I didn't say Zabuza was fodder lol I said pts naruto and sasuke were fodders and people seem to overrate Zabuza and his silent killing. Has he ever killed anybody of importance with it? Also, by Naruto standards he is mid jonin level at best, and that is a high compliment considering how OP the characters have become. I like Zabuza as a character, but he loses this fight.
Hey Shayne I know you like Zabuzua and all but didn't we have this convo before and Zabuza lost the match up.
Remember all those counters Chiyo had for all of Zabuzua attacks + the puppets that would equal Zabuza so much in battle. The location you picked would be so easy for Chiyo to fight in.
All those trees she can use to climb the mist and stage battle attacks. Remember it would be hit or be hit so it basically 11 vs 1. The mist is in the air and she has so many counters for Zabuza it is not even funny. Plus you have to look at it like this. Zabuza is going to be fighting next to the lake.
I didn't say Zabuza was fodder lol I said pts naruto and sasuke were fodders and people seem to overrate Zabuza and his silent killing. Has he ever killed anybody of importance with it? Also, by Naruto standards he is mid jonin level at best, and that is a high compliment considering how OP the characters have become. I like Zabuza as a character, but he loses this fight.
Just because characters shown are so op that makes Zabuza less than what he is? There's something called tiers...the ninja's shown are like god tier...Zabuza is high jounin-low kage. Just look at my facking tier list and ull see.
Zabuza is winning this fight, u havent even countered me lol
Hey Shayne I know you like Zabuzua and all but didn't we have this convo before and Zabuza lost the match up.
Remember all those counters Chiyo had for all of Zabuzua attacks + the puppets that would equal Zabuza so much in battle. The location you picked would be so easy for Chiyo to fight in.
All those trees she can use to climb the mist and stage battle attacks. Remember it would be hit or be hit so it basically 11 vs 1. The mist is in the air and she has so many counters for Zabuza it is not even funny. Plus you have to look at it like this. Zabuza is going to be fighting next to the lake.
Databook Ninjutsu Taijutsu Genjutsu Intelligence Strength Speed Stamina Hand seals Total
First 4.5 4.5 2.5 3 4 4 4 4 30.5
Chiyo Stats
Databook Ninjutsu Taijutsu Genjutsu Intelligence Strength Speed Stamina Hand seals Total
Third 5 4.5 3.5 5 3.5 4 2 4.5 32
Kakashi Stats
Databook Ninjutsu Taijutsu Genjutsu Intelligence Strength Speed Stamina Hand seals Total
First 5 4 4 4.5 3.5 4 3 5 33
Sakura stats
Databook Ninjutsu Taijutsu Genjutsu Intelligence Strength Speed Stamina Hand seals Total
First 1.5 1 3 3.5 0.5 1 1 4 15.5
Chiyo nijutsu, Genjutsu, intelligence, Hand seals> Zabuza. The only thing zabuza got on chiyo is strength and stamina which won't be a problem for chiyo since she only use chakra string. Chiyo dodge hundre of senbon and munipulate sakura at the same time. Dodging zabuza blade won't be a problem. Now that i think about it, i don't see zabuza can land a hit on chiyo at all. If someone speed like sakura can react to zabuza behind them and able to turn, i don't see it a problem for chiyo at all.
Databook Ninjutsu Taijutsu Genjutsu Intelligence Strength Speed Stamina Hand seals Total
First 4.5 4.5 2.5 3 4 4 4 4 30.5
Chiyo Stats
Databook Ninjutsu Taijutsu Genjutsu Intelligence Strength Speed Stamina Hand seals Total
Third 5 4.5 3.5 5 3.5 4 2 4.5 32
Kakashi Stats
Databook Ninjutsu Taijutsu Genjutsu Intelligence Strength Speed Stamina Hand seals Total
First 5 4 4 4.5 3.5 4 3 5 33
Sakura stats
Databook Ninjutsu Taijutsu Genjutsu Intelligence Strength Speed Stamina Hand seals Total
First 1.5 1 3 3.5 0.5 1 1 4 15.5
Chiyo nijutsu, Genjutsu, intelligence, Hand seals> Zabuza. The only thing zabuza got on chiyo is strength and stamina which won't be a problem for chiyo since she only use chakra string. Chiyo dodge hundre of senbon and munipulate sakura at the same time. Dodging zabuza blade won't be a problem. Now that i think about it, i don't see zabuza can land a hit on chiyo at all. If someone speed like sakura can react to zabuza behind them and able to turn, i don't see it a problem for chiyo at all.
