[Discussion] "You don't remember faces, so what's the point of telling you?"

[natssuu]

Nice theory +rep
Tobi is kagami uchiha I think

I'm also going with Kagami, Zetsu clone would be a disappointment.

 

[Memoria]

It doesn't make sense if he's a Zetsu clone, Zetsu always talks to Tobi and records battles for him, why would he talk to himself? I really don't agree with this theory. Zetsu is more like Tobi's servant/pawn.

 

[Simplified]

To kill everything you just said.. It wasnt a zetsu clone they fought with 30% of their powers, it was a jutsu used by Pain/Nagato.

With that being said, NO!

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That doesn't disprove my theory.

That clone wasn't a Zetsu clone. It was Pain's Shapeshifting technique. Anyway, there's definitely something fishy about Tobi's apparent familiarity with Kakashi and Guy's quirks. Kisame must have given Tobi some info on Guy. I think Deidera also shared some info with Nagato about Naruto's personality. So maybe sharing info amoungst each other was just something that Akatsuki did as a sort of protocol.

Yes it has been made clear to me it was Nagato's jutsu. & I agree, I just think that Tobi was acting a little too cocky there, like he was there to see it. Maybe it was the recordings he watched.

Zetsu records everything and Tobi watches it I assume. He could of learned it that way. Wouldn't the statement more-so mean he's someone Guy has met/seen in the past and wouldn't remember?

Yes that is true. I just got back on so my thinking cap isn't quite on yet, but there is still some links between Zetsu and Tobi imo. Tobi speaks very boldly, whether it's truth or lie. When he says he's nobody, I really do believe it.

Tobi knows this fact about Guy Sensei b/c Zetsu records ALL OF ATAKSUKI'S BATTLES. And Tobi watches all of the fights. He knows alot about his enemy including the fact that Guy is a retard with no memory

Refer to the reply i made above.

 

[Armathyx]

He said that to Gai because Gai can't remember faces, that's all there is to it.

 

[Ebottif]

He said that to Gai because Gai can't remember faces, that's all there is to it.

He has to have known Gai beforehand to have that information though. Which means Gai and Kakashi have both seen him before, right? Most antagonists only know the both of them as "Copy Ninja" and "Green Beast of Konoha". This was a bit more personal than usual.

 

[Bijuussj4Naruto]

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What Tobi said back to Kakashi and Guy really caught me off guard. Especially what he said to Guy, about the faces. Does anyone recall who said a very similar thing? Kisame.

- I'm not saying Kisame is Tobi, what I am trying to say is that imo this adds more validity to him being a Zetsu clone. We know the first time Kisame fought Guy, it was a clone. I could be right or wrong about this, but wasn't it a zetsu clone that Kisame was controlling? Or was it the Rinnegan's jutsu? I think if that was a zetsu clone being controlled, there must be a mental link between the clone for my theory to be true.

- Either way, Zetsu was always lurking around, so he could have seen or known about Kisame and Guy's little conversations. He popped up at the 5 kage summit, did a switch with Kisame vs Bee, etc.

-I find the statements he made about Kakashi and Guy to be quite fishy, bottom line. I don't think Tobi is Obito, that's just silly. (A lot of people seem to think so, because of what he said to Kakashi)

- Just remembered this before I hit the submit button, he also stated he is no one, once again. That means he is nobody, not a real person. Thoughts? :shrug:

Sir Tobi says hes no one because he does not want anyone to know who he really is he wants to keep it a secret for a reason I do think and agree that allot of people have their opinnion on why it might be Obito but I for one just wanna find out who it is

 

[grenwood]

It doesn't make sense if he's a Zetsu clone, Zetsu always talks to Tobi and records battles for him, why would he talk to himself? I really don't agree with this theory. Zetsu is more like Tobi's servant/pawn.

okay so since when has zetsu not talked to himself?
anyway i agree its not zetzu clone because theyre all fodder.

