[Discussion] Zoro vs vergo vs jinbei vs smoker
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Well in my opinion he's had a better portrayal with the enemies he's battled and the feats he's shown not to mention Smoker being Luffy's marine rival kind of indicates Smoker is similar in strength to Luffy and not the second strongest in the crew...but again that's just my opinion.
I'm not exactly sure why people think land Jinbe is that strong. Because he clashed with low level attacks from Luffy for 2seconds? What did he counter that suggest such a high position? A skypiea level pistol that made him bleed? A enies lobby level jet stamp?
Luffy didn't go all out on him and himself was totally baffled later on by Luffy's progress just by observing his conqueror haki("he went that far in just 2years?") and ended up sharing his opponent in his own arc with the weakest of the monster trio.
His strongest attack is roughly on par with Sanji's strongest attack as well, so either by feats and portrayal, according to what we know, nothing suggest he should be put that high
Luffy didn't go all out on him and himself was totally baffled later on by Luffy's progress just by observing his conqueror haki("he went that far in just 2years?") and ended up sharing his opponent in his own arc with the weakest of the monster trio.
His strongest attack is roughly on par with Sanji's strongest attack as well, so either by feats and portrayal, according to what we know, nothing suggest he should be put that high
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Displaying a feat that does put them above Vergo. For example, defeating a person stronger than Vergo. Luffy has never fought Kalifa, but we know he can defeat her because he's defeated people stronger than her. That kind of thing is how Zoro and Luffy can establish being able to defeat Vergo. They just haven't yet.
Yeah, I don't **** with that "Strongest one-hit move is how you determine firepower" horseshit. Luffy has been slated to have enough firepower to destroy the Noah, which is about half the size of a country(Fishman Island). Zoro has not been slated to have enough firepower to accomplish such a feat, or show a feat to suggest such.
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1080 Pound canon couldn't even cleave very deep into Pica's flesh, but it's gonna cut into a layer of full body Armament Haki yeah okay bud
And what does that have anything to do with bypassing his haki? If the opponent they face is stronger than Vergo but doesn't possess stronger haki, where is the relationship between their victory against a stronger opponent and bursting through Vergo's haki. That is my question because beating someone stronger with lower haki mastery than Vergo doesn't prove they can beat through Vergo's haki according to your logic that Vergo's haki is unbeatable by the fire power they already displayed
It does matter when you know that he needs repetitive attacks to accomplish what he did against noah. He can destroy noah with time only. Give Zoro time and he could destroy Noah as well especially when you realise 1080 pound phoenix didn't even made him break a sweat, so it's not like he can't spam it. It's for that reason one hit attacks are the one that should be used to notify fire power
Yet no one in the strawhat crew has beat or solo'd Smoker yet.you just jelly cuz zoro solos your fav.
I feel that Oda has invested far too much into creating a Smoker-Luffy rivalry dynamic to class Smoker as a has been.
You either believe that Oda has spent the last decade plus blundering about by consistently having the same character (Smoker) consistently function as Luffy's enemy arc in arc out. Or you believe that Oda has followed the literary tenets of writing and been building up a substantial rivalry between two opponents.
Does anybody else find it odd that Oda hasn't actually had Luffy defeat Smoker yet? Despite Smoker having a 2-0 win record against him.
Anyway I don't really care about the opinions of the Zoro fanboys in this forum the majority of them are just delusional fools who are more impressed by badass one liners than actual feats.
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That's true. Then the feat they need to accomplish is breaking through, and harming someone, clad in Haki on a level at or above Vergo's. Only then can we say they can defeat Vergo, thanks for helping me clear that up.
Not really. Yeah, give them time, and they can both destroy Noah. But how much time would they need? If Luffy destroys 1/8 of Noah in one blow, but can destroy the entire thing in an hour, and Zoro destroys 1/8 with one blow but takes 2 hours to destroy it, Luffy has more firepower. Nothing suggests Zoro can destroy as much of the Noah as Luffy can, or within the same time period that Luffy can, so we can't even think of attributing it to Zoro. Luffy has the feat of being able to destroy Noah within an hour, maybe less than 20 minutes. Nothing suggests Zoro can do the same, or within that time, so for now, Luffy has more firepower.