What kind of argument is this??!? Using only data book scores to determine a fight? Do you know how to debate??
I'll use your argument against you, Kakashi ninjutsu, Genjutsu, intelligence, Hand seals> Zabuza. The only thing zabuza got on Kakashi is strength and stamina. Yet, this is what happened to Kakashi, who has a 33 in the db where Chiyo only has a 32:
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If we are using just data book scores to determine this fight, which is retarded, then Zabuza still wins because he had Kakashi beat who has a 33 and Chiyo only has a 32.
Sakura was not able to react, she noticed someone behind her because Zabuza was like 10 feet away just for plot, if Kakashi didn't intercept Sakura would be dead, obviously.
As I already explained Zabuza has shown to kill Special Jounin and Chuunin who are way stronger than Part 1 Sakura with no diff:
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Zabuza for some reason appearing so far away from Sakura by the bridge builder was just plot, as I just proved ninja leagues about genin Sakura got easily stomped by Zabuza when he didn't even have his huge ass sword. If he can appear right behind special jounin level ninja and easily silent kill them with just a kunai, when he has his huge sword, he is capable of getting jounin+ ninja.
BTW Chiyo knew Sasori's senbon patters and is a master puppeteer herself so she knows how to dodpe puppet's mechanisms. Saying since she can dodge senbon means she can dodge Zabuza is retarded. With Zabuza, she can't see and can't sense Zabuza. It's a whole different style of fighting. Also I don't know why you brought up that ignorant argument because I already stated it's more than likely Zabuza's Suiton (GVJ), takes care of this fight.
Zabuza wins most likely, Read the OP, there's nothing more to add, Zabuza is an expert atacking at blindspots, Chiyo can't protect herself with puppets
Just because characters shown are so op that makes Zabuza less than what he is? There's something called tiers...the ninja's shown are like god tier...Zabuza is high jounin-low kage. Just look at my facking tier list and ull see.
Zabuza is winning this fight, u havent even countered me lol
Low Kage level? XD I don't think so. Well, people are entitled to their opinions I suppose. There is no point in countering with something you are simply going to deny or not taking into consideration. Btw, I don't think your tiers are considered "word of God" by any means, regardless of how many people agree with them.
Zabuza wins most likely, Read the OP, there's nothing more to add, Zabuza is an expert atacking at blindspots, Chiyo can't protect herself with puppets
Low Kage level? XD I don't think so. Well, people are entitled to their opinions I suppose. There is no point in countering with something you are simply going to deny or not taking into consideration. Btw, I don't think your tiers are considered "word of God" by any means, regardless of how many people agree with them.
When she is blinded, she'll be at an obvious disadvantage which is further exasperated by the fact that Zabuza is already faster than her. Furthermore, while Chiyo can block Zabuza's suiton with her chakra shields on her puppets, the force of the water dragon jutsu would send them far away despite them tanking the attack and this is when Zabuza can come in and kill her.
When she is blinded, she'll be at an obvious disadvantage which is further exasperated by the fact that Zabuza is already faster than her. Furthermore, while Chiyo can block Zabuza's suiton with her chakra shields on her puppets, the force of the water dragon jutsu would send them far away despite them tanking the attack and this is when Zabuza can come in and kill her.
I will exam this thread and counter all your points later. With the amount of defense Chiyo shows with her ablitiy to connect with someone using charka strings. I say Zabuzua is out of his element. This forest is the last place he want to fight her. It be similar to Shino vs the sand sibling , but with the opposite effect from a more skillful each deadly puppet on one finger not in hand. +Plus the suction she would do to his mist from above. Mist gone.
I really want to see Zabuza come out with his four other clones vs seven other puppets.
