He lost them at MF. Marco noted that Whitebeard's conditions at MF were the worst he'd gotten. So it's not like he was like that for the past ten years or even ten weeks.
Whitebeard was also called the WSM still because his Quakes still retained their strength. Note that it was never noted that Whitebeard's physical strength or strength of his Quakes or Haki decreased over the years, just his general health and stamina. In fact, Sengoku's words indicate his DF was as deadly and strong as ever.
COC would have been useless against Akainu and the other Admirals and Yonko anyways, seeing as Ray's COC was ineffective against people 100x weaker than him and Oda said it affects those with weak spirits.
Even if his strength was the same, MF Whitebeard had lost a lot of his reaction speed and health. Kid Ace knocked out the Bluejam Pirates and they were definitely not more than a hundred times weaker than him so strength has nothing to do with knocking people out with COC. I doubt that we've seen all of CoC has to offer since it is the rarest form of Haki, so it should do a lot more than knock out fodders.
He lost them at MF. Marco noted that Whitebeard's conditions at MF were the worst he'd gotten. So it's not like he was like that for the past ten years or even ten weeks.
Whitebeard was also called the WSM still because his Quakes still retained their strength. Note that it was never noted that Whitebeard's physical strength or strength of his Quakes or Haki decreased over the years, just his general health and stamina. In fact, Sengoku's words indicate his DF was as deadly and strong as ever.
COC would have been useless against Akainu and the other Admirals and Yonko anyways, seeing as Ray's COC was ineffective against people 100x weaker than him and Oda said it affects those with weak spirits.
But he lost them regardless and not having observation Haki made him take so much damage and he still looked stronger than akainu, akainu would have lost the battle even more swiftly if wb was fresh with no injuries but if u add observation Haki to it, it's only worse. Admirals are not on par with yonkos that is clear as day from that encounter. Shanks was equal to a fresh old wb and kaido has even more hype can possibly beat unwounded old wb. And fujitora can only dream to get on that level since he's also an admiral. Some Admirals are more like first mate level like kizaru and fujitora who can be matched by the likes of Marco, beckam etc.
But he lost them regardless and not having observation Haki made him take so much damage and he still looked stronger than akainu, akainu would have lost the battle even more swiftly if wb was fresh with no injuries but if u add observation Haki to it, it's only worse. Admirals are not on par with yonkos that is clear as day from that encounter. Shanks was equal to a fresh old wb and kaido has even more hype can possibly beat unwounded old wb. And fujitora can only dream to get on that level since he's also an admiral. Some Admirals are more like first mate level like kizaru and fujitora who can be matched by the likes of Marco, beckam etc.
So do tell us how you are judging the Yonko > Admiral due to a white between the strongest MAN, not just the strongest Pirate, vs one of the admirals. When that same man would've destroyed any other yonko as well.
Shanks was never equal to WB, otherwise WB would not be the strongest man in the world. Shanks is clearly below WB and Kaido.
But he lost them regardless and not having observation Haki made him take so much damage and he still looked stronger than akainu, akainu would have lost the battle even more swiftly if wb was fresh with no injuries but if u add observation Haki to it, it's only worse. Admirals are not on par with yonkos that is clear as day from that encounter. Shanks was equal to a fresh old wb and kaido has even more hype can possibly beat unwounded old wb. And fujitora can only dream to get on that level since he's also an admiral. Some Admirals are more like first mate level like kizaru and fujitora who can be matched by the likes of Marco, beckam etc.
Not even close. When Whitebeard was fresh and old(Squard's stab did nothing, as made clear by Whitebeard himself. When Whitebeard caught a heart attack, Marco and Akainu attributed it to his age, the stab had nothing to do with it), they were tied. Whitebeard's illness striking gave Akainu the edge. If the fight had continued with Whitebeard at his best health, they'd have been tied throughout the entire conflict.
The only reason Whitebeard survived their second encounter was because he broke the ground and Akainu fell in. Whitebeard left the fight so weak, he got killed by Teach and his croonies. Akainu was able to clash with dozens of seasoned pirate and WB's commanders without being injured further. It's obvious WB lost that scuffle and left it far worse than Akainu did.
Not even close. When Whitebeard was fresh and old(Squard's stab did nothing, as made clear by Whitebeard himself. When Whitebeard caught a heart attack, Marco and Akainu attributed it to his age, the stab had nothing to do with it), they were tied. Whitebeard's illness striking gave Akainu the edge. If the fight had continued with Whitebeard at his best health, they'd have been tied throughout the entire conflict.
