Dęvîa Puęrî
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Not true especially when doffy awakening turns the terrain into string.... the water thing I agree and disagree tho because doffy staying in the air and jinbe in ocean is just a stalemate
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Uzumaki Macho
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The burden of proof is on you to prove that Croc, a 46 year old man, has a growth rate comparable to Luffy and Lucci.
How does getting knocked around by Jozu make Croc Doffy level? How does getting his attack blocked by Mihawk make him Doffy level? How does getting casually blocked by a non-serious Doffy make Croc Doffy level? How does landing an ineffective surprise attack on Akainu make him Doffy level when fodders did the same thing?
How does that disprove that you weren't implying that Ace is the 3rd strongest person in WB's crew, behind only WB and Marco? Dude you said in that post that Ace is 2nd commander LEVEL. You're clearly implying that Ace is at the same level as the 3rd strongest of other Yonko crews and above Jozu and Vista.
I love how you deny that you said that, then proceed to say that. Literally nothing in the manga shows that Croc in the desert is stronger than Doflamingo. Alabasta Luffy was able to land some hits on Croc in the desert, with the only thing stopping Luffy from hurting Croc being his intangibility.
Rikudou Tobi
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That's not proof, that's just a another dumb ASSumption. Actually use manga like I said for the 3rd time already otherwise I can give a shit less about what you think.
I said Warlord level. There's a base level you need to reach before joining the Warlords whatever the individual strength is varies from person to person. I said Cracker was in that same category of strength too despite him being able to beat Doflamingo and Crocodile's ass in a fight yet I don't see you complaining about that. I never validated intercepting Mihawk's slash, of course gold alloy will be able to do that. Every single Warlord in that war was sending surprise attacks against each other even Doflamingo did the same thing to Jozu yet you never complained about that one now did you?
Doflaimngo was also not non serious either, that's just another deluded speculation of yours. He did the same move when he wanted to sever Law's head off too. That's just his fighting style.
Because I simply was not implying it. Shanks said Ace was strong enough, that is it. If you were smart you would've picked up on this by now. And I NEVER SAID THAT ACE IS 2ND COMMANDER LEVEL EITHER. No such thing.
It's 1st mate commander than warlord level for the rest of the commander. Because only the first mate makes that much of a difference. People like Vista, Ace, Jozu, Cracker, Smoothie etc. don't make that much of a difference when being compared to Marco, Dogtooth, and Ben Beckmann. So you need to stop assuming right now because it's getting annoying.
Luffy didn't land any shots in the desert, He lost and pretty muched near well died at that point. In the castle underground he landed some shots but that's another story.
Bold part is also wrong because Crocodile himself said that he never lost in the desert. And this is a man who's just coming back from getting his ass kicked by Whitebeard when he was like 31 years old.
Like I said over and over again with you. STOP BEING SUBJECTIVE!!! Every thing you've said so far has all been opinionated with no fact whatsoever.
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Rikudou Tobi
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No his right hand turns everything into dust. Dofy does not have the power to turn a whole islands worth of sand into strings. His capability of doing that is the same as him trying to turn an ocean into strings. It took akainu and kuzan 10 days of everything they had to do that to punk hazard. And punk hazard is a smaller island than the alabasta kingdom.
You'll need to be like Yonkou level to make that much of a difference.
nd with Jinbei it would not end in a stalemate, he'd get brutually destroyed fighting him in the ocean. And in no way shape or form I'm I saying that each of these three are stronger than the other but a disadvantage is at a loss for the opponent. It's like giving a kid a loaded gun to fight an adult that is clearly 2 times his size and physically stronger. Despite the fact the adult is stronger, that loaded gun guarantees the kid the victory. That's how I see this doflamingo vs desert/ocean scenario.
Uzumaki Macho
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What? You're the one making the assumption that Crocodile can grow in strength substantially over the timeskip.
Warlord level isn't a thing when you can have Warlords like Mihawk, who is Yonko level, while at the same time having Warlords like Croc and Moriah, who get beat by Pre-TS Luffy. Doflamingo wasn't serious at all when facing Croc. He was laughing his ass of while he had his hands in his pockets. How could it be any more obvious that he wasn't serious? When did Doffy use a casual kick to try to cut Law's head off? Are you thinking of Jigsaw?
You literally said that Ace had the seat of "2nd Commander level at WB's ship". This statement obviously implies that you think that Ace is YC2 level, and if that's not what you meant then you should have worded it better.
There you go again telling me to not make assumptions while you assume that being in a desert will let Croc beat Doffy, even though there are literally no feats on Croc's end to suggest that he could even tickle Doffy, even if they're in a desert. We have no idea who Croc has fought in a desert, so that statement holds no merit.
Rikudou Tobi
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We'll either see Marineford Crocodile or him being in a capacity that would make people assume that he "grew in strength." Next time we'll see him is a non PIS Crocodile. So I didn't make the assumption that he will grow, he's in the New world now. If he was that weak he would've been dead or ended up like Kidd and Brownbeard by now but as we see in the recent chapter cover page he looks fine.