I really want to see water jam her suction it is this not like wood which made it jam before. This location has water, but what if she goes deeper in the woods. Would he really follow. He is no Kisame who creates water out of air.
He would have to stay close to the water. What if she decides to wait him out. Is he really going to leave the water.
I will exam this thread and counter all your points later. With the amount of defense Chiyo shows with her ablitiy to connect with someone using charka strings. I say Zabuzua is out of his element. This forest is the last place he want to fight her. It be similar to Shino vs the sand sibling , but with the opposite effect from a more skillful each deadly puppet on one finger not in hand. +Plus the suction she would do to his mist from above. Mist gone.
I really want to see Zabuza come out with his four other clones vs seven other puppets.
I really want to see water jam her suction it is this not like wood which made it jam before. This location has water, but what if she goes deeper in the woods. Would he really follow. He is no Kisame who creates water out of air.
He would have to stay close to the water. What if she decides to wait him out. Is he really going to leave the water.
The suction tech spits out everything it sucks after it crushes it back out u idiot!! Mist not gone, mist stay
He didn't just use 4 Water Clones! He used a dozen, just count the number of swords shown in that scan, it's clear as day.
Chiyo is going to run away from the water and Zabuza is going to run and follow her?? If Chiyo runs away from Zabuza and doesn't fight him, that's a defeat right there. The battlefield is the location specified, Chiyo is not allowed to run to a different location....u must be handicapped
Honestly I am done debating anything with u. U say the dumbest shit. Don't even bother "countering"
The suction tech spits out everything it sucks after it crushes it back out u idiot!! Mist not gone, mist stay
He didn't just use 4 Water Clones! He used a dozen, just count the number of swords shown in that scan, it's clear as day.
Chiyo is going to run away from the water and Zabuza is going to run and follow her?? If Chiyo runs away from Zabuza and doesn't fight him, that's a defeat right there. The battlefield is the location specified, Chiyo is not allowed to run to a different location....u must be handicapped
Honestly I am done debating anything with u. U say the dumbest shit. Don't even bother "countering"
You can be done debating with me but the location you pick is big. It does not just consist with a big lake. Look again at the episode or reread the manga or do you want me to post it for you. I never said she would run out of the location just go deeper in the woods.
You say handicap , but just look at the thumbs up I received compared to yours. I been around longer and most of them is through debates or theories. Most of what I say is logically. But your mad because your dude get soloed by a 50+ year old woman. If the mist goes out the back but think about what is mist before you speak.
Mist is water vapors in the air you fool. Once the suction picks it up it is dispersing from the power of the suction this is comparable to a strong
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pushing mist. So no it would not go out the back as mist probable drain more to droplets water.
Lastly, who people going to believe someone with 63 recieved points against someone with 127 who actually read the whole manga + anime. Let us not talk dumb if you believe the mist,still is mist, you really need to stop reading a manga and start going back to school. I will tutor you and then give you a wooping. I will be your bff , but your worst enemy.
We are both wrong because in manga it shows that many on top ,but the anime @ 20:00 it shows seven.
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Still not a dozen. The water clones being weak getting beat by a not even a chunnin level Sasuke ,but a gennin because he has yet to take the chunnin exams. So it be 8 vs 8. With the suction puppets taking out the mist.
One zabuza and 7 max clones we seen him put out vs Chiyo and 7 puppets.
These 7 puppets beat many of Sasori strongest puppets who tooken on a nation while, on the other hand Zabuza water clones got beat by a gennin.
You can be done debating with me but the location you pick is big. It does not just consist with a big lake. Look again at the episode or reread the manga or do you want me to post it for you. I never said she would run out of the location just go deeper in the woods.
You say handicap , but just look at the thumbs up I received compared to yours. I been around longer and most of them is through debates or theories. Most of what I say is logically. But your mad because your dude get soloed by a 50+ year old woman. If the mist goes out the back but think about what is mist before you speak.
Mist is water vapors in the air you fool. Once the suction picks it up it is dispersing from the power of the suction this is comparable to a strong
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pushing mist. So no it would not go out the back as mist probable drain more to droplets water.
