[Question] Zoro stronger than Luffy?

[Insidious Smile]

it is a mode, dunno where you get the idea it isn't. It fades out cuz the fight ends.

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never said that...

He got to pica somehow, he certainly didn't fly. Also it's in there, look closer on the right side he is jumping off falling rocks

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every time he uses it he essentially teleports.

Ok fine, zoro is ftl then. Trying to hold his feats back here but you don't want me to ok...

Attacking zoro with something like elephant gun would lead to his arm being cut in half. That's what i meant.

He can

wtf, stay on topic, this was g2/g3 luffy vs zoro not g4

average hahha good joke. He has great coo, he tracked and sensed a lot of things that were fast moving, hidden and far way, i listed examples,

Okay, Asura is a mode, but it is not a mode that can compete with G2/G4 Luffy because if wares off after one attack.

Zoro jumped off of a single boulder, he did not jump "between rocks" as you previously stated. Airwalk is more physical demanding than jumping off of some boulder, stop needlessly hyping Zoro.

Teleportation? Your assumptions are getting more ridiculous.

Why would Luffy attack Zoro with elephant gun? That is just stupid.

You need to stop hyping Zoro. Zoro's sensing abilities are basic sensing abilities, just like Luffy's sensing abilities are basic. The one who should have above average CoO use is Sanji.

databook said something along the lines of them being shoulder to shoulder, or something in that aspect.

I deleted your most irrelevant arguments as they are not worth addressing.

To say that "Luffy > Zoro" is common sense, yet "Luffy > Zoro" is supported by manga feats.

The databook was brought up because you can't say Zoro is Luffy's equal based by what shown in the manga. Do you understand?

because it's common sense, zoro has yet to use his pre skip most powerful mode, yet his attack power already exceeds that of pre gear 4 luffy. Therefore, if zoro in base can do this much, then something like asura must be able to perform much better considering the fact that the power of asura far exceeds that of base zoro.

Asura is a one hit attack, it cannot compete with Luffy.

yeah bruh i agree, zoro is stronger than luffy.

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[Hexuze]

It's called reaction speed, and Zoro has elite reaction speed.

Lmfao

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OT: Luffy will always be stronger.

 

[A v i]

Asura is a one hit attack, it cannot compete with Luffy.

Asura is a mode, the fact that he has more than one attack in it is all it takes to know that it's a mode. Both gears as well as DJ were stated or implied to be hard to sustain for a prolonged period of time. But they now basically became base for Sanji and Luffy. Something like that never happened with asura, 2 of 3 parallel power ups from EL are already conformed to be modes. I don't see why and how Zoro'd be treated differently from the rest of M3, unless his power boost was too OP to be a mode. Above everything else, Zoro calls it 9 sword style akin to one, two and 3 sword styles. So, it's more of a fighting style than an actual attack. The mere thought that Zoro doesn't have what it takes to compete with Luffy is absurd. The fact that Zoro's attack power exceeded that of pre gears Luffy when he was fighting someone that couldn't even put a dent on Zoro should be evident enough to say that Zoro will be leveling cities with every single attack he uses similar to Luffy in gear 4 when Zoro finally goes all out.

I deleted your most irrelevant arguments as they are not worth addressing.

To say that "Luffy > Zoro" is common sense, yet "Luffy > Zoro" is supported by manga feats.

The databook was brought up because you can't say Zoro is Luffy's equal based by what shown in the manga. Do you understand

I don't like being involved with the guy that you were quoting but he didn't say anything about Luffy and Zoro being equal. He said they're comparable in strength with Luffy being the superior which is a fact supported by both manga. That's pretty much what the databook says, It says something like his fighting capacity is as high as Luffy's yet he follows the orders from the captain without raising his voice despite being that strong. Even in the manga, Oda had multiple people compare Zoro with his captain on multiple occasions. And the reason why people resorted to use DB is the fans who loves to deny everything no matter how much they're fed by the manga evidence. So, the opposite side is being forced to use data book as a last resort. Unfortunately, even that doesn't work as the fans in OP communities had better understanding of the manga than the people who're associated with the mangaka himself.:yeah:

 

[ssjelf]

Okay, Asura is a mode, but it is not a mode that can compete with G2/G4 Luffy because if wares off after one attack.

Zoro jumped off of a single boulder, he did not jump "between rocks" as you previously stated. Airwalk is more physical demanding than jumping off of some boulder, stop needlessly hyping Zoro.