And the reason why PIS is not an assumption or an excuse is because Oda said in one of his interviews that he introduced Crocodile too early.
I never said that Mihawk was warlord level, I also didn't include Buggy as well for obvious reasons.
Crocodile beat pre timeskip luffy, he only won the last match due to PIS. Moriah on the other hand was said to be weaker than he was before because he didn't train according to Jinbei. If Luffy fought Doflamingo in Mocjtown, PIS would've allowed Luffy to beat him too.
Dofy was serious, stfu with your speculation.
Dofy doesn't just casually kick Law's head off if he's applying haki to it. So I have no idea why all of a sudden you're going retarded for Doflamingo now just because you're the only idiot that believes that Crocodile would lose to base pre timeskip luffy.
So unless you're moronic enough to admit that Jozu's haki infused brillant punk is weaker than pre timeskip base luffy, be my guess. The fact that it took Gear 3 luffy to knock out one awakened zoan guard while it took Crocodile one Sables to do the same, never crossed your mind?
I literally did not say that unless you can quote me word for word on that. my statement does not imply! You moron, it quotes shanks word for word that Ace is STRONG ENOUGH to be a 2nd commander of Wb ship. So unless English is not your first language (which I clearly can see), then you are clearly illiterate.
So fucking read. And I won't repeat myself again, there is no 2nd commander level. It's warlord level from there on out.
Crocodile himself said that no one can beat him in the desert, so it's not an assumption. And common sense will tell you that after the last battle he lost to Wb before meeting Luffy.
Bold part: Dumbest shit I ever heard.
Funny thing is that I'm not even wanking Crocodile especially with the example I gave with Jinbei who would equally smash Dofy if they ever fought in the ocean, but you're just a delusional doflamingo fapboy and more than half of the shit you're saying is just laughable.
I didn't even say Crocodile was strong than Dofy! I just said he'll lose in the desert because of the disadvantages he has there or any notable pirate for that matter, and you go absolutely ballistic retarded for dofy saying that he won't even get tickled? Is that why he sent his ass flying during the war? Understand the context Oda is portraying here.
Rikudou Tobi
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Oh and a last warning to you too (UzamakiMacho). If I read another speculation from you again, I'm just gonna ignore your garbage from here on out.
I better not read "you implied" or "it suggested" type of crap from you again. You should know by now that I don't care about what you have to say, only Oda.
I should not have to repeat myself.
I better not read "you implied" or "it suggested" type of crap from you again. You should know by now that I don't care about what you have to say, only Oda.
I should not have to repeat myself.
Uzumaki Macho
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You're speculating that Croc has to be much stronger now. Weaklings like Harjudin survived in the NW, so Crocodile can survive too without having to become much stronger.
So now we're picking and choosing which Warlords are Warlord level? Doffy was obviously not serious against Croc. He was laughing his ass off and had his hands in his pockets. This isn't speculating, it's a fact. When did Doffy try to kick Law's head off with a casual kick? Show me the scans. Let me ask you this, why didn't MF Luffy die when a serious Buddha Sengoku punched him? This version of Luffy was weaker than a Pacifista, but he can tank a hit from Buddha Sengoku? The reason why Croc and Luffy survived hits from people much more powerful than them is because Oda clearly doesn't want to just casually kill off these characters. It's the same reason why fodders survive hits from Luffy that would destroy a Pacifista.
Dude you literally said that "He was granted a seat at 2nd commander LEVEL at WB's ship". If you don't believe that YC2 level is a thing and that Ace is at that level, then just admit that it was a typo.
Enel said he was a god and Bellamy said that he could beat Luffy. Do you trust everything that these people say too? Croc saying that he is unbeatable in a desert is a ridiculous statement and it holds no weight. Do you believe that a doc could beat Kaido in the desert? Croc has NO FEATS which suggest that being in the desert is enough to make up for the gap as massive as the Grand Line between him and Doffy. Croc was all bark no bite during MF. Pre-TS G2 Luffy outspeed him and kicked him aside. Jozu was knocking him around. Mihawk blocked his ambush. And Doffy casually blocked his attack.
Skull Knight
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Nah seeing Capone again in Wano will be unnecessary since we have enough big shots in Wano like:
Shichibukais (Law, Jinbei, Weevil, Moria)
Yonko commanders (Jack, Marco, WB remaining commanders and Other calamities)
Supernovas (Luffy, Kid, Apoo, Hawkins, Zoro, Drake)
Minks(Dukes)
Few Samurais including Shogun
And the all mighty Kaido destroying Wano.
I believe Oda shouldn't add more characters as it will create confusion like what the hell is going on? It will become like final arc of Bleach(with BS power up to beat the strong opponents) or major fights getting off paneled.
Vinsmokes turned out to be really disappointment. I hated their overall story and development. All the hype of assassin's and Marines regarding them turned out to be BS. They were basically like robots(no emotion, no expression, no guilt nothing)Idoubt they will ever come back.
