[Discussion] Zoro vs Luffy(w/o plot shield)

[Love Cook]

luffy has already shown his full power idk why people think he hasn't. elepohant gattling is his strongest move

Because you say so ?

Let's see how Zoro fares against a haki user, I wonder if he can cut through Luffy's CoA and how he handles his speed in Gear 2.

Any way there is no doubt that Luffy is always a step ahead of Zoro and Sanji in terms of strength.

 

[obito uchiha the wraith]

Remember in MF when Luffy was about to attack Mihawk but then he realised that his hands would get chopped off?
Wont that apply to a fight with Zoro as well?

no armament haki can go up against swords.

 

[silmarill]

If not for plot shield then 1080 pound phoenix would destroy luffy....sure luffy could probably dodge it but if he tried taking it heads on.....

Luffy>Zoro though

what the hell does that mean?
that's not plot shield

Arlong can destroy Zoro if he puts his hand thru his throat, oh and if Zoro does not move at all and just let it happen

 

[Hexuze]

I still Luffy would lose to Zoro because he would hold back, similarly to his fight with Usopp. If this is a fight where Luffy or Zoro aren't holding back then Luffy wins and always will.

 

[narutorikudoumode]

Because you say so ?

Let's see how Zoro fares against a haki user, I wonder if he can cut through Luffy's CoA and how he handles his speed in Gear 2.

Any way there is no doubt that Luffy is always a step ahead of Zoro and Sanji in terms of strength.

Zoro's not a haki user? I'm pretty sure he is and Zoro has quick reflexes himself so he won't be totatlly surprised by Luffy's speed. The thing that bothers me is why haven't we seen Zoro's haki? Unless Asura is his Coa but we haven't seen that since the pre timeskip. So really we can only compare them when both of them use their full powers.

 

[obito uchiha the wraith]

Because you say so ?

Let's see how Zoro fares against a haki user, I wonder if he can cut through Luffy's CoA and how he handles his speed in Gear 2.

Any way there is no doubt that Luffy is always a step ahead of Zoro and Sanji in terms of strength.

:| im positive that luffys strongest move is elephant gatling we already saw him go all out I have no reason to believe he has anything stronger considering hes not even on doflamingos level yet. zoro is the only one we haven't seen go all out yet in the group we only just staterd to see a bit now that he used 1080p. luffys speed shouldn't be a problem as long as zoro uses observation haki even lucci kept up with gear 2.

 

[J3Q]

i dont think zoro is stronger than luffy in the last chapter zoro said to peeka that at his current leven cant beat luffy so i believe that his kinda admiting that luffy is stronger than zoro

 

[My Username]

If not for plot shield then 1080 pound phoenix would destroy luffy....sure luffy could probably dodge it but if he tried taking it heads on.....

Luffy>Zoro though

How willLuffy win? Red Hawk? Grizzly Magnum?

 

[silmarill]

:| im positive that luffys strongest move is elephant gatling we already saw him go all out I have no reason to believe he has anything stronger considering hes not even on doflamingos level yet. zoro is the only one we haven't seen go all out yet in the group we only just staterd to see a bit now that he used 1080p. luffys speed shouldn't be a problem as long as zoro uses observation haki even lucci kept up with gear 2.

When did we saw him go all out? Oh u mean underwater where a df user is at their weakest?
None of M3 has even remotely gone all out

 

[Love Cook]

:| im positive that luffys strongest move is elephant gatling we already saw him go all out I have no reason to believe he has anything stronger considering hes not even on doflamingos level yet. zoro is the only one we haven't seen go all out yet in the group we only just staterd to see a bit now that he used 1080p. luffys speed shouldn't be a problem as long as zoro uses observation haki even lucci kept up with gear 2.

How do you know ?

before gear 2 gattling gun was the strongest move after that it was upgraded with jet, haki, fire, gear third etc.

Why wouldn't there be a stronger move ? There is always a stronger move. Luffy's finisher from 2 arcs ago won't be his strongest move.

Luffy has shown better feats of CoO than Zoro did, in fact Zoro has shown none. He also specializes in CoA and even of that haki he only used it once in a very tiny slash.

Luffy has shown so much more than Zoro did at this point.

It's Feats > Speculation at this point

How would Zoro deal with Elephant jet gatling coated in CoA ?

 

[VongolaX]

Well of course luffy is stronger by a slight margin...

What sets luffy apart from Zoro is when Luffy tense up with vains etc.

Then uses brute force to pound somebodies face in, yet take every blow from the enemy that is suppose to kill him.

 

[Titania Erza]

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Swords can stab Buggy as well, so what is your point?

 

[Fireplay]

Luffy will always beat Zoro.

 

[jiraiya lives]

what the hell does that mean?
that's not plot shield

Arlong can destroy Zoro if he puts his hand thru his throat, oh and if Zoro does not move at all and just let it happen

That's the point.

 

[Olorin]

the 3 laws of One Piece:
1. Luffy likes meat
2. Snowman is the strongest character
3. Luffy beats Zoro, Zoro beats Sanji

I don't know I think zoro and luffy are equal in strength plus we still haven't seen zoro go all out yet.

please do tell me when Luffy has gone all out?

this shouldn't even be an argument, if you don't think Luffy>Zoro reread OP, they never fight head on for real but from arc to arc there are subtle hints from Oda that Luffy is stronger

and Luffy's weakness aren't swords, he is as vulnerable to swords as Sanji is, or any normal human

 

[Chihaya]

I think he could. I think Oda did that on purpose. You know, having a second hand man, who legit, IS YOUR WEAKNESS and can beat you. Its all about the loyalty and trust. Cause Luffy can't use haki 24/7, so yeah, I think Zoro could beat Luffy. But never will try cause of his loyalty.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Luffy will always beat Zoro and Zoro is pretty overrated. Its really not up for debate.

 

[Black Mamba]

luffy would high diff zoro.

- better at both CoO and CoA haki
- has CoC
- faster
- stronger physically when using gear 2nd and 3rd
- better DC (elephant gatling gun)

 

[juzumaki]

no armament haki can go up against swords.

we literally saw sabo doing it few chapters ago

OT: luffy since just like zoro luffy hasnt gone all out yet people tend to think he has because he used g3 but fail to realize that Post TS uses G3 like it just another technique using it for random things and nothing else

by feats hes also greater

i dont think the gap is too wide but it not that close either. The gap between sanjij zoro and luffy would be like this imo

Luffy 100
Zoro 85
Sanji 70 (by feats since the ts he the lowest)

 

[obito uchiha the wraith]

When did we saw him go all out? Oh u mean underwater where a df user is at their weakest?
None of M3 has even remotely gone all out

he wasn't underwater when he did elephant gatling he was in an air bubble