[Theory] Zoro and Conqueror's Haki

[Kai NB]

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I am not saying that Zoro originally possessed Haoshoku Haki, however, my prediction is that he may have somehow obtained it.

First, we know the general information about Conqueror's Haki. As stated by Rayleigh, "It is the user's very spirit manifest".

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This basically is saying the user's spirit can act on the physical plane (Big stretch in generalization, but still true) So obviously, if you're spirit was born with it, you have it or you don't. However, Zoro is a special case.


Now this is where this theory ties in with another. Back when Zoro purchased Sandai Kitetsu in Loguetown, he knew that it was cursed, even considering it a problem child

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I believe that Sandai Kitetsu has its own spirit within it. Specifically Asura. That is the reason why Zoro can do otherwise unnatural things such as bend his swords or create extra limbs.

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I just want to make sure people understand one thing. This "spirit" is able to act on the physical plane. Though the user of said "spirit" is not truly the sword, but Zoro. So, Zoro himself doesn't have Haoshoku Haki, but as the user of the Asura spirit, which I believe does have it, Zoro can access it albeit in small increments.


The only example I have of this small increment is his battle with Monet. Using fear alone, or "spirit", Zoro was able to paralyze Monet, but not get her to pass out. Although, he still managed to "conquer" his opponent with his "spirit' alone. Notice how Tashigi described Monet as "paralyzed with fear"

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So basically, Zoro doesn't have Conqueror's Haki, but his Asura spirit mode does. What do you guys think? I know this is a stretch, but it's still plausible.

 

[ministerC4]

I love Mister Doctor Professor.

 

[Zorø]

I dnt mind if he has it but he doesnt need it tbh his killing intent is enough and hes badass without it already.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Zoro's appearance = Haoshoku Haki

Fodders get scared just by looking at him

 

[Love Cook]

Would be useless to have 2 main characters with the same ability on the sunny.

And now don't come up with examples like: "durrr but Roger Rayleigh and Shanks all had it too and they were on the same ship." That's true but they aren't in every chapter and they all more or less have it for the sake of the story. Rayleigh to teach Luffy. Shanks and Roger because they are PK and one is yonkou captain now.

I can't think of a situation where it would be useful or interesting where Luffy first takes out 50K fishman for example and Zoro does an additional 40. Or that Zoro would use it instead of Luffy. No, it's a very specific 1 in a million ability which would be weird to have twice on a 9 man crew.

Also sensing if something is cursed would fall under color of observation. Hence the word observation.

I'm fine with the demonic aura as it is. It basically does the same for now. It doesn't knock people out but it scares them shitless.

Also I think CoC will evolve into something much bigger later on.

 

[Tomato God]

No hes just a monster. That monet thing is because she genuinely knew she was dead in a cage with a tiger and at any point that tiger chose he could rip her to shreds. That is scary as fawk.
I don't know if you have seen a tiger.
But tigers make me not able to move.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Would be useless to have 2 main characters with the same ability on the sunny.

And now don't come up with examples like: "durrr but Roger Rayleigh and Shanks all had it too and they were on the same ship." That's true but they aren't in every chapter and they all more or less have it for the sake of the story. Rayleigh to teach Luffy. Shanks and Roger because they are PK and one is yonkou captain now.

I can't think of a situation where it would be useful or interesting where Luffy first takes out 50K fishman for example and Zoro does an additional 40. Or that Zoro would use it instead of Luffy. No, it's a very specific 1 in a million ability which would be weird to have twice on a 9 man crew.

Also sensing if something is cursed would fall under color of observation. Hence the word observation.

I'm fine with the demonic aura as it is. It basically does the same for now. It doesn't knock people out but it scares them shitless.

Also I think CoC will evolve into something much bigger later on.

If it's useless to have two main characters use the same Haki, then shouldn't the same apply to Zoro, Sanji and Luffy all having Busoshoku?

 

[Love Cook]

If it's useless to have two main characters use the same Haki, then shouldn't the same apply to Zoro, Sanji and Luffy all having Busoshoku?