Teleportation? Your assumptions are getting more ridiculous.

Why would Luffy attack Zoro with elephant gun? That is just stupid.

You need to stop hyping Zoro. Zoro's sensing abilities are basic sensing abilities, just like Luffy's sensing abilities are basic. The one who should have above average CoO use is Sanji.



I deleted your most irrelevant arguments as they are not worth addressing.

To say that "Luffy > Zoro" is common sense, yet "Luffy > Zoro" is supported by manga feats.

The databook was brought up because you can't say Zoro is Luffy's equal based by what shown in the manga. Do you understand?


Asura is a one hit attack, it cannot compete with Luffy.


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Lol what, you are ridiculous.

He was jumping between rocks, that is how he got close to pica.

Basically. Also keyword, essentially. Great reading skills, you just pick and choose what you want to see. lol k.

Because luffy is stupid and also because luffy attacks everyone with elephant gun

He has high CoO abilities, its obvious

 

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[-Akuma-]

Lmao cause Zoro needs to move as fast as Luffy does to be able to put up a fight?

It's called reaction speed, and Zoro has elite reaction speed. He will have no problem keeping up with G2 Luffy's speed he isn't cannon fodder here. Pre timeskip he was keeping up with a pretty fast Soru user as well, despite Kaku beating him out in movement speed. [

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He was dodging an onslaught of Kumas cannons. Which were hyped to be pretty damn fast. [

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Now if Luffy was running away sure Zoro wouldn't be able to keep up, but as long as Luffy is attacking Zoro he'll be fine.

G3 would be the death of Luffy, go right ahead and send a slow ass fist Zoro's way so he can slice it in two. He has already shown a city level attack when he cut Pica in half, so he sure as hell doesn't lack in the destructive capacity department either.

And don't lump Zoro together up with Sanji, Sanji doesn't even have the feats to say he can beat Sai let alone Zoro.The only thing keeping Sanji relevant right now is his pre timeskip Portrayal alongside Zoro. Current Feats they aren't close.

......I can't.

 

[ToshiZO]

Lmfao

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OT: Luffy will always be stronger.

Lmao

1.He still reacted to her attack, she just reacted to his attack by altering her trajectory to dodge.

2.You want to use early arc feats where Oda hypes up every fodder? Ok

Base Hyozou blocked a jet pistol from Luffy and poisoned him.

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Zoro blitzed drugged Hyozou

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Blitzed Hody under water

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That must mean Zoro's attack speed > Luffy . That is ofcourse if you want to start early arc fodder hype feats?

3.You ignored how a half dead Zoro was reacting to Kuma's attacks which were said to be lightspeed, now whether they were actually light speed or not is irrelevant because they were portrayed to be really fast regardless.

......I can't.

Might have been a slight exaggeration but the point is

-Sai has better Haki feats than Sanji
-Sai has the better DC

Sai's kicks are much stronger than Sanji featwise. Which just goes to show you how far Sanji is to Zoro going by feats, yet people keep lumping Sanji together with Zoro while being Salty when others say Zoro can compete with G2/G3 Luffy.

You gotta love the double standard, Sanji has no feats to say he can compete with Zoro, yet they are equals. But Zoro who does have feats to compete with G2/G3 is not allowed to be placed beside Luffy.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Yes Oda's approval of a book, that is connected to his manga and talks about the universe of his manga. Not side projects based around his manga. Theres a huge difference between the 2.

Strong world and the other movies happen in OP manga world...and databooks themselves are side "project"

That's pretty much most mangakas + book writers, who use "databooks".. not just Naruto. As Databooks are used by mangakas to expand/explain their universe in-depth, that they might not be able to within the manga..

Most writer don't even write the databooks, lmao they're marketing tools

You sound like one of the Hiruzen fanboys, who used to go on about "but databook says Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage", Simply because they don't understand how a Databook works. If the databook says "Sabo's whereabouts are unknown", thus he is alive.

I said unknown, not "unknown whereabouts" don't put words in my mouth.

"What happened to Sabo, is unknown..."... thus he is alive. Anything other than saying he is dead, would've just meant hes alive. And that pretty much takes out the suspense factor. The Databook is what it is, until proven otherwise by the manga. And thats it. I assume you do realize that Oda did want to make the reader think sabo was dead right?