 

[grenwood]

He said that to Gai because Gai can't remember faces, that's all there is to it.

he cant remember faces, but he can remember masks(kakashi's and tobis)

 

[Kim291192]

Tobi=obito

Here my theory
- obito gave one of his eyes to kakashi (this is where it starts) we believed him to be crushed by rocks but could he have been saved by perhaps Zetsu. It's possible if it's him. Tobi is not zetsu clone because zest has not got strong offensive power as we heard Tobi state once and if he were that strong they would not have failed in capturing bee that time.

- he has never revealed his face possible a scare from the time he gave kakashi his eye or the damage from the bolder. + we never saw him with two sharingan we only saw his second eye when he took pains.

- the names look have similar characters.

- and lastly the chapter that came out this week reveals that you aren't good at remembering faces so there is no point in telling you. Shows that they have met before so this crosses out Izuna and the second hokage. Also that he is wishes for immortality so it has to be someone who not already at an age that would seem they have been around since the beginning this crosses out sage of 6 paths, izuna and the 2nd hokage again.
I know some of you are thinking but tobi fought the fourth hokage. Yes he did and by that time obito was already reported dead and if you looked at kakashi's age and height at that time he was already around the age between 15-18 so there is the possibility of it being Obito at that time.

That my theory. Please give your thoughts on the issue.

The only question I ask is "why?" that doesn't make sense I don't know what motive obito had for wanting to become immortal and create the ultimate tsukiyomi or destroy the ninja world to do so.

Just because it's obito body doesn't mean it's his soul I guess you could say.

 

[Trinky]

It could be Obito, though. Considering half of him was crushed, it could have been filled in with a zetsu-like substance -- so it supports the thing with the Kisame clone being a zetsu too ;P

 

[th1s1guysays]

It could be Obito, though. Considering half of him was crushed, it could have been filled in with a zetsu-like substance -- so it supports the thing with the Kisame clone being a zetsu too ;P

So when he fought against the 4th Hokage he was a teenager and was careless at the time. Resulting in him getting a rasengan in the back? Maybe thats why he considers Minato his rival.

Also, Remember on that very episode in the anime when blood and white goo was trickling down his arm?

Why didn't that happen when he ripped off his arm when he fought Danzo's subordinates? Does this dignify anything? Like if tobi was prone to pain back then? Or he was an incomplete version?

Those wrinkles on his face could be the result of bad experimentations...sort of like a trial and error situation with the 1st hokages cells and all..maybe there was an accidental ageing process?

 

[Bijuussj4Naruto]

So when he fought against the 4th Hokage he was a teenager and was careless at the time. Resulting in him getting a rasengan in the back? Maybe thats why he considers Minato his rival.

Also, Remember on that very episode in the anime when blood and white goo was trickling down his arm?

Why didn't that happen when he ripped off his arm when he fought Danzo's subordinates? Does this dignify anything? Like if tobi was prone to pain back then? Or he was an incomplete version?

Those wrinkles on his face could be the result of bad experimentations...sort of like a trial and error situation with the 1st hokages cells and all..maybe there was an accidental ageing process?

Sir the fight with danzu he was not hurt that badly he was just simply weak from that side of his body if not weaker than his other side well that's what I think anyways​

 

[rfsacuan]

Tobi is Madara. It has to be simple. 10 yr olds wont enjoy this if it gets complicated.

Madara gets DNA from 1st Hokage. 1st defeated madara, but did not kill madara.

Madara infuses 1st DNA to himself, learns to use wood clone jutsu.

Wood clones do not die when gets hit (like yamato's)

real madara dies, wood clone survives everything.

wood clone madara sets up nagato with rinnegan so he can resurrect real madara.

remember when edo-madara woke up, he thought he was resurrected by nagato. because that was his plan.



this beats all other speculation about tobi's identity because it is simple.

whaddaya think? am i making sense. I'm a noob trying to postulate some theories here. disprove me please.

 

[Trinky]

Wood clones do not die when gets hit (like yamato's)

They die if the person that cast the jutsu dies -- if the original Madara dies, the clones will die too. ;P otherwise a clone could have killed Hashirama after the real Madara died...

 

[the 7th hokage]

I dont think tobi is a clone or something in my opinion he is a uchia
& may a be relative of obito .
That may be the reason he personaly know him !!

