Zetsu vs Tsunade

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There is not a single point in that scan where he comes apart. It is one continuous piece being stretched, all the way down to the very last panel. You can't deny this; it is literally right there.

Fine. Still doesn't help your point though since it being capable of stretching to a certain extent doesn't mean that it won't break. It also doesn't help that the spore had been on him and growing for quite a bit. This point is never reached when Tsunade can easily overpower the spore in it's early stages. And as all scans have shown, the arms are never completely covered. All she'd have to do is move her arm to a position where she can grab the spores. Then it's over.

Zetsu gets raped. Shouldn't even be debatable. In fact if there were any other worthwhile threads I wouldn't be wasting my time.
 

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Fine. Still doesn't help your point though since it being capable of stretching to a certain extent doesn't mean that it won't break. It also doesn't help that the spore had been on him and growing for quite a bit. This point is never reached when Tsunade can easily overpower the spore in it's early stages. And as all scans have shown, the arms are never completely covered. All she'd have to do is move her arm to a position where she can grab the spores. Then it's over.

Zetsu gets raped. Shouldn't even be debatable. In fact if there were any other worthwhile threads I wouldn't be wasting my time.
Thanks, I accept your concession on that point.
Tsunade can't stretch the spores any further than her arms length, which is less far than the golem was stretching them from akatsuchi's body.

You're only wasting your time because you keep having to reread the same points. Want to know why? Because I already said this:
The spores can move, and engulf her hands/arms before anything else.
You're the one who said she doesn't need to rip them off and now you're saying she does.
Which as I just restated, won't work. The spores can move and engulf her hands.
No hard feelings if you wanna admit that she loses to the technique. You've put up a decent effort.
 

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The only reason she "can't" move is because she's being restrained. Where is the evidence that the spores are strong enough to restrain someone with Tsunade's physical power? :lol Not to mention Katsuyu can melt it.

You people really need to stop wanking Zetsu. He's not a fighter for a reason. Don't pit him against Kage level opponents and expect him to win.

lol...this happened in Canon and he was winning.
 

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lol...this happened in Canon and he was winning.

He's not going to respond; he's given up. So i guess we're all on the same page here then she can't break free of spores.
 

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Dkdankong, do me a favor and stfu. Easily one of the more annoying members on here.

Thanks, I accept your concession on that point.
Tsunade can't stretch the spores any further than her arms length, which is less far than the golem was stretching them from akatsuchi's body.

You're only wasting your time because you keep having to reread the same points. Want to know why? Because I already said this:
The spores can move, and engulf her hands/arms before anything else.
You're the one who said she doesn't need to rip them off and now you're saying she does.
Which as I just restated, won't work. The spores can move and engulf her hands.
No hard feelings if you wanna admit that she loses to the technique. You've put up a decent effort.

Except she doesnt. And once again I see that your inability to comprehend the english language foils you again. I stated that she doesnt have to go straight to ripping them off. Not that shed never have to rip them off. If you are still confused then by all means say so so i can explain how those two statements are different.

And no. What you stated is irrelevant since both of your arguments only work if Zetsu reaches the size it did when it wrapped around Akatsuchi, which it wont unless Tsunade waits for it to do so. And in the midst of your disgusting wank fest, you forgot to note that spores are a time delayed jutsu. Tsunade would kill him in tge first minute of this match, amd it took the spores far longer than a minute for the spores to activate.

And even if these spores could move before they have grown to ful size, which is a baseless claim until you can actually suport it with evidence, it would be after they land, not before. Spores are released into the air and they attach themselves to the enemy. In all instances of their release, the arms have never been bound. Thus they wont be here.

Tsunade rapes him. Lets cut the bs.

lol...this happened in Canon and he was winning.

Where? Please dont post Spiral Zetsu with Yamatos power.
 

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So why doesn't chakra scalpel cut them cleanly again?
 

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Lol was just about to mention that. Prepare for more bs tho
 

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And even if these spores could move before they have grown to ful size, which is a baseless claim until you can actually suport it with evidence, it would be after they land, not before. Spores are released into the air and they attach themselves to the enemy. In all instances of their release, the arms have never been bound. Thus they wont be here.
Sorry if i hurt your feelings bubba

Time delayed has never ever meant that the time cannot be controlled.
time-delay (ˈtaɪmdɪˌleɪ)
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(electronics) (of a device) having a delay between two operations, designed to make it safer or more efficient
The reason they were used then was because that was when the battle was transferred to that room.

On Chojuro's arm, you can see the
You can see how quickly they engulf Mei. She does not have time to counter. Unless you want to try and argue she didn't have intent to kill.

And the spores again moving:


Also a tactic I haven't mentioned yet,
Black Zetsu can punch a hole through her torso, allowing spores to grow inside of her. After she heals it, the spores absorb her chakra from the inside out, similar to Shino's newest bug.
 