Lastly, who people going to believe someone with 63 recieved points against someone with 127 who actually read the whole manga + anime. Let us not talk dumb if you believe the mist,still is mist, you really need to stop reading a manga and start going back to school. I will tutor you and then give you a wooping. I will be your bff , but your worst enemy.
Got beaten by a 50 year old woman? Kakashi is a 50 year old woman?? WTF are u talking about! You.are.a.retard
Mist in the manga isn't like mist in real life dipshit, it's infused with Zabuza's powerful chakra, it will not disperse. The mist didn't even disperse after Jinpachi used multiple explosions, which with our logic, would disperse it:
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Did u actually just bring up rep points to prove you out debate me.....you have over 1000 more posts than me....if I had that many I'd have more, but honestly wgaf??
We are both wrong because in manga it shows that many on top ,but the anime @ 20:00 it shows seven.
[video=vimeo;58824475]http://vimeo.com/58824475[/video]
Still not a dozen. The water clones being weak getting beat by a not even a chunnin level Sasuke ,but a gennin because he has yet to take the chunnin exams. So it be 8 vs 8. With the suction puppets taking out the mist.
One zabuza and 7 max clones we seen him put out vs Chiyo and 7 puppets.
These 7 puppets beat many of Sasori strongest puppets who tooken on a nation while, on the other hand Zabuza water clones got beat by a gennin.
Ahhhhh you are honestly the dumbest kid I have ever countered on this site!
At the bold, u just said it showed "that many" so u agreed it showed 12. But you're saying I'm wrong because it may show 12 in the canon manga, but only seven in the anime?? WHY ARE U PUTTING ANIME OVER MANGA U FOOL
My argument doesn't even involve the amount of Water Clones because I'm saying Zabuza's Suiton will take her out.
Now I'm done, every post u make is always filled with the dumbest shit and I honestly don't know how u got all that rep
Got beaten by a 50 year old woman? Kakashi is a 50 year old woman?? WTF are u talking about! You.are.a.retard
Mist in the manga isn't like mist in real life dipshit, it's infused with Zabuza's powerful chakra, it will not disperse. The mist didn't even disperse after Jinpachi used multiple explosions, which with our logic, would disperse it:
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Did u actually just bring up rep points to prove you out debate me.....you have over 1000 more posts than me....if I had that many I'd have more, but honestly wgaf??
Ahhhhh you are honestly the dumbest kid I have ever countered on this site!
At the bold, u just said it showed "that many" so u agreed it showed 12. But you're saying I'm wrong because it may show 12 in the canon manga, but only seven in the anime?? WHY ARE U PUTTING ANIME OVER MANGA U FOOL
My argument doesn't even involve the amount of Water Clones because I'm saying Zabuza's Suiton will take her out.
Now I'm done, every post u make is always filled with the dumbest shit and I honestly don't know how u got all that rep
Wow your a slow cookie man. You take the cake now. Let me help you out. Read the title you made it is called" Zabuza vs Chiyo." Is this not the topice? 50+ woman is Chiyo.... Why are you saying Kakashi. Let me help you out with this one. I am saying your favorite guy is losing to a 50+ woman. That is on the nice end of the age stick because she is clearly an elder who can easy beat your regular mist ninja. She is so old she had to come out of an retirement just to go back to work, maybe so old she would get discounts on ramen for seniors. Anyways lets get back to Zabuza
He was not the leader of the 7 swords man he was just a member. Not even a general of the mist village, Zabuza, lived with minor criminals who he got money from a regular human (gato), who then switched on him. If Gato tried backstabbing stuff on someone like Kakuzu you best believe everyone is dead even his henchmen. Him taking orders from a regular human tells you right there his ninja skill level compared to some others.
Now you talk about the other 7 swords men. They do fight in the mist, but your saying someone like Jinpachi small explision when he was fighting in the mist would = the suction fan? Get out of here. The suction fan uses air suction in a strong wind force which sucks inward. Lets compare because it is not getting through your mind those small paper bombs is not going to push a big enough impact in all direction that Jinpachi uses and the mist will just come back and settle in. While on the other hand Chiyo three puppet
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is going to suck the mist/charka inward and spit it out backwards turning it into more liquid.