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Unknown can mean dead as well actually.

Can you show me the Sbs, where it defined the structure of the WG?

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[LBeezy]

Lmfao

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This scan in particular actually just proves his point and shows that Zoro does in fact have elite reaction speed...

 

[-Akuma-]

Lmao

1.He still reacted to her attack, she just reacted to his attack by altering her trajectory to dodge.

2.You want to use early arc feats where Oda hypes up every fodder? Ok

Base Hyozou blocked a jet pistol from Luffy and poisoned him.

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Zoro blitzed drugged Hyozou

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Blitzed Hody under water

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That must mean Zoro's attack speed > Luffy . That is ofcourse if you want to start early arc fodder hype feats?

3.You ignored how a half dead Zoro was reacting to Kuma's attacks which were said to be lightspeed, now whether they were actually light speed or not is irrelevant because they were portrayed to be really fast regardless.





Might have been a slight exaggeration but the point is

-Sai has better Haki feats than Sanji
-Sai has the better DC

Sai's kicks are much stronger than Sanji featwise. Which just goes to show you how far Sanji is to Zoro going by feats, yet people keep lumping Sanji together with Zoro while being Salty when others say Zoro can compete with G2/G3 Luffy.

You gotta love the double standard, Sanji has no feats to say he can compete with Zoro, yet they are equals. But Zoro who does have feats to compete with G2/G3 is not allowed to be placed beside Luffy.

Sanji hasn't displayed arms but simple common sense, dictates that Sanji is stronger than Sai through damn power scaling. Sanji was able to competitively fight against DD's strongest subordinate while Sai beat someone lower ranked than Vergo. Feats wise Sanji has been give no time to shine, to say Sai has more DC is laughable. People insist Sanji and Zoro are around the same level due to how they've been in comparison for most of the manga and portrayal. I don't care about the Zoro and Luffy discussion so I won't talk about that I just commented on the crazy Sai and Sanji comparison.

 

[Love Cook]

Lmao

1.He still reacted to her attack, she just reacted to his attack by altering her trajectory to dodge.

2.You want to use early arc feats where Oda hypes up every fodder? Ok

Base Hyozou blocked a jet pistol from Luffy and poisoned him.

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Zoro blitzed drugged Hyozou

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Blitzed Hody under water

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lol everything you saying makes no sense.

1) If Zoro has such 'leet' reaction speed and top notch CoO skills, maybe he should've been able to sense her ultimate move of changing trajectory.
2) Luffy was on the offense against Hyozou he knocked the 3 henchmen away with basic jet pistols. And he wasn't poisoned because Luffy is immune. Hyozou never was in the opportunity to take a shot at Luffy. The end result would be the same against Luffy.
3) Did Zoro blitz Hody before he got put in a cage by Hody or after ?

 

[Hexuze]

Lmao

1.He still reacted to her attack, she just reacted to his attack by altering her trajectory to dodge.

Lmao indeed.

No, he didn't. It caught him off-guard, hence the exclamation when he strikes. The "!!?" bubble clearly shows poor reaction on Zolo's part. Lmfao, if Zoro's reaction was elite tier, then a mink changing it's trajectory shouldn't have been a problem and she would've got diced as soon as she hopped over Zoro. (I use the term diced very loosely)

Lol you don't understand. I don't care about this Luffy vs Zoro reaction speed debate since Luffy will always be stronger. I only dropped by to laugh at your statement that Zoro has elite reaction speed and state the obvious that Luffy is ofc stronger. I don't think Zoro's reaction speed is bad at all.

This scan in particular actually just proves his point and shows that Zoro does in fact have elite reaction speed...

Not at all. In fact, it contradicts that statement. He may get "elite" reaction speed soon considering the series seems to be picking up the pace rather quick but as of now I disagree.

 

[Insidious Smile]

Asura is a mode, the fact that he has more than one attack in it is all it takes to know that it's a mode. Both gears as well as DJ were stated or implied to be hard to sustain for a prolonged period of time. But they now basically became base for Sanji and Luffy. Something like that never happened with asura, 2 of 3 parallel power ups from EL are already conformed to be modes. I don't see why and how Zoro'd be treated differently from the rest of M3, unless his power boost was too OP to be a mode. Above everything else, Zoro calls it 9 sword style akin to one, two and 3 sword styles. So, it's more of a fighting style than an actual attack. The mere thought that Zoro doesn't have what it takes to compete with Luffy is absurd. The fact that Zoro's attack power exceeded that of pre gears Luffy when he was fighting someone that couldn't even put a dent on Zoro should be evident enough to say that Zoro will be leveling cities with every single attack he uses similar to Luffy in gear 4 when Zoro finally goes all out.



