[Question] Zoro stronger than Luffy?

[LBeezy]

Yes I can agree with that part, Carrot shown great reaction speed after the swing as well. But that either means that Zoro was anticipating for her to walk that path and to walk into his attack (CoO), or he was too soon and he got outmatched in speed (reaction), and there are two things that people are confusing with each other in this thread.

What I was saying that if Zoro has these amazing reflexes and the elite CoO people are bragging about, he should never have missed that strike.

I agree immediately with anyone who says that Zoro is fast, because his attacks are always shown as immediate, and appearing behind the enemy. I

Oohhhh okay.. I see what you mean about the CoO.. my bad I wasn't one of those people talking about it so idk anything about that one.. lol I was just speaking on that one manga scan in particular, and how it actually showed excellent reaction speed (on both characters behalf)..

About what you said though, I think that maybe Zoro was just underestimating Carrot at that point, not expecting her to be that fast.. but idk.. lol

 

[KingHashirama]

Lmao this man snuck in a Naruto > Sasuke in there.

Sounds like i hurt somebody's feel. Sorry?

 

[ToshiZO]

You're special man, you really are dumb as sh1t.

I will explain it one more time, try to keep up this time.

1) He didn't react to the attack, Zoro reacted at the moment she dodged, meaning he was too late. So if she according to you ' simply reacted' as well, that means that her reaction speed is far above Zoro's to be able to get out of the path of his moving sword. Also you need to read back in this topic because people clearly stated that Zoro excels in CoO which is never stated anywhere in tha manga.

Lmao no it doesn't mean her reaction speed is far above his? It just means her reaction speed is good enough to dodge that attack of Zoro's. Smh make some sense.

Also don't quote me talking about CoO if I wasn't talking about it then, take that up with someone else.

2) The difference between Zoro's fight with Hyozou and Luffy vs Hyozou was that Zoro was in a fight with the guy and Luffy just swatted him away once. Hyozou never had the opportunity to attack, so Luffy never had the opportunity to show that Hyozou can't hit him. You're using a situation that never happened a fight between Luffy and Hyozou to show that Zoro handled it better. When in fact the outcome of a Luffy vs Hyozou fight wouldn;t be any different from how Zoro handled it. Also the no name slashes Zoro used against the mink girl and Hody didn't finish them off, therefore ineffective.

lmfaoo I'll ask you again, do you even know what you quoted? I'm not saying they are the exact same situation, the whole point of me showing Hyozou was to say Oda hypes up fodder all the time early in arcs. I posted that regarding Luffy's attack speed, not his reaction speed.

I can clearly tell you were hurt by this because you started analyzing what ifs, no shit Luffy would have still whooped Hyozou, and no shit the poison didn't affect him. The fact that you are blabbering about off topic things just shows me how emotionally attached you are to this topic.

3) Didn't know it was possible to get an emotional attachment after posting once in a topic with rational arguments against someone who talks out of his ass. And you didn't counter my point at all at three, it's just a personal attack because you know you got sh1t on this. Hody got back up after Zoro's amazing attack and put the green haired one hit one kill wonder in a cage.

See once again this clearly shows your emotional attachment to the topic, I didn't post that scan for anything but to show Zoro's attack speed, you ignore the attack speed and start talking about how he got caught in a cage. Lmfao please stop posting.

And IIRC Hody was in so much pain from that strike that he starting shoving tons of pills down his throat, not to mention Luffy's jet pistol didn't KO Hyozou in any way, so even when you completely go off topic you can't even prove that point right.

As you can see, I'm not the one that has trouble with posting on threads that have Zoro in them, I have a sense of reality and I stick to what happened in the manga instead of splooging my load on my keyboard every time he comes up. You literally can't counter any of this because you're argumentation is full of assumptions and mine are black on white drawn by Oda. So if you want to make a fool out of yourself. Please reply.

lmfao you might be among the worst posters here regarding these types of topics.

Just do me a favour and stick to non vs threads, you're going off on random tangents which have nothing to do with the points at hand, either to glorify a certain character or put down another.

Sounds like i hurt somebody's feel. Sorry?

Lmao na that was just funny, you snuck it in so confidently even though its not that obvious.

 

[Love Cook]

Lmao no it doesn't mean her reaction speed is far above his? It just means her reaction speed is good enough to dodge that attack of Zoro's. Smh make some sense.

Also don't quote me talking about CoO if I wasn't talking about it then, take that up with someone else.

lmfaoo I'll ask you again, do you even know what you quoted? I'm not saying they are the exact same situation, the whole point of me showing Hyozou was to say Oda hypes up fodder all the time early in arcs. I posted that regarding Luffy's attack speed, not his reaction speed.