Blah blah blah you can say it is charka mist, and I can say the three person suction uses charka to do this jutsu. It is still getting disperse.
Lastly, show me 12 swords in the picture. Just show me proof. This is all I ask you. Please. The masses do not believe you. You need more people.
Other than what I stated. I think you should begin setting up appointments for two things one for a eyedoctor and the other a therapist.
Because one your eyes need readjusting ,you blind wombat troll of a figure.
2. You need a therapist to talk to, after the raping your favorite character received from an elderly woman who just came out to retirement to step on your flawed character hope and dreams.
Lastly the 1:30:32
The Chiyo suction [video=youtube;aBi-5VL7lSg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBi-5VL7lSg[/video]
Compared to Jinapach explosion where the air has no where to go but pushed in an outward motion.
There is no real comparison
Wow your a slow cookie man. You take the cake now. Let me help you out. Read the title you made it is called" Zabuza vs Chiyo." Is this not the topice? 50+ woman is Chiyo.... Why are you saying Kakashi. Let me help you out with this one. I am saying your favorite guy is losing to a 50+ woman. That is on the nice end of the age stick because she is clearly an elder who can easy beat your regular mist ninja. She is so old she had to come out of an retirement just to go back to work, maybe so old she would get discounts on ramen for seniors.
I didn't understand it because u said "he get soloed" sorry but the ghetto talk confused me. You see I'm not a negro, I'm a good looking white boy.
You said Chiyo can easily beat my regular mist ninja....There's actually no point in debating with you because you're one of the few people on here who think Zabuza is a weak fodder. U said Chiyo would beat him easily and that Zabuza is a regular ninja, when obviously he isn't. A regular ninja isn't someone who was a Legendary Swordsman, an Anbu, leader of the Hidden Mist's Assassination Unit, killed over 100 genin as a mere child, broke through the Hidden Mist Village's offense and defense to try to assassinate Yagura who was actually Obito and still survived. He was feared among the whole Narutoverse as The Demon of the Hidden Mist. Was so strong that even Kabuto reanimated him during the war and even sacrificed other edo's just to keep Zabuza from getting sealed because his technique is so effective. He had the famous Kakashi of the Sharingan beat and was still acknowledged by him and others even in Part 2.
Sounds regular to me!
Anyways lets get back to Zabuza
He was not the leader of the 7 swords man he was just a member. Not even a general of the mist village
There was no leader of the Swordsmen...they were a team...nobody said he was the leader. Not even a general of the mist village? What do you mean by general? He was the leader of the assassination unit so yes he was a "general". Again with the bullshit.
Zabuza, lived with minor criminals who he got money from a regular human (gato), who then switched on him. If Gato tried backstabbing stuff on someone like Kakuzu you best believe everyone is dead even his henchmen. Him taking orders from a regular human tells you right there his ninja skill level compared to some others.
The only reason Zabuza listened to the millionaire Gato is for he can get his money to overthrow the whole Mist village and planned to kill Gato afterwards... The only reason the henchman killed Zabuza was because he was almost beat by Kakashi. If Kakuzu was weakened to the point that he couldn't use Ninjutsu either, which means no Domu, no threads, nothing, he would get killed as well. This is basically for any ninja's case.
Just for you know, the whole leaf village and the other main villages takes it's primary orders from the Daimyo's which are regular humans. Your arguments consist of the dumbest shit
Now you talk about the other 7 swords men. They do fight in the mist, but your saying someone like Jinpachi small explision when he was fighting in the mist would = the suction fan? Get out of here. The suction fan uses air suction in a strong wind force which sucks inward. Lets compare because it is not getting through your mind those small paper bombs is not going to push a big enough impact in all direction that Jinpachi uses and the mist will just come back and settle in.
To the underlined text, here's the thing, the mist didn't even get blown away at all. Even though the explosion wasn't huge, it would surely blow away at least a little of the mist in the range of which the bomb covered, but it didn't because the mist is too thick and powerful due to Zabuza's strong chakra.
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is going to suck the mist/charka inward and spit it out backwards turning it into more liquid.
