sanji didn't.

He used Sky Walk in his initial attack on Vergo. Not really. If Diable Jambe had no effect at first, using more times wouldn't really matter. Diable Jambe deals with scorching heat, if you can withstand the heat in one blow, chances are you wouldn't feel it in the others. 0 ten times is still 0. And I can easily say that if Vergo had stronger Busoshoku Haki, and he most likely does, the fracture would have happened either way.

1. They were far away from him and Vergo by the time Vergo had fractured his leg. He could have used Hell Memories and the fire wouldn't have gotten to them.
2. The gas wasn't close enough to his body, nor was it close enough to G5 for the explosion to get to them if it was caught.

Yes, five. 1. Soru 2. Geppou 3. Haki 4. Shigan 5. His signature weapon. Taking away Vergo's bamboo is the same as taking away Smoker's Jitte. They have ways to fight without it, but their combat would be better with it because it allows them to use their full arsenal.

If we're counting techniques as a single component to be held back by, Sanji still has Vergo beat:
1. Anti-Manner Kick Course, 2. Parage Shoot, 3. Flambage Shot, 4. Frit Assorti, 5. Grill Shot, 6. Poele A Frire Spectre 7. Houchou Sabaki, 8. Epluchage, 9. Mutton Shot, 10. Collier, 11. Epaule, 12. Epaule Shot, 13. Cotelette, 14. Poitrine, 15. Quasi, 16. Tendron, 17. Basse Cote, 18. Slice Shoot, 19. Escalope, 20. Collier Frit

JUST TO NAME A FEW.

Logic = Highly flawed. Rekt.

 

[Punk Hazard]

If we're counting techniques as a single component to be held back by, Sanji still has Vergo beat:
1. Anti-Manner Kick Course, 2. Parage Shoot, 3. Flambage Shot, 4. Frit Assorti, 5. Grill Shot, 6. Poele A Frire Spectre 7. Houchou Sabaki, 8. Epluchage, 9. Mutton Shot, 10. Collier, 11. Epaule, 12. Epaule Shot, 13. Cotelette, 14. Poitrine, 15. Quasi, 16. Tendron, 17. Basse Cote, 18. Slice Shoot, 19. Escalope, 20. Collier Frit

JUST TO NAME A FEW.

Logic = Highly flawed. Rekt.

The difference here is that each of the techniques that Vergo didn't use serves a different purpose or has a different effect. All of Sanji's kicks essentially do the same thing. No one kick is inherently stronger than the other, it all depends on how much strength Sanji puts into his kicks. A Tendron, Quasi and Queue would all have the same power and effect. One kick hardly phased Vergo, and he was able to match the rest of Sanji's kicks. Sanji's unnamed kicks are no different in strength than his named kicks because in the end, they're all the same kicks coming from the same person, while Soru, Geppou, Haki, his Bamboo stick and Shigan can be used for different effects and uses. The only techniques that would be stronger are ones where Sanji kicks more than once. Even then, Vergo countering one technique that consists of three kicks would be no different than Vergo countering three individual kicks, which we saw him do.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

The difference here is that each of the techniques that Vergo didn't use serves a different purpose or has a different effect. All of Sanji's kicks essentially do the same thing. No one kick is inherently stronger than the other, it all depends on how much strength Sanji puts into his kicks. A Tendron, Quasi and Queue would all have the same power and effect. One kick hardly phased Vergo, and he was able to match the rest of Sanji's kicks. Sanji's unnamed kicks are no different in strength than his named kicks because in the end, they're all the same kicks coming from the same person, while Soru, Geppou, Haki, his Bamboo stick and Shigan can be used for different effects and uses.

So hitting somebody in a different part of the body wouldn't have a different effect?

Hells memories and Diable Jambe have different powers to base Sanji, again, these excuses of yours constitute to zero support for your argument.

 

[Punk Hazard]

So hitting somebody in a different part of the body wouldn't have a different effect?

Hells memories and Diable Jambe have different powers to base Sanji, again, these excuses of yours constitute to zero support for your argument.

Not really. In the OP world, if one part of your body can withstand an attack, all of your body can unless you're hitting very specific weak points, something Sanji hasn't shown knowledge of, but that's beside the point. If Vergo's face can withstand a kick, or he can block a kick with his leg, chances are, he can block all of his kicks and withstand them with other parts of his body.

I understand Hell Memories and Diable Jambe have different levels of strength than his base kicks. What I am saying is, one DJ attack is not necessarily stronger than another because at the end of the day, it's the same level of Diable Jambe used in both kicks, and all the kicks will carry pretty much the same amount of damage because they're all gonna have the same amount of strength backing them up. Vergo shrugged off not one, but two Diable Jambe kicks like they were nothing, so he'd be able to withstand and counter the others just as well. There's always the concept of damage stacking, which means that one kick may not effect him, but the accumulative damage of ten kicks in a row could have an effect. But there's also the concept that 0 ten times is still 0.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Not really. In the OP world, if one part of your body can withstand an attack, all of your body can unless you're hitting very specific weak points, something Sanji hasn't shown knowledge of, but that's beside the point. If Vergo's face can withstand a kick, or he can block a kick with his leg, chances are, he can block all of his kicks and withstand them with other parts of his body.