The only reason Whitebeard survived their second encounter was because he broke the ground and Akainu fell in. Whitebeard left the fight so weak, he got killed by Teach and his croonies. Akainu was able to clash with dozens of seasoned pirate and WB's commanders without being injured further. It's obvious WB lost that scuffle and left it far worse than Akainu did.
Oh yea a stab doesn't matter at all lets just forget all the other bullet wounds and the attacks he tanked, that doesn't count at all. I guess injuries don't matter at all in a battle, it should definitely not slow you down at all. What a joke dude, akainu fought an already hurt wb and lost he didn't fight back as wb moved on. Wb was in a bad condition due to the fact his illness plus the insane damage he took throughout the war which makes u not even close to ur best.
Wb was also bragging u think akainu made him attack wb without any gain from it, ofc not he wanted to win at any cost and squadro helped him out with a decent stab, a stab in ur abdomen is gonna hurt add that with a lot of other damage, he wasn't close to a fresh old wb when he fought akainu.
I guess luffy>doffy cuz why even consider injuries in a fight, ur logic just seems to ignore injuries. And portrayal wise akainu was never shown an equal to wb he was put down and wb moved forward but shanks made the sky split when he and a fresh old wb clashed Oda makes some things clear as day. Akainu is just not up there with the best of the world but he can definitely give a high diff fight but that's about it.
So do tell us how you are judging the Yonko > Admiral due to a white between the strongest MAN, not just the strongest Pirate, vs one of the admirals. When that same man would've destroyed any other yonko as well.
Shanks was never equal to WB, otherwise WB would not be the strongest man in the world. Shanks is clearly below WB and Kaido.
The title was pretty much at the end of its meaningful use but shanks was portrayed on the level of wb he made the sky split with him did Oda ever hype akainu on that level absolutely not so regardless it's an extreme diff fight where as a fresh old wb would have a high diff with akainu. And if ur so hung up on titles Kaido is the worlds strongest creature which includes humans by common sense. His hype has also been again higher than akainu the strongest admiral. Where as kizaru tied with Marco and fujitora even seems weaker than the trio, on average the admirals are weaker than yonkos that is pretty clear. U think fujitora would tie with wb like shanks was portrayed I would laugh if u say yes, they definitely seem a level below on average.
So do tell us how you are judging the Yonko > Admiral due to a white between the strongest MAN, not just the strongest Pirate, vs one of the admirals. When that same man would've destroyed any other yonko as well.
Shanks was never equal to WB, otherwise WB would not be the strongest man in the world. Shanks is clearly below WB and Kaido.
Shanks definitely wouldnt have gotten steam rolled by White Beard like Akainu did.
I genuinely don't understand how you could believe Akainu and the other admirals are on the same level of Shanks and Whitebeard. It has been shown multiple time's that shanks and whitebeard (who were the only yonko's revealed pre-timeskip) are on another level than the admirals past and present.
Areed. Pk, Yonko, Admiral are all basically on the same level. A PK may not necessarily be stronger than the current Yonko/Admiral. I think it was hinted that WB found what he wanted out on the sea so he didnt want to become the PK, same for Reyliegh, he was at least strong enough to stand up to the Admirals, and Probably the current yonko too, bar WB since WB probably wouldnt stop him anyway, also chances are that shanks could have gotten to one piece should he have wanted too, but thats not what he wants. Assuming Wb was still at his Pre-MF health and luffy found One Piece the current PK (luffy) wouldnt be stronger than the WSM (WB) or WSS (Mihawk), or WSC (Kaido), or the Hero of the Marines (Garp), or The Dark King (Reyleigh), and the list goes on so having that title doesnt even make you strong enough to compete, to does imply that you can compete becuase getting the title is hard, but doesnt automatically make you stronger than Yonko or Admirals. Also the funny part is the People that try and tout the Pk title dont seem to equate that to Fleet Admiral or Commander-in-Chief, when if PK is suppose to be the strongest pirate then the equivilent should be fleet admiral or commander in chief...
The title was pretty much at the end of its meaningful use but shanks was portrayed on the level of wb he made the sky split with him did Oda ever hype akainu on that level absolutely not so regardless it's an extreme diff fight where as a fresh old wb would have a high diff with akainu. And if ur so hung up on titles Kaido is the worlds strongest creature which includes humans by common sense. His hype has also been again higher than akainu the strongest admiral. Where as kizaru tied with Marco and fujitora even seems weaker than the trio, on average the admirals are weaker than yonkos that is pretty clear. U think fujitora would tie with wb like shanks was portrayed I would laugh if u say yes, they definitely seem a level below on average.