According to the data book, Three Jewels Suction Crushing only covers short-mid range. It doesn't even have the capability to suck in all the mist.
Wait so it's going to suck in the mist and spit it out as a liquid??? STOP BULLSHITTING. How is mist being spit out going to turn into a liquid?!?!? The technique just crushes what it sucks in, you can't crush a gas! The mist will get spit back up, leaving Chiyo still blind, period. I'm not debating this.
Blah blah blah you can say it is charka mist, and I can say the three person suction uses charka to do this jutsu. It is still getting disperse.
Who cares if it's 10 clones, or a dozen clones?!? Why are you stuck on this dumb, negligible argument? It has no significance to the fight. Anyways, Water Clones don't require the user to split their chakra evenly, so there's no reason why Zabuza couldn't make as many as he wants as long as he has chakra to supply the technique, which doesn't take much chakra at all.
Please. The masses do not believe you. You need more people.
More respected members on here, Icelerate, Royal Illuminati, and AkatsukiChurch, etc. agree with me. The few people that said, "Chiyo wins easily" couldn't even supply an argument, and I even changed one of their minds.
Other than what I stated. I think you should begin setting up appointments for two things one for a eyedoctor and the other a therapist.
Because one your eyes need readjusting ,you blind wombat troll of a figure.
2. You need a therapist to talk to, after the raping your favorite character received from an elderly woman who just came out to retirement to step on your flawed character hope and dreams.
This is simply not ghetto talk. You caveman of an imp. Soled is Narutobase lingo for the longest. It is like working for a business and they use acronyms for longer words. Do you just say hey guys ,no I do not talk this business slang here at the office. I want to call a DvD a digital optical disc because "I am a good looking white boy." I guess you being stuck in part one manga of Naruto for so long or hanging around one ethic group of people gave you the cave hermit mentally. I hope you can adapt in a city one day or a different country with different ethic styles. (Count working in business out)
You said Chiyo can easily beat my regular mist ninja....There's actually no point in debating with you because you're one of the few people on here who think Zabuza is a weak fodder. U said Chiyo would beat him easily and that Zabuza is a regular ninja, when obviously he isn't. A regular ninja isn't someone who was a Legendary Swordsman, an Anbu, leader of the Hidden Mist's Assassination Unit, killed over 100 genin as a mere child, broke through the Hidden Mist Village's offense and defense to try to assassinate Yagura who was actually Obito and still survived. He was feared among the whole Narutoverse as The Demon of the Hidden Mist. Was so strong that even Kabuto reanimated him during the war and even sacrificed other edo's just to keep Zabuza from getting sealed because his technique is so effective. He had the famous Kakashi of the Sharingan beat and was still acknowledged by him and others even in Part 2.
I never said he was a fodder. I say he is losing to Chiyo. Show me where I said either fodder or easily...( I said easy liked Ezed)
I show you a quick way to show I did not say either of these things. If you have browser, go top left, click edit, click find, then put in fodder or easily. These are your words my friend. I am not you, I actually debate and I am here to crush you.
Second he is close to a regular ninja what does he have in his arena. He has a water justu and mist, other than that he use more of his weaponry than anything. Next you claiming these accomplishment they are good but lets examine them better.
First a legendary 7 swordsmen.
Out of all 7 he probable was the second best. They all used his mist to fight. Out of his group they were the strongest "7 swords men" But most of them go man handled by by Kakashi and Gai it was not even funny. No dramatic ending nothing.
One of them go man handled by Kisame with no special weaponry and got GG. So maybe super legendary in their village.
2.Leader of the assassination unit ( this is not a general)
3. killed 100 genin. Well judging by the mist exam where you have to kill getting it name the "Bloody Mist" it was about survival of a gennin killing other gennins. Even though a gennin killing 100 other gennin is big. What the hell does a regular gennin really know. We seen advance gennin like Sasuke and Naruto then we seen sorry gennins like Ino and sakura at the time. So can we really judge who the hell where these gennins? If it was 100 gennin Ino vs one gennin Sasuke or Lee I think the same outcome would happen.
