[Discussion] You know sometimes you just have to face palm

[The Necromancer]

90% of the guys in here seem to ignore or have forgotten this fact. So yes, it doesn't make sense, what Sasuke did in the end. He should've absorbed Narutos Rasengan and THAN have used his Enton-Chidori. But oh well, plot I guess.

Exactly. A+

 

[Knights Saotome]

for context, naruto RS was absorbed by pein, but he could shoot of 3 before he ran out of nature energy, naruto shot all his nature energy at sasuke in one go. also it dosent fuse into one chakra, is has to be balanced, as explained by the frog when naruto was learn sage mode, if not balanced correctly it cause toad transformation. it dosent fuse into one, if it did it would make the "risk" of sage mode non-existent.

 

[Sir Cool Blizzard]

U are all idiots......Sasuke wanted to kill Naruto and end the IT as soon as possible. Why will he wait to absorb Naruto's chakra? If Sasuke hadn't used that Amaterasu chidori, then NAruto wouldn't have made his rasengan too. They would have continued to fight with their fists until both dropped dead from exhaustion. Or do u think that NAruto really is that big of an idiot that he will use the jutsu first just to be absorbed by Sasuke. Lol
Kurama himself said that it was the last bit of chakra so he should use it carefully, and Naruto used that Rasengan only after Sasuke formed its enton chidori as it was obvious that u can't absorb and consume chakra at the same time since they are entirely opposite in principle. It was stated by Sasuke himself.
So...poor reading comprehension at best. U_U

 

[valandil988]

oh wait, the same thing I already said applies, IT STILL HAS NATURE ENEGRY IN IT. only diluted/ mixed with naruto's, the fact that it is that way dosent mean sasuke wont feel the effects of it if he absorbs it. you still get drunk off beer even if it has only 3 percent alcohol right? now picture the size of that beer to be a whole mother F***ing lake, and drinking it all at once. that would be enough to transform 4 sasukes into toads.

Sigh no thats not how it works. Just read the manga's explanation for senjutsu and then read how chakra is made. Its a physical process that transforms these separate energies into the fuel that chakra is.

Natural energy lends it's potency to the chakra but not its deadly nature for the user. Ergo it is one component in the chakra. But once that chakra is created it is no longer "Natural energy" that distinguishing essence no longer exists there is only senjutsu now. A form of amplified super chakra. Its not Natural energy to any degree. Its enhanced super potent chakra.

I'm sorry but you have to go back and understand what sage mode actually is. Natural energy is balanced with the internal energies of the body Yin & Yang to create a THIRD chakra senjutsu. This senjutsu is not a "mix" its a new chakra as in it will not desolve into its parts so that when one absorbs it it is no more dangerous than normal chakra. Pain's petra path absorbing rasenshuriken proves my point.

Listen I am a Naruto fan and I like Sage mode so don't think I'm bashing it. I just happen to understand what Naruto actually does and why its impressive.

for context, naruto RS was absorbed by pein, but he could shoot of 3 before he ran out of nature energy, naruto shot all his nature energy at sasuke in one go. also it dosent fuse into one chakra, is has to be balanced, as explained by the frog when naruto was learn sage mode, if not balanced correctly it cause toad transformation. it dosent fuse into one, if it did it would make the "risk" of sage mode non-existent.

No, the initial balancing of the different energies is over once the new chakra is created. Go read it. The balancing of the chakra takes place when Naruto is meditating not during battle.

If he had to do that Sage jutsu would be useless to him. Molding chakra is not some silly name for building up energy. Its telling you what the user is doing. He is transforming his Yin and Yang into chakra the fuel for his techniques. Do the Yin and yang of chakra suddenly split into bits???

No Senjutsu is exactly the same its a form of new potent chakra that has THREE components instead of TWO.

I'm not going continue bashing my head off a wall. If you don't want to accept manga facts that your problem. All I was concerned about was how shit the battle between Sasuke and Naruto was ON BOTH SIDES.

 

[Knights Saotome]

Sigh no thats not how it works. Just read the manga's explaination for senjutsu and then read how chakra is made. Its a physical process that transforms these separate energies into the fuel that chakra is.

Natural energy lends it's potency to the chakra but not its deadly nature for the user. Ergo it is one component in the chakra. But once that chakra is created it is no longer "Natural energy" that distinguishing essence no longer exists there is only senjutsu now. A form of amplified super chakra. Its not Natural energy to any degree. Its enhanced super potent chakra.

I'm sorry but you have to go back and understand what sage mode actually is. Natural energy is balanced with the internal energies of the body Yin & Yang to create a THIRD chakra senjutsu. This senjutsu is not a "mix" its a new chakra as in it will not desolve into its part so that when once absorbs it it becomes dangerous.

Listen I am a Naruto fan and I like Sage mode so don't think I'm bashing it. I just happen to understand what Naruto actually does and why its impressive.



No, the initial balancing of the different energies is over once the new chakra is created. Go read it. The balancing of the chakra takes place when Naruto is meditating not during battle.

If he had to do that Sage jutsu would be useless to him. Molding chakra is not some silly name for building up energy. Its telling you what the user is doing. He is transforming his Yin and Yang into chakra the fuel for his techniques. Do the Yin and yang of chakra suddenly split into bits???

No Senjutsu is exactly the same its a form of new potent chakra that has THREE components instead of TWO.