I don't like being involved with the guy that you were quoting but he didn't say anything about Luffy and Zoro being equal. He said they're comparable in strength with Luffy being the superior which is a fact supported by both manga. That's pretty much what the databook says, It says something like his fighting capacity is as high as Luffy's yet he follows the orders from the captain without raising his voice despite being that strong. Even in the manga, Oda had multiple people compare Zoro with his captain on multiple occasions. And the reason why people resorted to use DB is the fans who loves to deny everything no matter how much they're fed by the manga evidence. So, the opposite side is being forced to use data book as a last resort. Unfortunately, even that doesn't work as the fans in OP communities had better understanding of the manga than the people who're associated with the mangaka himself.:yeah:

I acknowledged the fact that Asura is a mode in a previous post.

How you think Zoro will be favored by the author of One Piece in the future is irrelevant, the fact is that Asura is a one hit attack (from what was shown in the manga), therefore Asura Zoro CAN'T compete with G2/G4 Luffy.

Can we please stop mentioning the databook? :lol

Lol what, you are ridiculous.

He was jumping between rocks, that is how he got close to pica.

Basically. Also keyword, essentially. Great reading skills, you just pick and choose what you want to see. lol k.

Because luffy is stupid and also because luffy attacks everyone with elephant gun

He has high CoO abilities, its obvious

I literally facepalmed at the stupidity you posted.

• Again with the "jumping between rocks" argument. Zoro jumped off of one boulder, and you make it seem like jumping "between rocks" is such an amazing feat when in reality it is not an amazing feat. You want to know what is an amazing feat? Being able to use Geppo.
  
• Basically is not a key word as it does not change the context of your message. Saying that Zoro's Shi shi Son son is "basically an instantaneous attack" is just as outrageous as saying Shi shi Son son is an actual instantaneous attack.
  
• I can prove with a manga fact that Luffy wouldn't use G3 against a swordsman, unlike your baseless argument stating that because Luffy is stupid he will use G3 against a swordsman.
  
• Don't be so dense! Zoro's use of CoO is average; Nowhere in the manga does it state or at the very least imply that Zoro's use of CoO is above average.

 

[ToshiZO]

lol everything you saying makes no sense.

1) If Zoro has such 'leet' reaction speed and top notch CoO skills, maybe he should've been able to sense her ultimate move of changing trajectory.
2) Luffy was on the offense against Hyozou he knocked the 3 henchmen away with basic jet pistols. And he wasn't poisoned because Luffy is immune. Hyozou never was in the opportunity to take a shot at Luffy. The end result would be the same against Luffy.
3) Did Zoro blitz Hody before he got put in a cage by Hody or after ?

1.? Ok he still reacted to her attack, she simply reacted to his as well. And nobody said he has top notch CoO skills.
2.LMAO ok? Luffy was on the offense? And? Is that supposed to be a point? Do you even know what you are quoting?

Basic Jet pistols LOL? And what did Zoro use against the Mink or Hody? No named slashes lool, you are only hurting yourself with this nonsense.

3.Another point that has nothing to do with anything and further shows your emotional attachment to this topic.

Lmfao dont bother quoting me again if you can't handle topics with Zoro in it. I can see a clear motive in these posts, not one point there addressed anything I said.

Lmao indeed.

No, he didn't. It caught him off-guard, hence the exclamation when he strikes. The "!!?" bubble clearly shows poor reaction on Zolo's part. Lmfao, if Zoro's reaction was elite tier, then a mink changing it's trajectory shouldn't have been a problem and she would've got diced as soon as she hopped over Zoro. (I use the term diced very loosely)

Lol you don't understand. I don't care about this Luffy vs Zoro reaction speed debate since Luffy will always be stronger. I only dropped by to laugh at your statement that Zoro has elite reaction speed and state the obvious that Luffy is ofc stronger. I don't think Zoro's reaction speed is bad at all.


Not at all. In fact, it contradicts that statement. He may get "elite" reaction speed soon considering the series seems to be picking up the pace rather quick but as of now I disagree.