I can clearly tell you were hurt by this because you started analyzing what ifs, no shit Luffy would have still whooped Hyozou, and no shit the poison didn't affect him. The fact that you are blabbering about off topic things just shows me how emotionally attached you are to this topic.




See once again this clearly shows your emotional attachment to the topic, I didn't post that scan for anything but to show Zoro's attack speed, you ignore the attack speed and start talking about how he got caught in a cage. Lmfao please stop posting.

And IIRC Hody was in so much pain from that strike that he starting shoving tons of pills down his throat, not to mention Luffy's jet pistol didn't KO Hyozou in any way, so even when you completely go off topic you can't even prove that point right.

It's not my fault you can't comprehend. Me explaining this to you is like teaching the theory of relativity to a toddler. Nothing sticks in that thick skull.

All you post are excuses and circumstances why Zoro didn't perform better at the moment. Guess what maybe he just isn't that good as you're trying to make people believe.

Bottom line is; he missed the attack for whatever reason, he beat the octopus that Luffy also would have no trouble dealing with and he did cut Hody right before Hody put him in a cage, so that legendary underwater slash was worth nothing.

 

[KingHashirama]

Lmao na that was just funny, you snuck it in so confidently even though its not that obvious.

You really feel as if I snuck it in there huh lol. I was just saying it normally lol .

 

[Insidious Smile]

One must acknowledge how absurdly idiotic some of the arguments used to prove Zoro's superiority over Luffy are, when feats and accomplishments loudly speak for themselves.

 

[A v i]

How you think Zoro will be favored by the author of One Piece in the future is irrelevant, the fact is that Asura is a one hit attack (from what was shown in the manga), therefore Asura Zoro CAN'T compete with G2/G4 Luffy.
Can we please stop mentioning the databook? :lol

I am not sure where this "what you think" argument came from, everything I've said was taken directly from manga. Nothing from it was a speculation formed by my personal opinions. Don't give me that feats are everything crap, you should very well know how useless that argument is. Why in the world is G2 even relevant here? As I explained above, the essence of using DB is that some people on here are too hopeless to be convinced by the manga evidence alone. If you're not one of those clueless readers then you may ignore the data book references.

 

[ssjelf]

One must acknowledge how absurdly idiotic some of the arguments used to prove Zoro's superiority over Luffy are, when feats and accomplishments loudly speak for themselves.

They don't loudly speak for anything, They show that zoro can compete. Like, just think about it logically for even a second and you'll come to the conclusion that zoro can fight against G2 luffy.

What opponent has luffy beat in G2 that zoro can't? None...

Like it doesn't even make sense because that would create such a power gap that zoro couldn't even fight agasint enemies that gave G2/G3 luffy a hard time like chinjao or Hody.

In the case of chinjao, chinjao lost to lao G, an underling of the 4 executives. One of which zoro one shotted. So obviously he beats chinjao who gave G2 luffy a difficult time.

In the case of Hody, Hody got negged by zoro while zoro was underwater while luffy had a difficult time dealing with Hody.

So by comparison here, zoro can beat opponents that G2 luffy had difficulty with meaning that zoro would also give luffy an even harder time. And that isn't even counting asura (which is a mode like G2, not a mode that fades after 1 attack)

 

[KingHashirama]

Wait so we are now claiming that Zoro can't touch G4/G3 luffy ?? Is this a joke ?? Lol.



Luffy G4 = His end move/phase/technique. Where he goes all out.

Zoro = Still unknown. We don't know how he is, when he goes all out.

In fact Luffy can't beat Zoro without going into G4.


And if the argument is "but Zoro has no feats to give luffy any trouble".. well please do understand that characters can only demonstrate feats to take on Top tiers, when they are put against Top tiers. Zoro since he arrived in the New world, hasn't been put against a Top tier (except in his little confrontation against Fujitora). Thus, his feats will remain unknown.

 

[-Akuma-]

Wait so we are now claiming that Zoro can't touch G4/G3 luffy ?? Is this a joke ?? Lol.



Luffy G4 = His end move/phase/technique. Where he goes all out.

Zoro = Still unknown. We don't know how he is, when he goes all out.

In fact Luffy can't beat Zoro without going into G4.


And if the argument is "but Zoro has no feats to give luffy any trouble".. well please do understand that characters can only demonstrate feats to take on Top tiers, when they are put against Top tiers. Zoro since he arrived in the New world, hasn't been put against a Top tier (except in his little confrontation against Fujitora). Thus, his feats will remain unknown.