I understand Hell Memories and Diable Jambe have different levels of strength than his base kicks. What I am saying is, one DJ attack is not necessarily stronger than another because at the end of the day, it's the same level of Diable Jambe used in both kicks, and all the kicks will carry pretty much the same amount of damage because they're all gonna have the same amount of strength backing them up. Vergo shrugged off not one, but two Diable Jambe kicks like they were nothing, so he'd be able to withstand and counter the others just as well. There's always the concept of damage stacking, which means that one kick may not effect him, but the accumulative damage of ten kicks in a row could have an effect. But there's also the concept that 0 ten times is still 0.

And that's exactly what his arsenal is designed to do.

 

[saw2097]

I don't get where all this Sanji is weak and no match for Zorro stuff came from, unless it came from the fact that he hasn't had a shining moment fight wise in the New World.

That is simply because his only serious fight in the New World was against guys who were powerful, two of the guys he couldn't beat Doflamingo and Vergo roughed up Law who is a supernova, he was just barely able to beat Vergo and Doflamingo made Law his punching bag.

Its been long established that he can push Zorro and that he is very strong, he always picks off the third strongest guy among the bad guys.

Heck even Doflamingo admitted that he was strong and considering how Doflamingo looks down on everyone that is quite the compliment.

He may not be on Luffy's level and he isn't quite as strong as Zorro but he is close enough to make Zorro fight high diff.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

I don't get where all this Sanji is weak and no match for Zorro stuff came from, unless it came from the fact that he hasn't had a shining moment fight wise in the New World.

That is simply because his only serious fight in the New World was against guys who were powerful, two of the guys he couldn't beat Doflamingo and Vergo roughed up Law who is a supernova, he was just barely able to beat Vergo and Doflamingo made Law his punching bag.

Its been long established that he can push Zorro and that he is very strong, he always picks off the third strongest guy among the bad guys.

Heck even Doflamingo admitted that he was strong and considering how Doflamingo looks down on everyone that is quite the compliment.

He may not be on Luffy's level and he isn't quite as strong as Zorro but he is close enough to make Zorro fight high diff.

It originated from an influx of One Piece readers in 2013, they were all Ace fans and when they found out he died they started fapping over Zoro, now they try to exert their influence and make new Zoro faps

The establishment of such doesn't exist in the eyes of Zoro wankers. You bring it up and they just ignore all and any evidence before them to prove it.

He can make Zoro fight max diff

 

[A v i]

You people need to stop all this feat and portrayal BS. Stop saying Zoro will fare better than Sanji!!!! It pisses me off. Be realistic,Zoro will get fodderized by Doffy. Infant he stands no chance whatsoever. He will receive the same Sanji treatment. It took a kamikaze move by Law to bring down doffy to a level Luffy can beat him and even that isn't enough. What makes you think Zoro will fare much better. Sanji and Zoro are closer in strength than you all wankers want to admit. Luffy is heads and shoulder above his crew (zoro and sanji included )

If someone says Zoro stands better chance than Sanji, that point by no means implies that Zoro can beat him or stands a better chance than Luffy. Logic behind your reasoning is beyond my level of comprehension. People should stop expressing their opinion because it pisses you off? So according to you anyone with a different opinion from your's is an illogical wanker? And they don't have any right to have an opinion of their own? This post just explains how genuine your opinion is.

Zoro gets Sanji treatment because? Sanji is closer to Zoro? On what basis?

It originated from an influx of One Piece readers in 2013, they were all Ace fans and when they found out he died they started fapping over Zoro, now they try to exert their influence and make new Zoro faps

The establishment of such doesn't exist in the eyes of Zoro wankers. You bring it up and they just ignore all and any evidence before them to prove it.

He can make Zoro fight max diff

Says judging Sanji's strength without knowing how strong he really is and saying he's weaker than Zoro is an illogical argument and conforms that he can push Zoro to max dif without knowing how strong he is. I wonder who's really wanking here. :hmm:

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

If someone says Zoro stands better chance than Sanji, that point by no means implies that Zoro can beat him or stands a better chance than Luffy. Logic behind your reasoning is beyond my level of comprehension. People should stop expressing their opinion because it pisses you off? So according to you anyone with a different opinion from your's is an illogical wanker? And they don't have any right to have an opinion of their own? This post just explains how genuine your opinion is.

Zoro gets Sanji treatment because? Sanji is closer to Zoro? On what basis?









