Young Kakashi vs Young Obito

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Also, Kakashi should be able to create at least three clones. Using them, he could easily have grabbed Obito and somehow surprised him with a chidori to the chest or to the back. As much as I do like pt. 1 Obito (don't like pt. 2 at all....) he really was an idiot. A class clown. Something like that should work easily on him, just like it would've worked on pt.1 Naruto.
 

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Also, Kakashi should be able to create at least three clones. Using them, he could easily have grabbed Obito and somehow surprised him with a chidori to the chest or to the back. As much as I do like pt. 1 Obito (don't like pt. 2 at all....) he really was an idiot. A class clown. Something like that should work easily on him, just like it would've worked on pt.1 Naruto.

You forget that kid kakashi w/o his sharingan has a slow chidori, so I don't think he will be surprising obito, plus obito also has sharingan so predicting movements are increased, to make it even worst there is no where to hide so clones now have no element of surprise. Kakashi at this time only had lightning as his is a kid, thus him not being able to mimic elements and jutsu (only has lightning relese). If sharingan was increasing the speed of kakashis chidori its safe to say it will heighten the speed of obitos firestyle or increase the power.

Yes kakashi is jounin and yes obito is at a lower rank, but rank in this fight don't mean squat as I have explain how he would win
 

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Movement prediction won't help Obito against clones. Kakashi is faster than Obito and we all know how well Sasuke's sharingan worked against Lee.
 

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Movement prediction won't help Obito against clones. Kakashi is faster than Obito and we all know how well Sasuke's sharingan worked against Lee.

How will it not prove effective? The durability of a shadow clone isn't that much, especially since all they are, are fractions of the users charkra, kakashis charkra now isn't anything to brag about do putting Into contrast to kid kakashi his chidori limit is at best 2, 3 clones and lower reflexes.

I knew someone would bring this up however comparing lees speed to kid kakashis are unfair since kid lees speed was much greater than kakashis at the time. Its a manga fact that sharingan help to predict taijutsu and hand seals, and like I said since its an open field clones will only help him to a certain extent, uchihas have been known for their hight reserves of chrakra this woulld apply to obito
 

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^ Yes, it's obvious, isn't it?

You are the one who made the comparison between a Uchiha and a non-uchiha over who can use the sharingan better which is obviously going to be a Uchiha as it is in their bloodline.
 

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^ Trust me, there are folks here on base who are staunch believers that Kakashi is better at Sharingan than actual Uchihas. This point was necessary.
 

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You forget that kid kakashi w/o his sharingan has a slow chidori, so I don't think he will be surprising obito, plus obito also has sharingan so predicting movements are increased, to make it even worst there is no where to hide so clones now have no element of surprise. Kakashi at this time only had lightning as his is a kid, thus him not being able to mimic elements and jutsu (only has lightning relese). If sharingan was increasing the speed of kakashis chidori its safe to say it will heighten the speed of obitos firestyle or increase the power.

Yes kakashi is jounin and yes obito is at a lower rank, but rank in this fight don't mean squat as I have explain how he would win

Sharingan does not improve speed or power of techs. Kakashi's chidori speed was the same, he just could better control his own speed and movements due to enhanced vision.
 

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Sharingan does not improve speed or power of techs. Kakashi's chidori speed was the same, he just could better control his own speed and movements due to enhanced vision.

Can you show me a scan suggesting that it does alter his speed? if i remember correctly it made his chidori more faster and even if your statement is true, he needs the sharingan either way to make his chidori better
 

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Can you show me a scan suggesting that it does alter his speed? if i remember correctly it made his chidori more faster and even if your statement is true, he needs the sharingan either way to make his chidori better

...No I can not offer you a scan suggesting it does alter his speed, because it does not.
 

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Huh. Sharingan doesn't make you faster. It gives you a larger window to react and it's not a guaranteed that you will be able to.

Kakashi needed Sharingan because Chidori left him defenceless due to the high speed at which -HE MUST RUN WITH IT-. Sharingan helped since it offered him a better view on his surroundings.
 

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Huh. Sharingan doesn't make you faster. It gives you a larger window to react and it's not a guaranteed that you will be able to.

Kakashi needed Sharingan because Chidori left him defenceless due to the high speed at which -HE MUST RUN WITH IT-. Sharingan helped since it offered him a better view on his surroundings.

Thankyou. ^^
 

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obito he fire style>chidori
 

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With 1t Sasuke was able to hit a speedster like Haku with fireball. Obito will be able to hit Kakashi with fireball again and again. Meanwhile with Kakashi, he wont be able to hit Obito with Chidori because of the Sharingan's predictive abilities. Obito wins, low diff.
 
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With 1t Sasuke was able to hit a speedster like Haku with fireball. Obito will be able to hit Kakashi with fireball again and again.

Next joke please. Kakashi is at least .5 faster than Haku. He could dodge the fireball jutsu, especially a C ranked one from a genin.
 

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Kakashi was a bloody jounin.

Obito is a genin.

Pretty sure young kakashi was faster than base lee when he fought Sasuke and we all know how that went.

Now add the fact that kakashi can actually use jutsus.
 

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Kakashi was a bloody jounin.

Obito is a genin.

Pretty sure young kakashi was faster than base lee when he fought Sasuke and we all know how that went.

Now add the fact that kakashi can actually use jutsus.

Rock Lee's was 4. Kakashi's was 4.5
 
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