Rikudou Tobi
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Harjudin is not a weakling but neither did he survive on his own as captain either. He was under the protection of the Buggy sovereignty while Crocodile is not. So I did not assume that he got stronger once again, I said the real Crocodile is going to show without PIS.
1. He was serious, I don't care how much you cry about it.
2. Fanfic Doflamingo was never shown laughing either.
1. It wasn't a casual kick, he tried to take it out before luffy stopped him. This was right before Luffy and Doflamingo clash kings haki.
2. Luffy had boost from Iva's hormones injections and a punch from Sengoku the buddah isn't going to kill Luffy either. Luffy was taking hits from Vice admirals too and he still didn't die.
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Stupid speculation since he survived an all out battle against Whitebeard before meeting Luffy. You're just being retarded and bias again.
Like I said. I did not say 2nd commander level for the fucking 5th time already. There is no 2nd commander level.
Whatever Crocodile says has more weight than whatever you speculate. Obviously I'm inclined to believe what he has to say than you do. And frankly nobody in the manga objected to this unlike Bellamy and Enel who were proven wrong by Luffy.
It's common sense that he wouldn't lose. And if you think he can beat him in the desert, then you're also idiotic to believe Dofy can beat Jinbei in the ocean too you deluded doflamingo fanboy.
Are you comparing Doflamingo to Kaidou now? Is that how dumb you're willing to go for doflaimngo right now fapboy?
Everything else here is just stupid bias talk because you're the only idiot that thinks pre timeskip luffy can beat him. He already beat Luffy two times in their fight. That's how biased you are. Because of your bias nothing you say has any validity to it.
Even the Jozu part when Croc was tossing him and flamingo all about the entire marineford.
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Unless Oda has something in mind like, it's gonna take all of the Supernova (except for BlackBeard maybe) to defeat Kaido.. but idk.. just a thought.
I agree that it's already a lot of characters though, so that would be the only way I can see all of the Supernova being there.. cause it really is like you said, I'm sure some great fights will end up getting off-paneled at the end of the day..
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Just want to drop the following facts:
1. Oda's statement that he introduced Crocodile too early is complete speculation. There is NO credible source for Oda saying this, and Googling it just brings people either asking for a source or saying it for a source
2. Crocodile taking Jozu's Haki-infused Brilliant Punk is NOT an indicator that he got stronger. As I've had to say countless times now, knocking someone out in One Piece isn't about landing one big hit, it's about landing enough damage that they can't take anymore and pass out. The argument that Crocodile either got stronger or Luffy>Jozu's hit doesn't hold up. All it means is that dozens of hits from Luffy>one hit from Jozu.
To illustrate what I mean: Luffy knocking out Crocodile after a full fight and Jozu not knocking out Crocodile in one hit is comparable to hitting a brick wall with a small sledgehammer 100 times to bust a hole in it, and hitting that same brick wall with 3x sledgehammer 4 times to bust an equally big hole in it.
Crocodile taking a hit from Jozu doesn't mean that Luffy does more damage than Jozu, it means that taking a beating over time from Luffy hurts more than taking ONE hit from Jozu. Jozu would STILL defeat Crocodile with far greater ease than Luffy did even if Luffy's entire arsenal was>Jozu's one move.
1. Oda's statement that he introduced Crocodile too early is complete speculation. There is NO credible source for Oda saying this, and Googling it just brings people either asking for a source or saying it for a source
2. Crocodile taking Jozu's Haki-infused Brilliant Punk is NOT an indicator that he got stronger. As I've had to say countless times now, knocking someone out in One Piece isn't about landing one big hit, it's about landing enough damage that they can't take anymore and pass out. The argument that Crocodile either got stronger or Luffy>Jozu's hit doesn't hold up. All it means is that dozens of hits from Luffy>one hit from Jozu.
To illustrate what I mean: Luffy knocking out Crocodile after a full fight and Jozu not knocking out Crocodile in one hit is comparable to hitting a brick wall with a small sledgehammer 100 times to bust a hole in it, and hitting that same brick wall with 3x sledgehammer 4 times to bust an equally big hole in it.
Crocodile taking a hit from Jozu doesn't mean that Luffy does more damage than Jozu, it means that taking a beating over time from Luffy hurts more than taking ONE hit from Jozu. Jozu would STILL defeat Crocodile with far greater ease than Luffy did even if Luffy's entire arsenal was>Jozu's one move.
Dibattista27
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Rikudou Tobi
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I wonder what other idiot that thinks Cracker and Dogtooth are on the same level?
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Rikudou Tobi
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Not so much of a surprised that this idiot above me didn't read the conversation I had with Dęvîa Puęrî about who can beat Crocdile in the desert but since you're an idiot I wouldn't expect you to know that much.
Rikudou Tobi
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Boy you some next level retarded if you're that dense enough to not understand the context of the conversation. I said that Crocodile CLAIMED that he was not beaten in the desert, not that he's unstoppable. You need some help with your English dummy?
I know who can beat him in the desert and it's sure as hell not Doflamingo.