Entirely different, you missed the point.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Entirely different, you missed the point.

No, I understood your point, I'm talking about that particular statement, as that part doesn't make much sense. While the rest of what you're saying holds, that part doesn't.

 

[Love Cook]

No, I understood your point, I'm talking about that particular statement, as that part doesn't make much sense. While the rest of what you're saying holds, that part doesn't.

Luffy uses CoA like a brawler on his arms and even his head. Zoro will probably never do that and will focus on his swords and slashes. Sanji will only apply it to his legs. They can be creative with that.

But CoC is basically a wink for now. Try to describe how Zoro would make that different enough to also have it. Or in what situation it would be useful for both Zoro and Luffy to have it. I doubt that if the situation calls for it that Zoro would use it instead of Luffy/

 

[ministerC4]

So much BS in the comments, everyone seems to believe they're this "Oda" guy.U_U
"That doesn't seem cool. So by such it's not getting in."
"I don't like the sound of that, so it's not likely."Lol

 

[Love Cook]

So much BS in the comments, everyone seems to believe they're this "Oda" guy.U_U
"That doesn't seem cool. So by such it's not getting in."
"I don't like the sound of that, so it's not likely."Lol

No it's common sense.

Like saying that Naruto would get sharingan, it would defeat the purpose of Sasuke having sharingan. You don't need to be Kishi to come to that conclusion.

It's not something that makes you 'cooler' if you have it. I think it would be cooler if the SH's have 9 different people.

The Sharingan is maybe a bad example because it can be implanted and a lot of people can unlock it, but CoC is even more exclusive so it would be weird for both Zoro and Luffy to have it.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Luffy uses CoA like a brawler on his arms and even his head. Zoro will probably never do that and will focus on his swords and slashes. Sanji will only apply it to his legs. They can be creative with that.

But CoC is basically a wink for now. Try to describe how Zoro would make that different enough to also have it. Or in what situation it would be useful for both Zoro and Luffy to have it. I doubt that if the situation calls for it that Zoro would use it instead of Luffy/

Who said the usages have to be completely different? There is no difference between the way Luffy would use Busoshoku and Sanji would it. Both would just use it to bypass Logia intangibility and to make their blows harder, Sanji using it on his legs and Luffy using it on his legs and arms and head isn't a significant difference and doesn't support your point.

You cited earlier what sense would it make for Luffy to knock out 50k and then have Zoro knock out 40k, but that's under the assumption that Zoro and Luffy will always be in the same place fighting together. What if Zoro and some of the weaker members like Nami and Chopper are trying to escape a building that has bombs about to go off, and a shitload of henchmen are trying to stall them so they all die for the sake of the villain. Luffy isn't there, and the ability to just knock em all out in a second rather than waste time fighting them would come in handy.

Shanks causing physical damage to Whitebeard's ship with Haoshoku and Luffy and Chinjao infusing Haoshoku into their fists is more than enough proof that Haoshoku will he expanded on and have more than we have seen currently, so no, it's not safe to say there would be no use for more than one person to have it. We still don't know the full set of uses of Haoshoku, so it's not like we can say for a fact that there will never be a time when Luffy can't do something with his Haoshoku under a certain situation, but someone else on his crew can with theirs. You should remember well what Sanji said to Usopp, "There's things I can do that you can't, and things you can do that I can't." There will be, and has been, times when something needed to be done, and as powerful as he is, Luffy couldn't do it and someone else had to. You can't say that will never happen with Haoshoku.

 

[Love Cook]

Who said the usages have to be completely different? There is no difference between the way Luffy would use Busoshoku and Sanji would it. Both would just use it to bypass Logia intangibility and to make their blows harder, Sanji using it on his legs and Luffy using it on his legs and arms and head isn't a significant difference and doesn't support your point.