You have no idea what reactions are. Having exclamation marks doesn't take away from reactions it isolates the reaction feat even further. The more surprised one is the purer the reaction feat. Nobody was talking about an observation feat or a prediction feat where Zoro has to know an attack is coming. Was talking about him reacting to incoming attacks which he did perfectly fine in that scenario.

He attacked her, she reacted. She attacked him, he reacted. Simple.

You can say his attack speed was slow therefore the mink reacted but then again I already showed you the exact same thing happening with Luffy against Hyozou.

Not to mention its laughable you completely ignore Zoro reacting to Kuma's paw pads while half dead, Kuma who is supposed to be among the fastest characters in the show, and instead you want to look at a fodder hype moment which Oda has at the beginning of every arc, something I countered in my last post with Luffy but was completely ignored.

Sanji hasn't displayed arms but simple common sense, dictates that Sanji is stronger than Sai through damn power scaling. Sanji was able to competitively fight against DD's strongest subordinate while Sai beat someone lower ranked than Vergo. Feats wise Sanji has been give no time to shine, to say Sai has more DC is laughable. People insist Sanji and Zoro are around the same level due to how they've been in comparison for most of the manga and portrayal. I don't care about the Zoro and Luffy discussion so I won't talk about that I just commented on the crazy Sai and Sanji comparison.

Yea just like its common sense Zoro is right behind Luffy and that he can compete with G2/G3 Luffy.

But people aren't using common sense here they want to use feats, that is why it was funny because Sanji has NO feats placing him on Zoro's level. Meanwhile Zoro does have feats saying he can tango with G2/G3, yet its Sanji who is getting lumped together with Zoro, but oh no Zoro is not allowed to be placed beside G2/G3 Luffy.

Pretty shitty arguments I'm seeing. All I see in this thread is whining by everyone, no one even dares to counter feats with feats.

And I'm not talking about you.

 

[Prince Badman]

I read on youtube, that oda stated, that zoro was on some arc stronger than luffy

does anyone know the source or which arc it was

I never read that Zoro was stronger but i definitely read that he was equivalent in terms of fighting ability....i think it was in the data books.....In the anime and manga it has often been exclaimed that with such monstrous strength how come Zoro is not the captain....I think Zoro is weaker than luffy but not by much...

 

[Olorin]

Hehe i see these still get out of control

 

[Love Cook]

1.? Ok he still reacted to her attack, she simply reacted to his as well. And nobody said he has top notch CoO skills.
2.LMAO ok? Luffy was on the offense? And? Is that supposed to be a point? Do you even know what you are quoting?

Basic Jet pistols LOL? And what did Zoro use against the Mink or Hody? No named slashes lool, you are only hurting yourself with this nonsense.

3.Another point that has nothing to do with anything and further shows your emotional attachment to this topic.

Lmfao dont bother quoting me again if you can't handle topics with Zoro in it. I can see a clear motive in these posts, not one point there addressed anything I said.

You're special man, you really are dumb as sh1t.

I will explain it one more time, try to keep up this time.

1) He didn't react to the attack, Zoro reacted at the moment she dodged, meaning he was too late. So if she according to you ' simply reacted' as well, that means that her reaction speed is far above Zoro's to be able to get out of the path of his moving sword. Also you need to read back in this topic because people clearly stated that Zoro excels in CoO which is never stated anywhere in tha manga.

So there you go, Boom roasted !

2) The difference between Zoro's fight with Hyozou and Luffy vs Hyozou was that Zoro was in a fight with the guy and Luffy just swatted him away once. Hyozou never had the opportunity to attack, so Luffy never had the opportunity to show that Hyozou can't hit him. You're using a situation that never happened a fight between Luffy and Hyozou to show that Zoro handled it better. When in fact the outcome of a Luffy vs Hyozou fight wouldn;t be any different from how Zoro handled it. Also the no name slashes Zoro used against the mink girl and Hody didn't finish them off, therefore ineffective.

Boom roasted !

3) Didn't know it was possible to get an emotional attachment after posting once in a topic with rational arguments against someone who talks out of his ass. And you didn't counter my point at all at three, it's just a personal attack because you know you got sh1t on this. Hody got back up after Zoro's amazing attack and put the green haired one hit one kill wonder in a cage.

Boom roasted !