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Ill reply later, but from what i see here, that inability to read is hurting your post quality. Again.
 

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Ill reply later, but from what i see here, that inability to read is hurting your post quality. Again.

It seems like you feel your intelligence is being questioned or threatened and you keep falling to personal attacks.
If you have counters, then counter.
 

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1. No real concrete counter to her physically removing it.
2. [ ]-[ ]. Tsunade just applies it onto the Zetsu spores like Onoki did with weighted rock.

Spores GG. Lol.
 
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1. No real concrete counter to her physically removing it.
2. [ ]-[ ]. Tsunade just applies it onto the Zetsu spores like Onoki did with weighted rock.

Spores GG. Lol.

What does that attack do?
 

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Sorry if i hurt your feelings bubba

Time delayed has never ever meant that the time cannot be controlled.
time-delay (ˈtaɪmdɪˌleɪ)
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(electronics) (of a device) having a delay between two operations, designed to make it safer or more efficient
The reason they were used then was because that was when the battle was transferred to that room.

Then get evidence, cause your opinion means nothing here. Your definition doesn't even help your point. They don't activate on command. They are time delayed activations. If he dies before it's activated, the battle is lost.

On Chojuro's arm, you can see the
You can see how quickly they engulf Mei. She does not have time to counter. Unless you want to try and argue she didn't have intent to kill.

I'll just repeat what I said.

And even if these spores could move before they have grown to full size,

That addresses the Chojuro part, adn the Mei part is irrelevant since you have no idea how quickly they engulfed her, and even then it wasn't her arms.



And the spores again moving:

And even if these spores could move before they have grown to full size,

it would be after they land,

Already been addressed.

Also a tactic I haven't mentioned yet,
Black Zetsu can punch a hole through her torso, allowing spores to grow inside of her. After she heals it, the spores absorb her chakra from the inside out, similar to Shino's newest bug.

You shouldn't have bothered to mention this, because this is by far the dumbest thing I've read in this entire thread. What will Tsunade be doing while Black Zetsu gets close enough to punch a hole in her torso? Twiddling her thumbs? Lol. If he tries this, she responds with her own punch and then he dies. Simple as that.
 

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Then get evidence, cause your opinion means nothing here. Your definition doesn't even help your point. They don't activate on command. They are time delayed activations. If he dies before it's activated, the battle is lost.



I'll just repeat what I said.



That addresses the Chojuro part, adn the Mei part is irrelevant since you have no idea how quickly they engulfed her, and even then it wasn't her arms.








Already been addressed.



You shouldn't have bothered to mention this, because this is by far the dumbest thing I've read in this entire thread. What will Tsunade be doing while Black Zetsu gets close enough to punch a hole in her torso? Twiddling her thumbs? Lol. If he tries this, she responds with her own punch and then he dies. Simple as that.

lol, no. You have no evidence behind what you're trying to prove and its not my job to disprove what you're saying until you prove it first. The spores didn't immediately trigger because why would he activate the spores in that moment?
Kill him before they activate? Oh like how the raikage snapped Zetsu's neck.
It engulfed Mei past the elbow, which is enough to restrict the arms.
Black Zetsu could travel via mayfly and sneak up on her like he did madara, while white zetsu's clones are running at her from the front.
 

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lol, no. You have no evidence behind what you're trying to prove and its not my job to disprove what you're saying until you prove it first. The spores didn't immediately trigger because why would he activate the spores in that moment?
Kill him before they activate? Oh like how the raikage snapped Zetsu's neck.
It engulfed Mei past the elbow, which is enough to restrict the arms.
Black Zetsu could travel via mayfly and sneak up on her like he did madara, while white zetsu's clones are running at her from the front.

Striked is irrelevant since I've made no claim related to anything being discussed here besides Tsunade being able to break out. You are the one who thinks Zetsu spores can move before growing to full size, thus you have to prove it. You are the one who believes that it can be activated whenever, but the Manga shows it being time delayed. The Manga shows that you need Senjutsu to activate it manually. Once again, your opinion is 100% irrelevant to me.

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Underlined is you trying to prove your argument with a question, a question that doesn't matter.

It engulfing Tsunade how it did Mei gives her room to escape, as already stated.

And no. Zetsu never sneaks up on a shinobi who is actually watching him unlike Madara. Pretty damn hilarious that you actually think he can sneak up on JJ Madara, the second best sensor in the Manga in a real fight though.
 

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Striked is irrelevant since I've made no claim related to anything being discussed here besides Tsunade being able to break out. You are the one who thinks Zetsu spores can move before growing to full size, thus you have to prove it. You are the one who believes that it can be activated whenever, but the Manga shows it being time delayed. The Manga shows that you need Senjutsu to activate it manually. Once again, your opinion is 100% irrelevant to me.

