[Discussion] Zoro vs Vergo

[Punk Hazard]

The argument I'm seeing here is not whether or not Vergo can defeat Pica, but if he has attacks large enough to destroy Pica's stone arm. And that is absolutely useless in this argument. This isn't Vergo vs Pica, this is Vergo vs Zoro. Why would Vergo need an attack that can destroy an entire Pica statue arm against Zoro? Is Zoro as big as Pica? Is Zoro in a statue? Whether or not Vergo can destroy Pica's statue is irrelevant for two reasons:

1. Zoro isn't Pica, he fights nothing like Pica, saying "Vergo can't do this to Pica's statue so he loses to Zoro" is moronic.

2. Zoro hasn't destroyed Pica's statue either.

I'm genuinely surprised people here are saying "Zoro beats Vergo because Luffy blew up Pica's statue head."

In my opinion, Zoro can't cut through Vergo's Koka. Haki is on a completely different level than steel and stone, so Zoro cutting those don't necessarily mean he can cut through Haki. We've seen pre-skip Luffy smash steel, then be completely shrugged off by Doffy's Haki, proving that just because you can do something to steel doesn't mean you can do it to Haki as well.

 

[xanonymosx]

The argument I'm seeing here is not whether or not Vergo can defeat Pica, but if he has attacks large enough to destroy Pica's stone arm. And that is absolutely useless in this argument. This isn't Vergo vs Pica, this is Vergo vs Zoro. Why would Vergo need an attack that can destroy an entire Pica statue arm against Zoro? Is Zoro as big as Pica? Is Zoro in a statue? Whether or not Vergo can destroy Pica's statue is irrelevant for two reasons:

1. Zoro isn't Pica, he fights nothing like Pica, saying "Vergo can't do this to Pica's statue so he loses to Zoro" is moronic.

2. Zoro hasn't destroyed Pica's statue either.

I'm genuinely surprised people here are saying "Zoro beats Vergo because Luffy blew up Pica's statue head."

this pica vs vergo dsnt have any thing to do with vergo vs zoro so calm down no body used zoro vs pica as Reference

zoro vs vergo is simple if zoro can cut throgh vergo`s haki he win if he cant he lose

also you reminded me zoro`s slash wasnt able to cut pica`s body completly so how can vergo`s attack kick pica`s real body out (love cook) ?

 

[Punk Hazard]

this pica vs vergo dsnt have any thing to do with vergo vs zoro so calm down no body used zoro vs pica as Reference

zoro vs vergo is simple if zoro can cut throgh vergo`s haki he win if he cant he lose

also you reminded me zoro`s slash wasnt able to cut pica`s body completly so how can vergo`s attack kick pica`s real body out (love cook) ?

Clearly someone did, otherwise, why the hell would it be in this thread?

And Zoro hasn't shown anything that demonstrates being able to cut through Vergo's Haki, so Zoro loses.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Clearly someone did, otherwise, why the hell would it be in this thread?

And Zoro hasn't shown anything that demonstrates being able to cut through Vergo's Haki, so Zoro loses.

The people who say Zoro wins can just say Vergo hasnt shown enough to be able to tank Zoro's attack, and the people who say Vergo wins can just say what you said.

 

[Punk Hazard]

The people who say Zoro wins can just say Vergo hasnt shown enough to be able to tank Zoro's attack, and the people who say Vergo wins can just say what you said.

They actually can't since Zoro hasn't shown anything that indicates being able to cut through Haki, so no one can say Vergo can't brush off his attacks.

 

[TheHokage]

Fact is Vergo's feats in Haki are far more impressive than Zoro's.

Look at it this way Vergo was able to best Sanji in his own game (in a game of kicks), he wasn't using his bamboo stick (his primary weapon, the weapon he got his nickname from) not to mention he wasn't using CoA. Now if you honestly think Zoro could beat Sanji low-mid diff then you're crazy it's simple. Sanji and Zoro are comparable in strength and Vergo wrecked Sanji mid diff at best considering how much Vergo was holding back.

 

[Aømine]

Vergo low diffs Zoro.

 

[juju15]

Zoro destroys Vergo and lol at people saying he won't be able to fight him. Zoro knows Haki.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Zoro destroys Vergo and lol at people saying he won't be able to fight him. Zoro knows Haki.

I doubt Zoro's two-year Haki is as strong as Vergo's ten year Haki.

 

[Bogard]

I doubt Zoro's two-year Haki is as strong as Vergo's ten year Haki.