 

[Simplified]

Tobi=obito

Here my theory
- obito gave one of his eyes to kakashi (this is where it starts) we believed him to be crushed by rocks but could he have been saved by perhaps Zetsu. It's possible if it's him. Tobi is not zetsu clone because zest has not got strong offensive power as we heard Tobi state once and if he were that strong they would not have failed in capturing bee that time.

- he has never revealed his face possible a scare from the time he gave kakashi his eye or the damage from the bolder. + we never saw him with two sharingan we only saw his second eye when he took pains.

- the names look have similar characters.

- and lastly the chapter that came out this week reveals that you aren't good at remembering faces so there is no point in telling you. Shows that they have met before so this crosses out Izuna and the second hokage. Also that he is wishes for immortality so it has to be someone who not already at an age that would seem they have been around since the beginning this crosses out sage of 6 paths, izuna and the 2nd hokage again.
I know some of you are thinking but tobi fought the fourth hokage. Yes he did and by that time obito was already reported dead and if you looked at kakashi's age and height at that time he was already around the age between 15-18 so there is the possibility of it being Obito at that time.

That my theory. Please give your thoughts on the issue.

The only question I ask is "why?" that doesn't make sense I don't know what motive obito had for wanting to become immortal and create the ultimate tsukiyomi or destroy the ninja world to do so.

Just because it's obito body doesn't mean it's his soul I guess you could say.

Respect your theory but there's just too many plotholes for Tobi to be Obito imo.

It could be Obito, though. Considering half of him was crushed, it could have been filled in with a zetsu-like substance -- so it supports the thing with the Kisame clone being a zetsu too ;P

Possible.

So when he fought against the 4th Hokage he was a teenager and was careless at the time. Resulting in him getting a rasengan in the back? Maybe thats why he considers Minato his rival.

Also, Remember on that very episode in the anime when blood and white goo was trickling down his arm?

Why didn't that happen when he ripped off his arm when he fought Danzo's subordinates? Does this dignify anything? Like if tobi was prone to pain back then? Or he was an incomplete version?

Those wrinkles on his face could be the result of bad experimentations...sort of like a trial and error situation with the 1st hokages cells and all..maybe there was an accidental ageing process?

That is a very good point, slipped my mind. +rep for your contribution, going to put your post in OP.

 

[SilverSlick]

Tobi is not a Zetsu clone for ****s sake. His face was not messed up. It had a few wrinkles, that's what happens when you get old. So ****ing what if he had a Zetsu gooey type arm, its just useful to have extra limbs around. So you're telling me Tobi is a Zetsu clone? Zetsu? The weakest ****ing member of Akatsuki? What the ****? Don't get me started on the useless fodder Obito. Tobi is the main villain. It would make him look like a bitch if he was a clone of anyone, don't you people understand that? Oh yeah, Obito's whole ****ing body was crushed, not just his right side. This is what he'd look like if he were alive

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[Rot]

I don't know..I hope its something interesting but consistent, I would be disappointed if its a totally new character from the past or Zetsu

 

[Xerilith]

Tobi got all is info about is enemies from Zetsu. Meaning that everything that is negative about his enemies Zetsu told him. Bad memory of Guy is 1 thing. What really got my attention was the thing he said to Kakashi

"Kakashi.... You always open your mouth so easily. No wonder you've lived a life of regret.

He seems to know quite the bit about Kakashi too, but how would he know that?
NOTE: Im not saying he is Obito.

SOmething else got my attention too and that was when Tobi reacted in the way he did after Naruto told him about his dream. It was like he remembered something or was touched by it.

I've come up with the most pathetic theory in my life around this, but is also makes sense in some matter..

Tobi = Future Naruto

The reason I say this is because the way he reacted to Naruto, like he remembered something. Also the fact that Naruto promised he would find a way to peace no matter what, he might have found it... The Eye of the Moon plan...

The reason why this doesn't make sense is because Naruto is nothing like Tobi at all... Tobi is to evil, but the theory is still there...

 

[Ultimate Sage Power]

guy has a memory like a fish