As you can see, I'm not the one that has trouble with posting on threads that have Zoro in them, I have a sense of reality and I stick to what happened in the manga instead of splooging my load on my keyboard every time he comes up. You literally can't counter any of this because you're argumentation is full of assumptions and mine are black on white drawn by Oda. So if you want to make a fool out of yourself. Please reply.

 

[palmer]

this seriously ???

 

[LBeezy]

You're special man, you really are dumb as sh1t.

I will explain it one more time, try to keep up this time.

1) He didn't react to the attack, Zoro reacted at the moment she dodged, meaning he was too late. So if she according to you ' simply reacted' as well, that means that her reaction speed is far above Zoro's to be able to get out of the path of his moving sword. Also you need to read back in this topic because people clearly stated that Zoro excels in CoO which is never stated anywhere in tha manga.

So there you go, Boom roasted !

2) The difference between Zoro's fight with Hyozou and Luffy vs Hyozou was that Zoro was in a fight with the guy and Luffy just swatted him away once. Hyozou never had the opportunity to attack, so Luffy never had the opportunity to show that Hyozou can't hit him. You're using a situation that never happened a fight between Luffy and Hyozou to show that Zoro handled it better. When in fact the outcome of a Luffy vs Hyozou fight wouldn;t be any different from how Zoro handled it. Also the no name slashes Zoro used against the mink girl and Hody didn't finish them off, therefore ineffective.

Boom roasted !

3) Didn't know it was possible to get an emotional attachment after posting once in a topic with rational arguments against someone who talks out of his ass. And you didn't counter my point at all at three, it's just a personal attack because you know you got sh1t on this. Hody got back up after Zoro's amazing attack and put the green haired one hit one kill wonder in a cage.

Boom roasted !

As you can see, I'm not the one that has trouble with posting on threads that have Zoro in them, I have a sense of reality and I stick to what happened in the manga instead of splooging my load on my keyboard every time he comes up. You literally can't counter any of this because you're argumentation is full of assumptions and mine are black on white drawn by Oda. So if you want to make a fool out of yourself. Please reply.

I love the Michael Scott shout out.. lol and hey I don't want to argue or anything but that particular example with Zoro and Carrot is actually in fact showing that Zoro DOES have excellent reaction speed.

Zoro already swung his sword at her. That part of the scene is already in motion and there's nothing about him attacking that has anything to do with reaction speed. Because he has nothing to react to at that time. He initiated an attack. So it's Carrots turn to either just get sliced or react to it..

Which she did. She had good reaction speed as well.

Now once she jumped.. Zoro immediately thought to himself about what she just did.. like literally immediately.. he reacted right away..

Then when she went to attack him, he literally managed to compose himself after swinging his sword to attack, and swiftly switched to defense, pulling out ANOTHER sword and SUCCESSFULLY blocked her attack.

That's exactly what reacting is.
Which he did, fast..

So it's not wrong to say he has elite reaction speed. ESPECIALLY with that manga scan being an example..

 

[Love Cook]

I love the Michael Scott shout out.. lol and hey I don't want to argue or anything but that particular example with Zoro and Carrot is actually in fact showing that Zoro DOES have excellent reaction speed.

Zoro already swung his sword at her. That part of the scene is already in motion and there's nothing about him attacking that has anything to do with reaction speed. Because he has nothing to react to at that time. He initiated an attack. So it's Carrots turn to either just get sliced or react to it..

Which she did. She had good reaction speed as well.

Now once she jumped.. Zoro immediately thought to himself about what she just did.. like literally immediately.. he reacted right away..

Then when she went to attack him, he literally managed to compose himself after swinging his sword to attack, and swiftly switched to defense, pulling out ANOTHER sword and SUCCESSFULLY blocked her attack.

That's exactly what reacting is.
Which he did, fast..

So it's not wrong to say he has elite reaction speed. ESPECIALLY with that manga scan being an example..

Yes I can agree with that part, Carrot shown great reaction speed after the swing as well. But that either means that Zoro was anticipating for her to walk that path and to walk into his attack (CoO), or he was too soon and he got outmatched in speed (reaction), and there are two things that people are confusing with each other in this thread.

What I was saying that if Zoro has these amazing reflexes and the elite CoO people are bragging about, he should never have missed that strike.

I agree immediately with anyone who says that Zoro is fast, because his attacks are always shown as immediate, and appearing behind the enemy. I