Says judging Sanji's strength without knowing how strong he really is and saying he's weaker than Zoro is an illogical argument and conforms that he can push Zoro to max dif without knowing how strong he is. I wonder who's really wanking here. :hmm:

1. That made no sense, this is an English forum
2. It's obvious he's close to Zoro, look at the countless times they say things in sync, the times they fight similar enemies, the times they accomplish the same feats

Don't come at me with your wanking bullshit. If you can't accept Sanji is incredibly close to Zoro in power, you're the one that's wanking, denying manga trends that Oda has kept throughout the Manga ever since chapter fourty ****ing two. If you can't see it, god help you

 

[Mugiwara kun]

If someone says Zoro stands better chance than Sanji, that point by no means implies that Zoro can beat him or stands a better chance than Luffy. Logic behind your reasoning is beyond my level of comprehension. People should stop expressing their opinion because it pisses you off? So according to you anyone with a different opinion from your's is an illogical wanker? And they don't have any right to have an opinion of their own? This post just explains how genuine your opinion is.

Zoro gets Sanji treatment because? Sanji is closer to Zoro? On what basis?


Never meant people should stop expressing their opinions,if you took it as that,Am Sorry but Am still mad anyone is saying they aren't close. I mean it's been portrayed by Oda since when Sanji was introduced. And I can't phantom Why Oda would suddenly change that now. We're yet to see Sanji fight someone in his own class since TS. Zoro has outclassed everyone he's fought So far because they aren't in his tier So using that as a basis to say Sanji isn't close to him is just wrong to me

 

[TheHokage]

I don't think Zoro could have bested Vergo personally.

However Zoro is stronger than Sanji but I wouldn't say the gap is huge they are both Luffy's left and right arm and are similar in strength which is as expected I mean the crew would be screwed if they weren't.

Vergo>Zoro>Sanji

(This is just how I see it).

 

[Anduril]

I don't think Zoro could have bested Vergo personally.

However Zoro is stronger than Sanji but I wouldn't say the gap is huge they are both Luffy's left and right arm and are similar in strength which is as expected I mean the crew would be screwed if they weren't.

Vergo>Zoro>Sanji

(This is just how I see it).

I feel Oda gives powerscaling a back seat when it comes to plot, because look at dressrossa, Zoro has hardly gone all out in his fights while Luffy already went for broke. This is because it became necessary for Sabo to do the Job of a big brother.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

I feel Oda gives powerscaling a back seat when it comes to plot, because look at dressrossa, Zoro has hardly gone all out in his fights while Luffy already went for broke. This is because it became necessary for Sabo to do the Job of a big brother.

Or because Doflamingo sh*ts in Pica

 

[Anduril]

Or because Doflamingo sh*ts in Pica

Does he now?

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[24 12 11 to troll]

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Clearly. Otherwise Zoro would be stronger than Luffy. It's the only logical conclusion

Doffy negs law 3 times

Negs Luffy twice

Then he is severely weakened by two surprise attacks (Red Hawk and Gamma Knife)

Then he still beats G4 Luffy due to timing

On the otherhand Pica gets mid diffed by Zoro

So logically either Zoro is stronger than Luffy (WHICH WILL NEVER HAPPEN) or Doflamingo is just that strong

 

[Anduril]

Clearly. Otherwise Zoro would be stronger than Luffy. It's the only logical conclusion

Doffy negs law 3 times

Negs Luffy twice

Then he is severely weakened by two surprise attacks (Red Hawk and Gamma Knife)

Then he still beats G4 Luffy due to timing

On the otherhand Pica gets mid diffed by Zoro

So logically either Zoro is stronger than Luffy (WHICH WILL NEVER HAPPEN) or Doflamingo is just that strong

That means doflamingo shits in pica? Maybe because Pica assimilates his toilet.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

That means doflamingo shits in pica? Maybe because Pica assimilates his toilet.

My jimmies have been rustled

 

[saw2097]

Or because Doflamingo sh*ts in Pica

That is disgusting for Pica.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Clearly. Otherwise Zoro would be stronger than Luffy. It's the only logical conclusion

Doffy negs law 3 times

Negs Luffy twice

Then he is severely weakened by two surprise attacks (Red Hawk and Gamma Knife)

Then he still beats G4 Luffy due to timing

On the otherhand Pica gets mid diffed by Zoro

So logically either Zoro is stronger than Luffy (WHICH WILL NEVER HAPPEN) or Doflamingo is just that strong

Zoro beat Pica high diff, and Red Hawk didn't do anything to him. But other than that, yeah, more or less.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Zoro beat Pica high diff, and Red Hawk didn't do anything to him. But other than that, yeah, more or less.

Funny you mention that because earlier you said it had a great effect on Doflamingo

#Hypocrisy xd

That is disgusting for Pica.

To be honest, Pica's such an arselick he'd enjoy it