I'm not going continue bashing my head off a wall. If you don't want to accept manga facts that your problem. All I was concerned about was how shit the battle between Sasuke and Naruto was ON BOTH SIDES.

ok when in terms of actual jutsu yes, but what about sasuke absorbing it? its crafted form three different sources, in order for sasuke to store the power, and use it for his own, wouldnt he have to first separate it and then form it again to make his own jutsu? during this process he would have to balance the nature energy out, something he has no experience with. he couldnt just put the amplified chakra into his spirit energy, he also change the energy that was used to mold the chakra.

 

[valandil988]

ok when in terms of actual jutsu yes, but what about sasuke absorbing it? its crafted form three different sources, in order for sasuke to store the power, and use it for his own, wouldnt he have to first separate it and then form it again to make his own jutsu? during this process he would have to balance the nature energy out, something he has no experience with. he couldnt just put the amplified chakra into his spirit energy, he also change the energy that was used to mold the chakra.

No again senjutsu is a fully blown new chakra it doesn't disintegrate into its component parts. Think of it like this the three types of energy are used to create this new chakra. All the natures of these energies are sublimed by the whole that is Senjutsu. Ergo the potent super dangerous effects of Natural energy are negated in this process. Ie Senjutsu is super potent but safe for the user.

This is why Jugo can lend Sasuke senjutsu. Jugo makes the senjutsu from Yin yang and natural energy then passes it to Sasuke who uses it like any other chakra see.

Same thing with petra path. Or with absorbing chakra directly from Naruto its just to with naruto's consent. Inside Naruto's body his whole chakra is senjutsu its no longer in its parts. That molding of senjutsu had already taken place by that time.

If Naruto was meditating at the time and Sasuke tried to absorb his chakra yes he would die very very quickly.

 

[Knights Saotome]

ok when in terms of actual jutsu yes, but what about sasuke absorbing it? its crafted form three different sources, in order for sasuke to store the power, and use it for his own, wouldnt he have to first separate it and then form it again to make his own jutsu? during this process he would have to balance the nature energy out, something he has no experience with. he couldnt just put the amplified chakra into his spirit energy, he also change the energy that was used to mold the chakra.

and not only that, chakra is molded unintentionally at times to, like when MS is unlocked, the second said the brain releases a special chakra, but if it was something made by the person, then there would no requirement for unlocking MS, right? mayhaps i am confused on where chakra comes form, and where it goes, the sage mode says then when molding chakra to use for jutsu, its the two energies combined to create chakra, yet, at most point in the series, chakra is more referred to as something more akin to ki, or chi. like a power source already present in the body, heance why they "run out of it" rather then something created form two energies.

 

[valandil988]

and not only that, chakra is molded unintentionally at times to, like when MS is unlocked, the second said the brain releases a special chakra, but if it was something made by the person, then there would no requirement for unlocking MS, right? mayhaps i am confused on where chakra comes form, and where it goes, the sage mode says then when molding chakra to use for jutsu, its the two energies combined to create chakra, yet, at most point in the series, chakra is more referred to as something more akin to ki, or chi. like a power source already present in the body, heance why they "run out of it" rather then something created form two energies.

No chakra is a fuel created from yin and yang, they "run out of chakra" once they have exhausted their supplies of yin and yang. Ergo they are tired physically and mentally.

Chakra can be made much like when Kurama gathers his chakra he is literally making his chakra from natural energy. How he does this is not stated but there seems to be some form of limit on his ability to do this.

 

[Knights Saotome]

No again senjutsu is a fully blown new chakra it doesn't disintegrate into its component parts. Think of it like this the three types of energy are used to create this new chakra. All the natures of these energies are sublimed by the whole that is Senjutsu. Ergo the potent super dangerous effects of Natural energy are negated in this process. Ie Senjutsu is super potent but safe for the user.

This is why Jugo can lend Sasuke senjutsu. Jugo makes the senjutsu from Yin yang and natural energy then passes it to Sasuke who uses it like any other chakra see.

Same thing with petra path. Or with absorbing chakra directly from Naruto its just to with naruto's consent. Inside Naruto's body his whole chakra is senjutsu its no longer in its parts. That molding of senjutsu had already taken place by that time.

If Naruto was meditating at the time and Sasuke tried to absorb his chakra yes he would die very very quickly.

the simply answer this, where my confusion is coming form, if chakra has to be molded before each jutsu, and as explained by the toad during sage training, the chakra is made form the two energies, if this is so, how dose this relate to chakra in the body? like with gai's gates. how dose someone have to mold energy to make jutsu, when chakra is already present in the body?

 

[Knights Saotome]

No chakra is a fuel created from yin and yang, they "run out of chakra" once they have exhausted their supplies of yin and yang. Ergo they are tired physically and mentally.

Chakra can be made much like when Kurama gathers his chakra he is literally making his chakra from natural energy. How he does this is not stated but there seems to be some form of limit on his ability to do this.

so why need the fuel for chakra when its already present? unless the fusing of energy occurs naturally, and the whole, needing to mold chakra before using jutsu the toad was saying is bs?

 

[Knights Saotome]

just trying to understand correctly. like the explanation of gai's gates states that chakra is, pretty much always flowing though the body, and even inhibited at certain points. in that in itself, if chakra has to be molded, at one point or another, then wouldnt rock lee be unable to use the 8 gates? im just really confused at this point.

EDIT: seeing as the whole reason lee cant use jutsu, is he cant mold chakra.

 

[Knights Saotome]

unless im confusing molding chakra and making chakra? that must be it. but still, even then, it has to be made, it dosent occur naturally in the body, eh w.e bottom line, im sure if sasuke could of, he would of, he was trying to kill naruto after all.

 

[Florio]

It is because Kishi don't care about making good fights anymore, he just wants to end the manga cause he quit.