You have no right to call Kishi a troll for Obito being Tobi.

[Trollasaur]

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Feels so good to be right!

 

[madali09]

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ill plus rep for effort. but i do not agree that tobi is obito in mind and body, It makes no sense in the time line.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

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ill plus rep for effort. but i do not agree that tobi is obito in mind and body, It makes no sense in the time line.

Just wait dude kishi will explain, I have already worked out everything with plot holes and I have realised there is none. But I don't know why he turned evil or how he survived so I to have to wait

 

[Orochimarus Slave]

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Read everything, you have enlightened my state of well being sir. everything you said made 100% true, and made me realize how GREAT this manga is. With this story line alone this makes Naruto one of the best manga in history in my opinion.

 

[Chatte]

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I read it all and you know I do. We have met around threads and you were a logical person so that's why now I will base myself on that.

What my questions/remarks are:

1. Why the indirect hate towards the whole Senju clan that Tobi has shown unless being a very old character?

2. Why Kishi would write the few sentences as this: "Obito?" If it would've been a 100% sure it would've been a full stop or a exclamation mark?

Question mark is used in connection with an 100% uncomplete information, it means there is a missing data there.

If it would've been a full stop it would've represented an undenied piece of evidence. Still Kishi used a question mark meaning the evidence is not 100% accurate/missing data.

3. As well as the phrase construction "It has been confirmed: his name is Obito!"

There Kishi confirms things, it gives us the information that the name is Obito, not the whole person. If it would've been a 100% certain information that Tobi is Obito as a whole, it wouldn't have been necessary for Kishi to add an explanatory note, yet he did it to bring an explanatory note about the name being Obito.

So until isn't 100% sure that Tobi is Obito, until Tobi stated himself, yes, I am Tobi, even though it's a 0.01% chances of being someone else, I am doubting this as it still leaves open possibilities.

It would have been logical for Kishi to mislead to add all those details that took to Obito in order to mess with our minds.

My guess is that it is his body, but there is someone else in there, meaning the counsciousness/soul of another person.

Or it is his consciousness but another body very similar to Tobi's.

But that doesn't mean I don't take into consideration your analysis. You put a lot of effort into it and I respect that. So you have a rep from me.

Regarding my opinion if Tobi is Obito, I don't think you wanna know it.

 

[CrimsonReaper]

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i am with you kishi is not a troll nice theory+ rep

 

[Kira was Righteous]

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Read it all your right +rep especially the oil and water thing very good eye if i do say myself

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

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I read it all and you know I do. We have met around threads and you were a logical person so that's why now I will base myself on that.

What my questions/remarks are:

1. Why the indirect hate towards the whole Senju clan that Tobi has shown unless being a very old character?

2. Why Kishi would write the few sentences as this: "Obito?" If it would've been a 100% sure it would've been a full stop or a exclamation mark?

Question mark is used in connection with an 100% uncomplete information, it means there is a missing data there.

If it would've been a full stop it would've represented an undenied piece of evidence. Still Kishi used a question mark meaning the evidence is not 100% accurate/missing data.

3. As well as the phrase construction "It has been confirmed: his name is Obito!"

There Kishi confirms things, it gives us the information that the name is Obito, not the whole person. If it would've been a 100% certain information that Tobi is Obito as a whole, it wouldn't have been necessary for Kishi to add an explanatory note, yet he did it to bring an explanatory note about the name being Obito.

So until isn't 100% sure that Tobi is Obito, until Tobi stated himself, yes, I am Tobi, even though it's a 0.01% chances of being someone else, I am doubting this as it still leaves open possibilities.

It would have been logical for Kishi to mislead to add all those details that took to Obito in order to mess with our minds.

My guess is that it is his body, but there is someone else in there, meaning the counsciousness/soul of another person.

Or it is his consciousness but another body very similar to Tobi's.

But that doesn't mean I don't take into consideration your analysis. You put a lot of effort into it and I respect that. So you have a rep from me.