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Underlined is you trying to prove your argument with a question, a question that doesn't matter.

It engulfing Tsunade how it did Mei gives her room to escape, as already stated.

And no. Zetsu never sneaks up on a shinobi who is actually watching him unlike Madara. Pretty damn hilarious that you actually think he can sneak up on JJ Madara, the second best sensor in the Manga in a real fight though.

When has it shown to need senjutsu to activate manually?
The spores take her hands out first, going up her arms. As they travel up her arms, she has no way to remove them. She can't withstand the chakra-drain forever. He doesn't need to fully engulf her to render her arms useless.
Tsunade won't be watching him, she'll be fighting off spores and clones and he'll mayfly behind her.
 

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What da F did i just read XD
Zetsu is made by Black + White. They can fight at the same time. Black Zetsu is far more than enough to solo Tsunade, anyway.

Zetsu is so incredibly underrated. People don't even know his abilities probably, or since he doesn't have big AoE attacks these abilities are deemed as nothing impressive. Typical shitty DBZ logic, but that doesn't work with Naruto: Deidara can destroy a village with ease, Itachi or Kakashi (if not DMS version) cannot, still they can fodderize Deidara with their hax and skills. Part 1 Temari showed more destructive feats than Hidan, I guess she's more powerful than him? I don't think.

People have the misconception that Zetsu isn't a good fighter, but that's only true for White Zetsu, not for the other half Black Zetsu. It's clearly made a difference ( )( ). Also not being able to take on Pain Arc SM Naruto and Pain Arc Kakashi it's not that detrimental, I'd say, for Zetsu, but we know that White Zetsu is more a support, with his clones and supplementary skills, for Black Zetsu who is the fighter, and still fights with guerrilla tactics and not directly.

KCM Naruto's Kage Bunshin is able to outperform the 3rd Raikage and land Rasenshuriken on him even without any external help ( ). An equally powerful Kage Bunshin even with the help of the Mizukage, Genma, Raido and some other strong jonin and chunin level ninja (so not top tiers but at least decent level shinobi) is unable to defeat Black Zetsu and to hit him with Rasenshuriken ( ). The fact that Black Zetsu was "defeated" by Chojuro is not detrimental to him, as Zetsu was playing around and didn't expect Chojuro's sword to have that unpredictable effect (even all the other people around were surprised. A focused Black Zetsu is able to react to KCM Naruto (with his no full Shunshin speed, yeah, that is not as good as his full Shunshin speed but still on par with Itachi ( ), Obito ( ) and V1 Raikage ( ), not bad I'd say) and to Kakashi (who is able to blitz Zabuza, to outspeed Obito ( )( ) and to keep up with Gated Gai ( ) even counterblitzing Sharingan and Rinnegan enhanced V2 landing Raikiri on them ( ) and also is hyped for his speed ( )) together with Minato ( ), even evading quick attacks from Minato faster than he can even finish them ( ). Someone able to react to said speedsters would laugh at Choujuro if serious and focused on him, logically. Not to mention that Black Zetsu was perfectly alive and kicking after Chojuro's trick anyway.

It's true that Black Zetsu admitted that he would die in seconds against Kakashi and Minato ( ). Well then, out that god tiers and top tiers, how many S-rank/kage level shinobi won't die in seconds against Kakashi with Kamui and Minato with Hiraishin? So I don't see that statement as detrimental at all. Zetsu is not that powerful if he fights the opponent directly, but if he uses guerrilla tactics, which are what his skillset allows him, he is very tough.

With great reflexes, as showed, such to react to great speedsters with relative ease, he also has sensory abilities ( )( ), and can move at great speed thanks to his Kagero, also someway melting with the surroundings ( )( )( )( ), and once he does that only a Rinnegan user can see him (it's not like everyone has a Rinnegan), and he can do that even splitting his body to be completely unnoticed ( ). With these skills, he can evade the majority of attacks, even fast or wide AoE ones, and he also can take most people by surprise: to his speed and mobility he can supplement his clones with Kisei Bunshin (White Zetsu's clones: they aren't powerful but can be very useful, for example they were able to set Zetsu's spores at the Gokage meeting with the Gokage unable to tell that ( )( ); defeating the clones can bring out Hoshi no jutsu, Zetsu's spores, that can bloom on people remaining unnoticed and then suck out people's chakra).