What hype does Garp have to suggest he was on Roger's level?? none. His only hype is "fought near to death with roger".. which is a feat and not even "Hype".
So , Marines such as Sengoku/Garp/Admirals will not get this so called"unbelievable" hype. Thats something only Pirates seem to get, or unless you are Dragon himself.
Kizaru who wasn't even serious "tied" not even a tie more like his attack that was nowhere close to full power, got matched by Marco and vice-versa. This is like how people were saying Kizaru = Ben Beckman because he stopped what he was doing.. yet couple scans later, he didn't give a shit about ben, and did his thing.
None of the admirals went all out in that War, and that includes Akainu. Whitebeard on the other hand did go all out. Do you know why Admirals couldn't go all out? Because of them being ****ing logia, and any "OP" techniques they produce would affect the marines as well.
Show me where Shanks tied with WB... I'll wait for the scan. Their clash of King's haki doesn't = them tieing. And it also doesn't prove that WB was going all out with his haki against him or if shanks was going all out with his haki. The mere fact, that Kaido is the one who became the "strongest" after WB , should show you that in no regards were they "equal".
Shanks definitely wouldnt have gotten steam rolled by White Beard like Akainu did.
I genuinely don't understand how you could believe Akainu and the other admirals are on the same level of Shanks and Whitebeard. It has been shown multiple time's that shanks and whitebeard (who were the only yonko's revealed pre-timeskip) are on another level than the admirals past and present.
Akainu, also didn't get steamrolled. But what feat of shanks do you have to showcase that the same result that happened with Akainu won't happen to Shanks? None.
Do you know why? Because the Admirals are there to keep the Yonko in check.
Sengoku and Garp (ADMIRALS) were matching people like Roger and WB ("Yonko"). Don't put shanks on Whitebeard's level, when hes weaker than freaking Kaido.
What hype does Garp have to suggest he was on Roger's level?? none. His only hype is "fought near to death with roger".. which is a feat and not even "Hype".
So , Marines such as Sengoku/Garp/Admirals will not get this so called"unbelievable" hype. Thats something only Pirates seem to get, or unless you are Dragon himself.
Kizaru who wasn't even serious "tied" not even a tie more like his attack that was nowhere close to full power, got matched by Marco and vice-versa. This is like how people were saying Kizaru = Ben Beckman because he stopped what he was doing.. yet couple scans later, he didn't give a shit about ben, and did his thing.
None of the admirals went all out in that War, and that includes Akainu. Whitebeard on the other hand did go all out. Do you know why Admirals couldn't go all out? Because of them being ****ing logia, and any "OP" techniques they produce would affect the marines as well.
Show me where Shanks tied with WB... I'll wait for the scan. Their clash of King's haki doesn't = them tieing. And it also doesn't prove that WB was going all out with his haki against him or if shanks was going all out with his haki. The mere fact, that Kaido is the one who became the "strongest" after WB , should show you that in no regards were they "equal".
Akainu, also didn't get steamrolled. But what feat of shanks do you have to showcase that the same result that happened with Akainu won't happen to Shanks? None.
Do you know why? Because the Admirals are there to keep the Yonko in check.
Sengoku and Garp (ADMIRALS) were matching people like Roger and WB ("Yonko"). Don't put shanks on Whitebeard's level, when hes weaker than freaking Kaido.
U don't seem to understand what the word feat is, Garp got hype from that statement from gold roger himself. He was the hero of the marines and a demon to pirates like chinjao. That is hype , that is portayal.
Them clashing and and the heavens splitting is portayal u have to be ignorant to not see something so obvious, they can probably fight each other to extreme diff. Akainu was never given any hype on that level. He stopped a war also he is looked as close to wb in strength it's easy to tell with portayal so obvious.
Oh the admirals weren't trying even akainu who got hit so hard by wb, he's only going 70% what a joke there's a whole side which is just pirates ofc they were trying. Wb had to worry about not sinking ships and killing pirates maybe he wasn't trying lol, Marco was never focused on kizaru cuz he was scared for wb and kizaru still needed someone else to subdue maybe he wasn't trying, dude stop with the nonsense they are trying especially akainu, Marco can keep tanking attacks like nothing and can match an admiral like kizaru, heaven got a hit something kizaru never did, but maybe he should have tried harder instead of getting help lol at ur logic.