Zoro CAN'T TOUCH Luffy in G4 though currently.

 

[-Akuma-]

1.? Ok he still reacted to her attack, she simply reacted to his as well. And nobody said he has top notch CoO skills.
2.LMAO ok? Luffy was on the offense? And? Is that supposed to be a point? Do you even know what you are quoting?

Basic Jet pistols LOL? And what did Zoro use against the Mink or Hody? No named slashes lool, you are only hurting yourself with this nonsense.

3.Another point that has nothing to do with anything and further shows your emotional attachment to this topic.

Lmfao dont bother quoting me again if you can't handle topics with Zoro in it. I can see a clear motive in these posts, not one point there addressed anything I said.



You have no idea what reactions are. Having exclamation marks doesn't take away from reactions it isolates the reaction feat even further. The more surprised one is the purer the reaction feat. Nobody was talking about an observation feat or a prediction feat where Zoro has to know an attack is coming. Was talking about him reacting to incoming attacks which he did perfectly fine in that scenario.

He attacked her, she reacted. She attacked him, he reacted. Simple.

You can say his attack speed was slow therefore the mink reacted but then again I already showed you the exact same thing happening with Luffy against Hyozou.

Not to mention its laughable you completely ignore Zoro reacting to Kuma's paw pads while half dead, Kuma who is supposed to be among the fastest characters in the show, and instead you want to look at a fodder hype moment which Oda has at the beginning of every arc, something I countered in my last post with Luffy but was completely ignored.


Yea just like its common sense Zoro is right behind Luffy and that he can compete with G2/G3 Luffy.

But people aren't using common sense here they want to use feats, that is why it was funny because Sanji has NO feats placing him on Zoro's level. Meanwhile Zoro does have feats saying he can tango with G2/G3, yet its Sanji who is getting lumped together with Zoro, but oh no Zoro is not allowed to be placed beside G2/G3 Luffy.

Pretty shitty arguments I'm seeing. All I see in this thread is whining by everyone, no one even dares to counter feats with feats.

And I'm not talking about you.

Zoro is not RIGHT behind Luffy but he can compete with him (most likley beat) when using G2/G3.

I agree that Zoro can tango with Luffy in G2/G3. Sani and Zoro are often put togther because of their portayal not because of their feats. In the end I agree on both ends, Sanji and Zoro proabobly will be on the same level while Zoro currently can fight G2/G3 Luffy.

 

[KingHashirama]

Zoro CAN'T TOUCH Luffy in G4 though currently.

Nobody knows, until we see Zoro in an actual 1 vs 1 fight. He can probably touch him, just not beat him.

 

[ssjelf]

Nobody knows, until we see Zoro in an actual 1 vs 1 fight. He can probably touch him, just not beat him.

Well doffy got pretty pooped on from G4 luffy, I don't think zoro would fare any better. At least from what we can reasonably expect.

 

[A v i]

I don't understand why exactly people even believe Luffy'd be out of Zoro's league in gears. Because he fights and defeats stronger opponents? The true potential SH's can only be bought forth when they're truly cornered which is what happens to Luffy in almost every single main arc battle he fought in. Something like that never happened with other crew members except for Thriller Bark. Thriller Bark is where every single crew member hit their respective limits. So, the standards from Thriller Bark are what we should use to determine how close they're to each other.

At Thriller Bark;

A severely injured Zoro proved himself to be able to react to things that are definitely faster than anything Gear 2 has to offer.[

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Zoro casually deflected a punch equivalent to or even stronger than a gear 3 attack from Luffy. [

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Zoro took damage from attacks that are more powerful then the strongest Luffy has to offer back then and still kept fighting

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Proved himself to be more endurable than Luffy.

Do we need more evidence to say Zoro can fight on par with any version of Luffy? It should be same even after TS unless Oda decided to increase the gap b/w Luffy and Zoro which doesn't seem to be the case based on the portrayal so far in the series.

 

[KingHashirama]

Well doffy got pretty pooped on from G4 luffy, I don't think zoro would fare any better. At least from what we can reasonably expect.

Doflamingo got pooped on from G4 luffy??? Is that why Luffy needed the colleseum warriors to protect him, when Doffy was about to come kill him? lol.

 

[ssjelf]

Doflamingo got pooped on from G4 luffy??? Is that why Luffy needed the colleseum warriors to protect him, when Doffy was about to come kill him? lol.

I mean to say that when luffy was smashing doffy around the first few times. I don't think zoro would survive those attacks because he doesn't have doffys repairing strings. Also I am unsure if he can tank those attacks as well as doffy.