Regarding my opinion if Tobi is Obito, I don't think you wanna know it.

Thanks, whether it is obito's full mind and body or not I was close enough. I always knew obito had to be involved in some way. Judging by the way he talks to kakashi, it most likely is obito's mind as well.

There is many things that need answering as you have stated we just have to wait till they are because these are things that I don't even know or haven theories for so the only person who can solve them is kishi

Read it all your right +rep especially the oil and water thing very good eye if i do say myself

Thanks man I have seen all these things throughout the whole series with all this it was almost impossible for them to mean nothing and tobi to not be obito

 

[Honest Criminal]

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I read the whole thing and you deserve an award for the best thread on NB. This was very informative and very well written. The chapter is called Obito Uchiha, he looks like Obito, acts like Obito and Kakashi said it was Obito.

People need to stop complaining.

 

[Chatte]

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Thanks, whether it is obito's full mind and body or not I was close enough. I always knew obito had to be involved in some way. Judging by the way he talks to kakashi, it most likely is obito's mind as well.

There is many things that need answering as you have stated we just have to wait till they are because these are things that I don't even know or haven theories for so the only person who can solve them is kishi

True that you were very close.
You were actually very accurate on the indicative details that would make us believing that actually, yes, Tobi is Obito or the timeline of the events having some connection with the timeline of the events of Obito's ones.

He could even play with our mind making Tobi to state that he was Obito which again would be an 100% that he would be Obito. But we know that Kishi made this character to be a bit of a lier. What if in a singular panel, later on, when he would be by himself or with Zetsu/Madara, he will state something like "I told them I am Obito in order to play with their minds?" or something very similar to that. Wouldn't that be a second mind-f*ck (excuse my language) given to us by Kishi?

So until Kishimoto comes with an undeniable proof that he is indeed Obito, that still leaves open possibilities, as I've stated before.

What if is indeed his mind and body, but actually somewhere in the back there is God knows what whose using Tobi's counsciousness with a jutsu or something like that? What if it is his body that gave a full access to his memories but someone else is there. Like in Queen of the Damned movie (a vampire one) where when you bit someone and had his blood you had full access to his memories. Body includes the brain, the brain stores memories.

The perfect match to play with someone's mind.

Also, something to note, that rumor who was viral these days on the internet would pretty much fit the whole scenario of Tobi = Obito but is not actually Obito, is Izuna.

Because if you remember, it was said that it was indeed, Izuna BUT he will bring a lot of suffer thus implying the fact that looking like Obito will mind-blow Kakashi and everyone else who once knew Obito.

Also that was supposed to be an unleaked information by someone close to Kishimoto that instantly would blow-away the whole impact on the fanbase. But, Kishi as being smart (hope he is because of not... I don't know what to say U_U) made us once again fall into astonishment, as we move our beliefs regarding the rumor.

Than, he comes again later on (still have to see when) and show us Tobi as being Izuna and once again we will be mind-blown. So he got the impact he wanted in the first place EVEN THOUGH the information was leaked.

Nonetheless, we have to wait.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

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I read the whole thing and you deserve an award for the best thread on NB. This was very informative and very well written. The chapter is called Obito Uchiha, he looks like Obito, acts like Obito and Kakashi said it was Obito.

People need to stop complaining.

Thanks man and very true words

True that you were very close.
You were actually very accurate on the indicative details that would make us believing that actually, yes, Tobi is Obito or the timeline of the events having some connection with the timeline of the events of Obito's ones.

He could even play with our mind making Tobi to state that he was Obito which again would be an 100% that he would be Obito. But we know that Kishi made this character to be a bit of a lier. What if in a singular panel, later on, when he would be by himself or with Zetsu/Madara, he will state something like "I told them I am Obito in order to play with their minds?" or something very similar to that. Wouldn't that be a second mind-f*ck (excuse my language) given to us by Kishi?

So until Kishimoto comes with an undeniable proof that he is indeed Obito, that still leaves open possibilities, as I've stated before.