To further illustrate my point, let's say we have two countries about to go to war. One country has four nukes to their name that, when used individually, can take out a country. When used together, a continent. Now, the other country has 100 smaller warheads that when used individually, can destroy half of the same country, but when used all together, can destroy two continents. If all the countries and continents in this scenario are the same size, which country has more firepower, the one with four nukes, or the one with 100 warheads?
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Thats because it went through that huge mountain sized rock golem first and even then it still hurt Pica pretty badly since he was bleeding through his mouth U_U. Thats pretty damn impressive of you ask me U_U but o well Zoro's techs will always be constantly underrated and cast aside by his haters.
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Oh yeah cuz by current power scale, rocks are so intense. Rocks are comparable to Armament Haki. Makes sense.Thats because it went through that huge mountain sized rock golem first and even then it still hurt Pica pretty badly since he was bleeding through his mouth U_U. Thats pretty damn impressive of you ask me U_U but o well Zoro's techs will always be constantly underrated and cast aside by his haters.
Zoro's techs will always be constantly overrated and shoved up the asses of his fanboys.
No one really underrates Zoro or hates him. Just because we disagree with you, doesn't mean we hate him. You guys seem to hate on Smoker a lot though, that's something undeniable. I have no idea why you guys hate Smoker.Thats because it went through that huge mountain sized rock golem first and even then it still hurt Pica pretty badly since he was bleeding through his mouth U_U. Thats pretty damn impressive of you ask me U_U but o well Zoro's techs will always be constantly underrated and cast aside by his haters.
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Yeah I am serious. Portal puts Zoro and Sanji next to each other in terms of strength with Zoro being ahead by Sanji by a bit. You say Sanji has been getting destroyed while Zoro hasn't fought nobody note worthy up until recently you dumbass. Zoro would lose to everyone Sanji has. And no Oda has Sanji fight DD because Sanji is the only SH who would travel out of Dressorsa without a boat and do it quickly, if Zoro fought DD he would of got wrecked just as bad DD is beating both Luffy and Law at the same time what makes you think Zoro is even scratching DD.
Dickhead, Fuji praised DD while DD praised Sanji and Fuji didn't have to intent to kill will DD did, again if Zoro fought DD h would get the Sanji treatment.
If you weren't such a blind fanboy you would see I never said Zoro was weaker just portrayal puts them on the same level.
The day people will learn to argue without giving their opinions as if they were facts and calling others fanboys/haters because they have different opinions will also be the day where this section will make some progress. Until then, discussions around here seems hopeless
@Rikerslade are you suggesting that if you don't have equal if not stronger haki than Vergo, you can't beat him?
@Rikerslade are you suggesting that if you don't have equal if not stronger haki than Vergo, you can't beat him?
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Not necessarily. If you are like Luffy and Zoro who operate through direct, brute damage, then you need to be able to bypass his Haki. For Luffy, he needs to be able to smash through it, and Zoro needs to be able to cut through it. If you lack the means of bypassing Vergo's Haki, and you deal with directly dealing brute damage, then your chances of defeating him are lower than someone who deals direct brute damage and can. This is not a hard, nor unreasonable, concept, I suggest you stop treating it as such.
I dont mind if someone disagree with me tbh....I just hate when certain people people claim the Zoro fans or fanboys as some would call them spoil the character for them its just childish IMO.. because Zoro gets wanked all the time and their fav doesnt they complain. and I will admit Zoro gets wanked sometimes to the point that its not even funny :/ but whenever I see someone say for example Zoro>>>Luffy I have to step in and say cut that shit out :/.. because I know for a fact Luffy is stronger.....And ofc I dont hate Smoker what I said in another thread earlier about him being a fodder I was trying to annoy a member lol XD. Its just when people say Smoker>Zoro I find that to be bullshit because Zoro hasnt even shown his true strength since Post timeskip whilst smoker has gone all out on punk hazard yes he was facing stronger enemies than Zoro(except for Vergo) yes but I still believe Zoro has more impressive feats to be shown that will put him above smoker even though I think he already has 1080p cannon
is that so hard to understand?
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