Black Zetsu is really hard to kill, he is basically like a black jelly in his true form, we witnessed how cutting his body in half does literally nothing to him ( )( ). He can take advantage of this to outlast his enemies or to take them by surprise: the combo of his mobility skills, supplementary skills and how hard is to kill him make him a tough opponent for most of S-rank/kage level shinobi. Most of people can't hit him, and even if they hit him, they won't kill him. While he can outlast them or take them by surprise, and suck dry their chakra or simply jump on the opponent and stick on him possessing and making them kill themselves; most of people don't have Obito's willpower to avoid Zetsu controlling them, even dying Obito's willpower is far above the one of people like Mei Terumi for example. Let's also not forget how Zetsu has great knowledge of nearly every opponent he can face thanks to the info he gathered. Zetsu can also use Mokuton.

To kill Zetsu you need to be able to actually hit him (which is very difficult due to his great movement speed and mobility with Kagero and with his reflexes and sensory skills) in first place and to make enough damage to erase him or have hax to defeat him (cutting him in half for example does nothing to him): you need attacks like Bijuu Dama to destroy him or hax like Kamui to take him out, but most people don't have things like that. Most people aren't actually able to put down Zetsu and to avoid him possessing them or sucking their chakra. I don't really see how Mu, 3rd Raikage, 2nd Mizukage, MS Sasuke, SM Naruto, Onoki, Jiraiya, Kakuzu, Hebi Sasuke, Deidara, Sasori, Shippuden and War Gaara, Fuuton training Naruto, Part 1 Kakashi, Old Hiruzen, Hidan, Konan, Darui, Tsunade, Mei Terumi, Mifune and below are actually defeating Zetsu for good.

Actually I don't see how Itachi is defeating Zetsu 10 times on 10. Zetsu is definitely able to react to his speed, if he could react to faster characters than Itachi. Zetsu can laugh about Itachi's base skills, since kunai, Suiton or Katon aren't doing shit to him, and he can dodge them anyway, but anyway he isn't taking any damage. He can fight as a jelly avoiding eye contact and so Sharingan genjutsu. He can move dodging Susanoo, Totsuka sword and Amaterasu, and even if it Susanoo can cut him in half and still do nothing, Amaterasu can kill him and he will just take out the part and be fine, only Totsuka will defeat him by sealing, but is it actually hitting him? I don't believe by feats. If Itachi doesn't manage to make a strategy to hit him with Totsuka or Tsukuyomi he can lose by being outlasted or by having his chakra drained, especially as he nearly faints everytime he uses Mangekyo, as seen in his fight with Sasuke, and even in part 1 he showed signs of great fatigue.

Minato too won't have an easy time. We already witnessed that Zetsu is able to react to his speed, Minato can manage to hit him with Hiraishin by setting marks and using his marked kunai, but a Rasengan or a kunai slash will do shit to Zetsu. Minato will win only with Shisho Fuuin.

I can see only God Tiers, Top Tiers, and people like MS/MS + Rinnegan Obito (Kamui), War Arc 1MS Kakashi (Kamui), Nagato (Chibaku Tensei), BM/BSM Naruto (Bijuu Dama, Cho Odama Rasenshuriken), 7th Gate Gai (blitz + Hiru Tora + Asa Kujaku) and so on winning against Zetsu 10 times on 10. He defeats most of the S-rank and kage level shinobi.
 

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When has it shown to need senjutsu to activate manually?
The spores take her hands out first, going up her arms. As they travel up her arms, she has no way to remove them. She can't withstand the chakra-drain forever. He doesn't need to fully engulf her to render her arms useless.
Tsunade won't be watching him, she'll be fighting off spores and clones and he'll mayfly behind her.



Not even relevant as there is a scan of Onoki stating it's a time delay jutsu.

And no, the spores will start to form the same way they did for everyone in the Manga, and there was room for resistance for everyone who was caught. Thus Tsunade breaks out and one shots Zetsu. She doesn't need to withstand the chakra drain forever when the spores won't be on her forever.

Oh wait, it's a time delay jutsu. He dies before it ever activates. Not debatable, so stop trying.
 

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Not even relevant as there is a scan of Onoki stating it's a time delay jutsu.

And no, the spores will start to form the same way they did for everyone in the Manga, and there was room for resistance for everyone who was caught. Thus Tsunade breaks out and one shots Zetsu. She doesn't need to withstand the chakra drain forever when the spores won't be on her forever.

Oh wait, it's a time delay jutsu. He dies before it ever activates. Not debatable, so stop trying.

For the second time, I'm not even going to address the rest of this before you counter this part since I already said it. The spores wont activate after he dies like when the raikage broke his neck?
 

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For the second time, I'm not even going to address the rest of this before you counter this part since I already said it. The spores wont activate after he dies like when the raikage broke his neck?

Are you asking me if they will? Cause if you are then all you need to do is read the Manga and you'll find out that this is wrong since they activated over 3 chapters after Raikage initially killed Zetsu. If you are saying they will, then you get the same answer. Read the Manga. :lol
 
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