[Discussion] Your Political Ideology

[ZK]

What political ideology do you support and why?
Do you support a Political Party? Why/why not?

Personally, I support the idea of Anarcho Communism/Libertarian Communism.
Why? I believe the workers should earn just as much as their bosses. I believe there should be no bosses. I believe the people should be represented by the people. I believe that no bank, no individual and no heir should have the power to remove my income base. I believe in equality. I believe in the proletariat and its ability to sustain itself without privileged bosses taking their salary.
I believe in solidarity.
What do you believe in?

 

[YowYan]

In my eyes; Politics is a department of the military industry that's created to give the voters the illusion that they have a saying in the matter.

But if I had to name a 'political ideology' I'd say I support constitutionalists like Ron Paul.

 

[mangaanime7000sspt09]

none and why? in the end of the day their ain't paying my bills when the month comes..

 

[CurseSealofEarth]

You speak of socialism, and I find socialism terrifying. I want to be rewarded for my hard work. I need a boss, without a boss there is no one to tell you you have to do something. We have seen in the US that people will take advantage of handouts. To me socialism is just rewarding showing up.

 

[ZK]

In my eyes; Politics is a department of the military industry that's created to give the voters the illusion that they have a saying in the matter.

But if I had to name a 'political ideology' I'd say I support constitutionalists like Ron Paul.

That's a logical impossibility if there's no upper class (in all any form) to produce such an illusion.

none and why? in the end of the day their ain't paying my bills when the month comes..

They do, however, decide how much of your income the government owns.

You speak of socialism, and I find socialism terrifying. I want to be rewarded for my hard work. I need a boss, without a boss there is no one to tell you you have to do something. We have seen in the US that people will take advantage of handouts. To me socialism is just rewarding showing up.

The US also has a huge unemployment-rate and a huge amount of poor and homeless people.
Denmark, Norway, Finland and Sweden are all flooded with Socialism, but they still have some of the best economies in the world.

 

[CurseSealofEarth]

The US also has a huge unemployment-rate and a huge amount of poor and homeless people.
Denmark, Norway, Finland and Sweden are all flooded with Socialism, but they still have some of the best economies in the world.

Or everyone could just work harder. That's all it is to me. I've worked three jobs as an 18 year old, and I see lazy people complaining that they aren't paid enough. Work harder and you'll be promoted or get a raise. Incentives work wonders.

 

[Unbiased]

That's a logical impossibility if there's no upper class (in all any form) to produce such an illusion.



They do, however, decide how much of your income the government owns.



The US also has a huge unemployment-rate and a huge amount of poor and homeless people.
Denmark, Norway, Finland and Sweden are all flooded with Socialism, but they still have some of the best economies in the world.

You know why I like the constitution and people like Ron Paul? I can say what I want, wherever I want, and no one can do a damn thing about it. I'm not gonna throw my rights away for a handout from the government because some broke joke cried over people getting more money then him. You get what you put in if you want to be equal with everyone else then that's fine but only a quitter would complain about having a boss. If you tried hard enough you'd be your own boss.

 

[ZK]

Or everyone could just work harder. That's all it is to me. I've worked three jobs as an 18 year old, and I see lazy people complaining that they aren't paid enough. Work harder and you'll be promoted or get a raise. Incentives work wonders.

That's definitely one way to look at it ^^
So, I suppose you think it's one's own fault if one cannot afford a proper education?

You know why I like the constitution and people like Ron Paul? I can say what I want, wherever I want, and no one can do a damn thing about it. I'm not gonna throw my rights away for a handout form the government because some broke joke cried over people getting more money then him. You get what you put in if you want to be equal with everyone else then that's fine but only a quitter would complain about having a boss. If you tried hard enough you'd be your own boss.

Anarcho Communism supports free speech. Censor, in my eyes, is a terrible thing. I don't care if the message is offensive or discriminative; we need every angle to make a good choice.
Informing the people of every angle is essential, in my view.
Your rights are completely safe ^^

 

[Unbiased]

That's definitely one way to look at it ^^
So, I suppose you think it's one's own fault if one cannot afford a proper education?

Depending where you are you can get scholarships for exceptional grades and immigrating. Only those who work hard get rewarded.

 

[CurseSealofEarth]

That's definitely one way to look at it ^^
So, I suppose you think it's one's own fault if one cannot afford a proper education?