Chinjao has a 3 decades(or more) haki, yet it was only equal to Luffy's 2 years haki who doesn't even specialize in armament like Zoro. You people overestimate Vergo's black haki waaay too much. Chinjao has a 3 decade black haki and much more Destructive capacity, yet he is paired with officer Lao G

 

[Wes Sine]

Zoro wins, and he is almost dead.

 

[Love Cook]

Chinjao has a 3 decades(or more) haki, yet it was only equal to Luffy's 2 years haki who doesn't even specialize in armament like Zoro. You people overestimate Vergo's black haki waaay too much. Chinjao has a 3 decade black haki and much more Destructive capacity, yet he is paired with officer Lao G

Most irrelevant post of 2014 and the year isn't even over.

For a CoA specialist Zoro showed very little CoA yet, unlike Luffy who has been rocking it for 3 arcs now.

I'll take feats over potential any day, and Vergo has shown what he can do. Zoro simply hasn't.

 

[Bogard]

Most irrelevant post of 2014 and the year isn't even over.

For a CoA specialist Zoro showed very little CoA yet, unlike Luffy who has been rocking it for 3 arcs now.

I'll take feats over potential any day, and Vergo has shown what he can do. Zoro simply hasn't.

Zoro can cut kilometers of ground like paper without any kind of preparation or any kind of techniques. Doesn't it sound like armament haki for you? Zoro likely uses haki all the time, but the invisible one that seems to be better for swordsmen. Not that it matters anyway since you were already besides the point

 

[Love Cook]

Zoro can cut kilometers of ground like paper without any kind of preparation or any kind of techniques. Doesn't it sound like armament haki for you? Zoro likely uses haki all the time, but the invisible one that seems to be better for swordsmen. Not that it matters anyway since you were already besides the point

Ah the 'invisible' one *wink wink* I know what you mean.

Yeah he can totally beat Vergo with invisible haki.

But all kidding aside, why does Smoker's jutte, Vergo's Bamboo and Z's Robot arm all turn black when they use haki. But Zoro's swords don't ? Those are all weapons which aren't part of the body, but they still go black.

Also cutting stone wasn't a problem since like episode 50.

 

[Bogard]

Ah the 'invisible' one *wink wink* I know what you mean.

Yeah he can totally beat Vergo with invisible haki.

But all kidding aside, why does Smoker's jutte, Vergo's Bamboo and Z's Robot arm all turn black when they use haki. But Zoro's swords don't ? Those are all weapons which aren't part of the body, but they still go black.

Also cutting stone wasn't a problem since like episode 50.

Instead of replying to your questions, i'll make you remember other things

1- During the entire fight against Law, Smoker didn't use black haki, yet he was countering his ability fine. Vergo used black haki and lost to Law's ability. Why?

2- Law didn't use black haki but could cut black haki Vergo. Why?

3- Sabo's black haki broke through Burgess' in a clash but it couldn't break Fujitora's invisible hakified sword. Why?

4- Swordsmen(including Fujitora- an admiral) don't appear to be using black haki. Why?

 

[Love Cook]

Instead of replying to your questions, i'll make you remember other things

1- During the entire fight against Law, Smoker didn't use black haki, yet he was countering his ability fine. Vergo used black haki and lost to Law's ability. Why?

2- Law didn't use black haki but could cut black haki Vergo. Why?

3- Sabo's black haki broke through Burgess' in a clash but it couldn't break Fujitora's invisible hakified sword. Why?

4- Swordsmen(including Fujitora- an admiral) don't appear to be using black haki. Why?

Not even going to bother to answer 1-3, answer is in the manga and you're going to eat your words so hard on number 4.

Apparently swords are the only weapons that don't turn black, how convenient for the sake of the argument.

If you really think that all kinds of weapons, limbs and clothes turn black except for swords I pity you.

 

[Jimmy page]

Pretty sure zoro hans't used armament yet.

 

[Hexuze]

Pretty sure zoro hans't used armament yet.

He used it against Monet, he sent a small slash on her cheek.

 

[Jimmy page]

He used it against Monet, he sent a small slash on her cheek.

Are we sure that was haki and not just monet not activating her logia ability? Honestly no opponent has appeared yet that imo would make zoro bust out armament.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Are we sure that was haki and not just monet not activating her logia ability? Honestly no opponent has appeared yet that imo would make zoro bust out armament.

She was in her transformed state.

Not even going to bother to answer 1-3, answer is in the manga and you're going to eat your words so hard on number 4.

Apparently swords are the only weapons that don't turn black, how convenient for the sake of the argument.

If you really think that all kinds of weapons, limbs and clothes turn black except for swords I pity you.

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