You cited earlier what sense would it make for Luffy to knock out 50k and then have Zoro knock out 40k, but that's under the assumption that Zoro and Luffy will always be in the same place fighting together. What if Zoro and some of the weaker members like Nami and Chopper are trying to escape a building that has bombs about to go off, and a shitload of henchmen are trying to stall them so they all die for the sake of the villain. Luffy isn't there, and the ability to just knock em all out in a second rather than waste time fighting them would come in handy.

Shanks causing physical damage to Whitebeard's ship with Haoshoku and Luffy and Chinjao infusing Haoshoku into their fists is more than enough proof that Haoshoku will he expanded on and have more than we have seen currently, so no, it's not safe to say there would be no use for more than one person to have it. We still don't know the full set of uses of Haoshoku, so it's not like we can say for a fact that there will never be a time when Luffy can't do something with his Haoshoku under a certain situation, but someone else on his crew can with theirs. You should remember well what Sanji said to Usopp, "There's things I can do that you can't, and things you can do that I can't." There will be, and has been, times when something needed to be done, and as powerful as he is, Luffy couldn't do it and someone else had to. You can't say that will never happen with Haoshoku.

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[Bogard]

COC is almost 100% guaranteed for Zoro if he doesn't have it already

Potential qualities of a CoC user:

- Strength: Zoro More than qualifies
- Willpower: Zoro's is just about as strong as Luffy's
- Leadership: He's the first mate of the future King of the Seas (like Rayleigh) and people have been surprised that he isn't captain
- Presence: Zoro's aura has been harped on to high heavens and back even pre-skip

Rayleigh went under the title "Dark King" which links to charisma, leadership, and prestige. Characters with COC have had characteristics of just that as well as being legends. Rayleigh was second and command of the Roger pirates, so he, like Zoro has done throughout the series at times, lead his nakama whenever necessary(not to mention the parallelism around the fact they have both swordsmen and have a scar on one eye).

Rayleigh's existence also destroys the "the main trait of COC is charisma/having tons of followers" theory. COC as defined by Rayleigh personally is the ability to overpower the opponent's will and what it's most strongly linked to is just that, extremely strong willpower that is such a strong presence that opponents can easily feel it and be intimidated by it. There is hardly one character who fits this better than Zoro. His very introduction in the manga consisted of him giving off such a strong intimidating aura that he scared the piss out of a person just by that presence. His most remarkable moment in all 160 chapters since the timeskip, and the one that most strongly emphasized just how strong he has become, was a moment in which he made a relatively strong opponent into a nervous wreck just by intimidating them.

COC is unbreakable willpower. Basically the ability to never break under another's will. Zoro practically personifies this. It's the quality of having an unbreakable will that in turn makes others want to follow you. You are a presence whose confidence and demeanor inspires fear, respect or love and that's what draws people to you. Luffy's trait of being someone who easily makes allies is a personal quality of his and maybe the way his Haoshoku manifests... it's the same as Roger who managed to get another COC user to follow him.

 

[Punk Hazard]

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It's unbelievable how mentally incapable of debating you truly are.

 

[xXVergiliusXx]

Of course he has conqueror haki. His will is almost/thesame as Luffy's.

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Besides Rayleigh had it too being second in comand (just as Zoro)

 

[sravan]

i don't mind if he gets king's haki
I want all the SH members to have haki but not on the same level so that they can control and strengthen their df/non df attacks

 

[Punk Hazard]

Of course he has conqueror haki. His will is almost/thesame as Luffy's.

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Besides Rayleigh had it too being second in comand (just as Zoro)

Except Zoro isn't second in command

And Marco was second in command to Whitebeard, he doesn't have Haoshoku. Sabo is the second-in-command to Dragon who has Haoshoku, he hasn't shown any either. That's not a viable argument.

 

[Love Cook]

Of course he has conqueror haki. His will is almost/thesame as Luffy's.

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Besides Rayleigh had it too being second in comand (just as Zoro)

You can have all the willpower in the world and still don't have CoC, it's not a ability for everyone. So the amount of willpower says nothing if someone has that kind of haki or not.

And how does it help Zoro if Rayleigh had it ?