4. You say he broke the mist offense and defense, but realized he was not the only one. It was not simply only him.
5.You said he had the famous Kakashi beat. But in reality he did not. He trapped him in a water prison. His team " Team 7 helped him." They were all put on the same mission. While on the other hand his side kick did not help him. Haku stayed in a tree. Once he got out of the prison he got beat by Kakashi, then got beat by Kakashi again in the rematch, then beat by Kakashi again as an edo 0-3.
6. You say I consider Zabuza a weak fodder. In truth I do not consider Zabuza a weakling at all. I defended him many times, but he is simply not beating Chiyo. He does not have what it takes.
There was no leader of the Swordsmen...they were a team...nobody said he was the leader. Not even a general of the mist village? What do you mean by general? He was the leader of the assassination unit so yes he was a "general". Again with the bullshit.
If in most places the general is the second in command of the miltiary. He was the leader of a unit. So nope not a general like you started off saying then contradicted yourself saying yea he was one. You do not even believe
The only reason Zabuza listened to the millionaire Gato is for he can get his money to overthrow the whole Mist village and planned to kill Gato afterwards... The only reason the henchman killed Zabuza was because he was almost beat by Kakashi. If Kakuzu was weakened to the point that he couldn't use Ninjutsu either, which means no Domu, no threads, nothing, he would get killed as well. This is basically for any ninja's case.
Not almost he was beaten by Kakashi. To the point the dogs were hanging off his back and he was not able to use his arms. Have you forgotten all this. No Kakuzu is made of threads so he still would have went out using threads.
Just for you know, the whole leaf village and the other main villages takes it's primary orders from the Daimyo's which are regular humans. Your arguments consist of the dumbest shit
Nope did Pain and his village take orders from the Daimyo? Was it not Obito telling Zetsu to capture the Daimyo?
Then the smaller villages do they take orders? You assume. That's like Asuma and his group of 12 guradians asking why are their two leaders. The truth is Daimyo would be the governor and the kage would be the mayor of a city.
Not the same
To the underlined text, here's the thing, the mist didn't even get blown away at all. Even though the explosion wasn't huge, it would surely blow away at least a little of the mist in the range of which the bomb covered, but it didn't because the mist is too thick and powerful due to Zabuza's strong chakra.
Why would it if he would suck up the mist that is around Chiyo enough to be able to see. Not all of it needs to be sucked. Not at all.
Wait so it's going to suck in the mist and spit it out as a liquid??? STOP BULLSHITTING. How is mist being spit out going to turn into a liquid?!?!? The technique just crushes what it sucks in, you can't crush a gas! The mist will get spit back up, leaving Chiyo still blind, period. I'm not debating this.
You can never do this. I am the pitcher in this ball game while you just the catcher my friend.
Who cares if it's 10 clones, or a dozen clones?!? Why are you stuck on this dumb, negligible argument? It has no significance to the fight. Anyways, Water Clones don't require the user to split their chakra evenly, so there's no reason why Zabuza couldn't make as many as he wants as long as he has chakra to supply the technique, which doesn't take much chakra at all.
He maxed out we seen at 7. Told you to get glasses it was not a dozen. You did not believe yourself in this one. Those 7 clones that got beat by one gennin.
More respected members on here, Icelerate, Royal Illuminati, and AkatsukiChurch, etc. agree with me. The few people that said, "Chiyo wins easily" couldn't even supply an argument, and I even changed one of their minds.
This is simply not ghetto talk. You caveman of an imp. Soled is Narutobase lingo for the longest. It is like working for a business and they use acronyms for longer words. Do you just say hey guys ,no I do not talk this business slang here at the office. I want to call a DvD a digital optical disc because "I am a good looking white boy." I guess you being stuck in part one manga of Naruto for so long or hanging around one ethic group of people gave you the cave hermit mentally. I hope you can adapt in a city one day or a different country with different ethic styles. (Count working in business out)
I never said he was a fodder. I say he is losing to Chiyo. Show me where I said either fodder or easily...
I show you a quick way to show I did not say either of these things. If you have browser, go top left, click edit, click find, then put in fodder or easily. These are your words my friend. I am not you, I actually debate and I am here to crush you.