Put it this way, I don't think it's the governments job. They are there to run my country, not make sure I'm living lavishly.

 

[YowYan]

A wider explanation of my ideal policy would be one that tries to destroy classism in the economy/society. One that straves for actual freedom from labor in the future. So people won't have to waste their lives on forced payed slavery. And I'm aware that won't go easy with all the established corruption in our world. I'd follow a guy/lady that tries to deminish the labor pressure on the people. I don't want to waste 5 days of my week forcing myself to do work that I don't like, making me passive since I can't do anything about it. And I wouldn't wish that for my fellow men either. I'm sorry, I can't think within the borders society since it bores me. And that simple-minded way of looking at politics won't change the future for our kids.

 

[ZK]

Depending where you are you can get scholarships for exceptional grades and immigrating. Only those who work hard get rewarded.

So, If I'm a 99.9999% Student and another is a 100%, then what? I can't afford College, nor can he, but there's only one Scholarship.
He gets it, I don't. He gets an education, I don't. All because my parents didn't have the money.
Why should I be punished for my parent's mistakes? Why should sons of big-shots be rewarded?

 

[CurseSealofEarth]

So, If I'm a 99.9999% Student and another is a 100%, then what? I can't afford College, nor can he, but there's only one Scholarship.
He gets it, I don't. He gets an education, I don't. All because my parents didn't have the money.
Why should I be punished for my parent's mistakes? Why should sons of big-shots be rewarded?

If you're not first, you're last

Start working and saving. If it matters so much to you to go to college than you would save and hold off on everything else in your life. Priorities.

 

[Happy]

What political ideology do you support and why?
Do you support a Political Party? Why/why not?

Personally, I support the idea of Anarcho Communism/Libertarian Communism.
Why? I believe the workers should earn just as much as their bosses. I believe there should be no bosses. I believe the people should be represented by the people. I believe that no bank, no individual and no heir should have the power to remove my income base. I believe in equality. I believe in the proletariat and its ability to sustain itself without privileged bosses taking their salary.
I believe in solidarity.
What do you believe in?

The kind of communism you are describing doesn't work short nor long term because it's incomplete. The changes it needs wont ever happen because then it'd be too close to democracy. The main thing you get with this ideology is a huge amount of impositions.

You seem to be extremely certain about about your belief in, so I assume you'll get mad at me when I keep on writing.

I'd like to mention something about this point of yours: "I believe that no bank, no individual and no heir should have the power to remove my income base"
You know that's exactly what communism/socialism states are allowed to, what they are doing and what they did?

 

[Unbiased]

So, If I'm a 99.9999% Student and another is a 100%, then what? I can't afford College, nor can he, but there's only one Scholarship.
He gets it, I don't. He gets an education, I don't. All because my parents didn't have the money.
Why should I be punished for my parent's mistakes? Why should sons of big-shots be rewarded?

Because when your successful someone in your lineage worked hard to get your family their and they're reaping the benefits. Whose to say that you won't get a scholarship? Whose to say you can't get financial aid? In a free market society opportunity is everywhere for those who work hard. If someone is complaining about not getting scholarships or not being better off then someone else they they don't deserve to be because they lack good work ethic. If you just complain about things not being fair then you'll never get anywhere in life. Keep complaining about things, i'll work hard to make sure i'm successful while your complaining. Note this isn't directed at you personally but the ideals that are being presented.

 

[ZK]

If you're not first, you're last

Start working and saving. If it matters so much to you to go to college than you would save and hold off on everything else in your life. Priorities.

So you don't believe the government should help the young generation financially, in exchange for a much higher rate of educated adults?

The kind of communism you are describing doesn't work short nor long term because it's incomplete. The changes it needs wont ever happen because then it'd be too close to democracy. The main thing you get with this ideology is a huge amount of impositions.

You seem to be extremely certain about about your belief in, so I assume you'll get mad at me when I keep on writing.

I'd like to mention something about this point of yours: "I believe that no bank, no individual and no heir should have the power to remove my income base"
You know that's exactly what communism/socialism states are allowed to, what they are doing and what they did?

I can imagine you're referring to the USSR, which, at no point, was a Communist state.
China, according to itself, is a Communist nation, but its policies are as Liberal as they come.