What if is indeed his mind and body, but actually somewhere in the back there is God knows what whose using Tobi's counsciousness with a jutsu or something like that? What if it is his body that gave a full access to his memories but someone else is there. Like in Queen of the Damned movie (a vampire one) where when you bit someone and had his blood you had full access to his memories. Body includes the brain, the brain stores memories.

The perfect match to play with someone's mind.

Also, something to note, that rumor who was viral these days on the internet would pretty much fit the whole scenario of Tobi = Obito but is not actually Obito, is Izuna.

Because if you remember, it was said that it was indeed, Izuna BUT he will bring a lot of suffer thus implying the fact that looking like Obito will mind-blow Kakashi and everyone else who once knew Obito.

Also that was supposed to be an unleaked information by someone close to Kishimoto that instantly would blow-away the whole impact on the fanbase. But, Kishi as being smart (hope he is because of not... I don't know what to say U_U) made us once again fall into astonishment, as we move our beliefs regarding the rumor.

Than, he comes again later on (still have to see when) and show us Tobi as being Izuna and once again we will be mind-blown. So he got the impact he wanted in the first place EVEN THOUGH the information was leaked.

Nonetheless, we have to wait.

Very true anything is possible this is a manga but I think all the things tobi said before was lies and he has finally been exposed

 

[Bad Luck Brian]

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that was beautiful...

 

[Chatte]

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Very true anything is possible this is a manga but I think all the things tobi said before was lies and he has finally been exposed

Yes, he had been exposed, but why do I have the feeling that he wanted to be exposed? He is portrayed as a character who wants to play with people's mind and use undeniable true facts twisted to his own advantage.

And here we have to take into consideration the whole Sasuke story.
Indeed, he told Sasuke what happened to Itachi but he did it that way, that would suit his preferences.

Same things could happen with Kakashi as well. Using undeniable facts to his own benefit although they differ in perspective.

If it's not Obito and is Izuna, the whole information he got after the timeline of his events would be easily explained thanks to Zetsu. But to explain Obito's timeline events with what happens now, is a lot harder.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

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Yes, he had been exposed, but why do I have the feeling that he wanted to be exposed? He is portrayed as a character who wants to play with people's mind and use undeniable true facts twisted to his own advantage.

And here we have to take into consideration the whole Sasuke story.
Indeed, he told Sasuke what happened to Itachi but he did it that way, that would suit his preferences.

Same things could happen with Kakashi as well. Using undeniable facts to his own benefit although they differ in perspective.

Hmm that would be a mind twist but I don't think obito wanted to be revealed naruto forced him to be revealed. Obito was so angry when they made a scratch on his mask you can tell from his eyes.

But once again this is a manga so anything is possible, I'm just waiting to find out the truth

 

[SuperFlyzzED]

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This thread is something!

 

[Chatte]

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Hmm that would be a mind twist but I don't think obito wanted to be revealed naruto forced him to be revealed. Obito was so angry when they made a scratch on his mask you can tell from his eyes.

But once again this is a manga so anything is possible, I'm just waiting to find out the truth

The expose thing I was reffering about him wanted to be exposed when he adressed to Kakashi/Gai.
That would be from where his mind-twisting plan starts.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

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The expose thing I was reffering about him wanted to be exposed when he adressed to Kakashi/Gai.
That would be from where his mind-twisting plan starts.

Lol we will see, I want to see what kishi does about all this too.

 

[Shikamaru1994]

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Amazing thread dude. It would be the best if it does end up being him. But, Kishi has TONS of explaining to do. +rep

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

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Amazing thread dude. It would be the best if it does end up being him. But, Kishi has TONS of explaining to do. +rep

He has loads!! I know most of them I worked them out for my self as you can see.

 

[KillerbYo]

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Also as i said before we knew he was Obito. Obito cared deeply about comrades regarding people that betrayed others worse then scum something Tobi shared, Also Obito regarded the white fang as a great hero and shared his ideal just like he took on Madaras ideal.
Madara was presumed dead. Obito was also presumed dead.