Second he is close to a regular ninja what does he have in his arena. He has a water justu and mist, other than that he use more of his weaponry than anything. Next you claiming these accomplishment they are good but lets examine them better.
First a legendary 7 swordsmen.
Out of all 7 he probable was the second best. They all used his mist to fight. Out of his group they were the strongest "7 swords men" But most of them go man handled by by Kakashi and Gai it was not even funny. No dramatic ending nothing.
One of them go man handled by Kisame with no special weaponry and got GG. So maybe super legendary in their village.
2.Leader of the assassination unit ( this is not a general)
3. killed 100 genin. Well judging by the mist exam where you have to kill getting it name the "Bloody Mist" it was about survival of a gennin killing other gennins. Even though a gennin killing 100 other gennin is big. What the hell does a regular gennin really know. We seen advance gennin like Sasuke and Naruto then we seen sorry gennins like Ino and sakura at the time. So can we really judge who the hell where these gennins? If it was 100 gennin Ino vs one gennin Sasuke or Lee I think the same outcome would happen.
4. You say he broke the mist offense and defense, but realized he was not the only one. It was not simply only him.
5.You said he had the famous Kakashi beat. But in reality he did not. He trapped him in a water prison. His team " Team 7 helped him." They were all put on the same mission. While on the other hand his side kick did not help him. Haku stayed in a tree. Once he got out of the prison he got beat by Kakashi, then got beat by Kakashi again in the rematch, then beat by Kakashi again as an edo 0-3.
6. You say I consider Zabuza a weak fodder. In truth I do not consider Zabuza a weakling at all. I defended him many times, but he is simply not beating Chiyo. He does not have what it takes.
If in most places the general is the second in command of the miltiary. He was the leader of a unit. So nope not a general like you started off saying then contradicted yourself saying yea he was one. You do not even believe YOU
Not almost he was beaten by Kakashi. To the point the dogs were hanging off his back and he was not able to use his arms. Have you forgotten all this. No Kakuzu is made of threads so he still would have went out using threads.
Nope did Pain and his village take orders from the Daimyo? Was it not Obito telling Zetsu to capture the Daimyo?
Then the smaller villages do they take orders? You assume. That's like Asuma and his group of 12 guradians asking why are their two leaders. The truth is Daimyo would be the governor and the kage would be the mayor of a city.
Not the same
To the underlined text, here's the thing, the mist didn't even get blown away at all. Even though the explosion wasn't huge, it would surely blow away at least a little of the mist in the range of which the bomb covered, but it didn't because the mist is too thick and powerful due to Zabuza's strong chakra.
According to the data book, Three Jewels Suction Crushing only covers short-mid range. It doesn't even have the capability to suck in all the mist.
Wait so it's going to suck in the mist and spit it out as a liquid??? STOP BULLSHITTING. How is mist being spit out going to turn into a liquid?!?!? The technique just crushes what it sucks in, you can't crush a gas! The mist will get spit back up, leaving Chiyo still blind, period. I'm not debating this.
Maybe in your ass it's getting dispersed.
Who cares if it's 10 clones, or a dozen clones?!? Why are you stuck on this dumb, negligible argument? It has no significance to the fight. Anyways, Water Clones don't require the user to split their chakra evenly, so there's no reason why Zabuza couldn't make as many as he wants as long as he has chakra to supply the technique, which doesn't take much chakra at all.
More respected members on here, Icelerate, Royal Illuminati, and AkatsukiChurch, etc. agree with me. The few people that said, "Chiyo wins easily" couldn't even supply an argument, and I even changed one of their minds.
You need to get out of the house more
For the last time, I don't give a shit for what's in the anime.
Just skimming your argument and I already saw u stating that u didn't say "easily" which I even bolded in your post that u did. You said Zabuza was a genin when he beat over 100 genin when actually he wasn't even a genin. You think Sasuke as a kid before the age of 9 could beat over 100 Ino's and Sakura's? Lolol bullshit
The same thing keeps repeating, you keep stating flaws such as the ones I stated above in your arguments. So I'm not going to debate with u anymore. We have different views, I view things the smart way, you view things the dumb way. Plus we keep insulting so I'm outta here