Anarcho Communism secures jobs for everyone, as profit becomes obsolete. Production becomes a matter of creating what's needed and using the needed materials to do so. The notion that monetary profit is needed in a society is fundamentally flawed.
The great position of CEO becomes another administrative position and, if it covers too much ground for one person to handle, is simply split between two people.
It's not only the 'salary' that's equalized; it's the workload, too.

But yes, implementing Communism is extremely hard, as most of those who earn more than they should protests its coming.

Because when your successful someone in your lineage worked hard to get your family their and they're reaping the benefits. Whose to say that you won't get a scholarship? Whose to say you can't get financial aid? In a free market society opportunity is everywhere for those who work hard. If someone is complaining about not getting scholarships or not being better off then someone else they they don't deserve to be because they lack good work ethic. If you just complain about things not being fair then you'll never get anywhere in life. Keep complaining about things, i'll work hard to make sure i'm successful while your complaining. Note this isn't directed at you personally but the ideals that are being presented.

But you've just said that 'you need to work hard to reap the fruits'. If my daddy gives me everything; why would I need to work?
If the company my father founded generates profit, why do I need to work? I just hire a CEO and lean back.

 

[Unbiased]

So you don't believe the government should help the young generation financially, in exchange for a much higher rate of educated adults?



I can imagine you're referring to the USSR, which, at no point, was a Communist state.
China, according to itself, is a Communist nation, but its policies are as Liberal as they come.

Anarcho Communism secures jobs for everyone, as profit becomes obsolete. Production becomes a matter of creating what's needed and using the needed materials to do so. The notion that monetary profit is needed in a society is fundamentally flawed.
The great position of CEO becomes another administrative position and, if it covers too much ground for one person to handle, is simply split between two people.
It's not only the 'salary' that's equalized; it's the workload, too.

But yes, implementing Communism is extremely hard, as most of those who earn more than they should protests its coming.

That's not remotely true. While they're people who don't deserve the pay they get for the effort they put in(the 13 families for example), the successful got that way from hard work at one point or another. Your idea of a society promotes unproductive lazy individuals. Why would someone work harder then someone else at the same job because in the end your all getting paid the same. If my life isn't influenced by my actions and I get these "handouts" then there's no point in establishing dreams or ideals.

Edit: "But you've just said that 'you need to work hard to reap the fruits'. If my daddy gives me everything; why would I need to work?
If the company my father founded generates profit, why do I need to work? I just hire a CEO and lean back."

If you hire a CEO you still are responsible for running that company in one way or another. You still have to work.

 

[CurseSealofEarth]

So you don't believe the government should help the young generation financially, in exchange for a much higher rate of educated adults?

I believe that experience helps put perspective into your studies. Many students who are going to school for free (friends of mine) exploit the money given to them i.e. failing classes like it's no big deal or using the money on trivial things. Adults who have worked and are paying for college themselves will take college far more seriously than someone who is given money by the government only to go to college. This is my experience of course and does not hold true for all students.

 

[YowYan]

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[Happy]

I can imagine you're referring to the USSR, which, at no point, was a Communist state.
China, according to itself, is a Communist nation, but its policies are as Liberal as they come.

Anarcho Communism secures jobs for everyone, as profit becomes obsolete. Production becomes a matter of creating what's needed and using the needed materials to do so. The notion that monetary profit is needed in a society is fundamentally flawed.
The great position of CEO becomes another administrative position and, if it covers too much ground for one person to handle, is simply split between two people.
It's not only the 'salary' that's equalized; it's the workload, too.

But yes, implementing Communism is extremely hard, as most of those who earn more than they should protests its coming.

You exactly described the main intention, dids and definition of the UDSSR.

"The notion that monetary profit is needed in a society is fundamentally flawed"
= Ofcourse monetary profit isn't necessary in a society, that is absolutely correct (no troll). We could all live in burrows without any kind of currency to pay or buy. In that case a monetary system obviously is not needed as long as none claims something to be their own. The main intention would be that nothing has any value.

But it's a fundamental need in a economic system. There is no way it wouldnt end up in tons of impositions. It has been prooven to be a incomplete in the past and me as a student of science of economic nor did anyone else ever found a way it could work out. The idea of everyone beeing equal is an utopian.

Btw I'd like to know how old you are. Nowadays it's simply very rare to find someone who still beliefs in this and I'd prefer to not waste my time on a troll, which is just as likely as you beeing serious.
Thanks.