U know yonkos keep each other in check also. U think one yonko=admiral what a joke they are somewhat close but yonko is better that's clear but Marines have quantity, if Kaido, big mom or shanks came and helped him GG admirals and navy. One yonko can't take out the navy cuz they got so many good fighters but if yonkos band together it's a different story but it does not happen. U think the likes of fujitora can take on shanks or Kaido and equal them hell no, he would get high diffed. Akainu the strongest struggled against a dying sick old wb. I think Oda makes it clear. And if you don't get portrayal and hype man then I can say stuff like nami> green bull portayal is essential in OP and yonko like shanks and Kaido are portrayed to be better than admirals.
In the golden age yea Garp matched roger and sengoku matched shiki but sengoku still falls short in his hype or even feats compared to Garp who was given the ultimate hype from gold roger and greats feats such as oneshotting a 500 mil pirate chinjao who also hyped him calling him a demon etc. plus he is the hero of the marines and was shown against Marco to sit on the throne while easily pushing Marco back, they guys has a good showing of hype and decent feats plus very solid statements from ppl like gold roger. Also every generation and even back then they had wb who has no rival in the marines along with Rayleigh who by himself is above current admiral level. The marines can't match all the pirates at once usually but can definitely take on one crew and beat them with their superior numbers. Kaido has insane hype and going by simply titles he's better than old wb and shanks is shown on a very close level with old wb.
U don't seem to understand what the word feat is, Garp got hype from that statement from gold roger himself. He was the hero of the marines and a demon to pirates like chinjao. That is hype , that is portayal.
Them clashing and and the heavens splitting is portayal u have to be ignorant to not see something so obvious, they can probably fight each other to extreme diff. Akainu was never given any hype on that level. He stopped a war also he is looked as close to wb in strength it's easy to tell with portayal so obvious.
Oh the admirals weren't trying even akainu who got hit so hard by wb, he's only going 70% what a joke there's a whole side which is just pirates ofc they were trying. Wb had to worry about not sinking ships and killing pirates maybe he wasn't trying lol, Marco was never focused on kizaru cuz he was scared for wb and kizaru still needed someone else to subdue maybe he wasn't trying, dude stop with the nonsense they are trying especially akainu, Marco can keep tanking attacks like nothing and can match an admiral like kizaru, heaven got a hit something kizaru never did, but maybe he should have tried harder instead of getting help lol at ur logic.
U know yonkos keep each other in check also. U think one yonko=admiral what a joke they are somewhat close but yonko is better that's clear but Marines have quantity, if Kaido, big mom or shanks came and helped him GG admirals and navy. One yonko can't take out the navy cuz they got so many good fighters but if yonkos band together it's a different story but it does not happen. U think the likes of fujitora can take on shanks or Kaido and equal them hell no, he would get high diffed. Akainu the strongest struggled against a dying sick old wb. I think Oda makes it clear. And if you don't get portrayal and hype man then I can say stuff like nami> green bull portayal is essential in OP and yonko like shanks and Kaido are portrayed to be better than admirals.
In the golden age yea Garp matched roger and sengoku matched shiki but sengoku still falls short in his hype or even feats compared to Garp who was given the ultimate hype from gold roger and greats feats such as oneshotting a 500 mil pirate chinjao who also hyped him calling him a demon etc. plus he is the hero of the marines and was shown against Marco to sit on the throne while easily pushing Marco back, they guys has a good showing of hype and decent feats plus very solid statements from ppl like gold roger. Also every generation and even back then they had wb who has no rival in the marines along with Rayleigh who by himself is above current admiral level. The marines can't match all the pirates at once usually but can definitely take on one crew and beat them with their superior numbers. Kaido has insane hype and going by simply titles he's better than old wb and shanks is shown on a very close level with old wb.
1. Whitebeard got some good hits on akainu, after he hit him with a cheap shot. However, in their original clash, the clash of their fists. Both were equal.
2. Akainus' feats during the war:
- Faced whitebeard, got back up to good again like nothing happened.
- Faced Whitebeard again, got cheap shotted, and got hit pretty bad... back to normal he went.
- Faced all the top tiers of WB's group, yet couldn't be put down by them.
- Wrecked jimbei and etc.
3. Whitebeard protecting his ships.. sure but they weren't on the battlefield.. and he sure didn't help protect them when he broke up the ocean floor. However, the whole thing about Akainu not being able to go out unlike WB, was also shown in the manga, where WB didn't need to hold back to do any damage to the city itself, But Akainu on the other hand did need to hold back (you are talking about a guy who ****ing changed the climate of an island)...
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4. Akainu vs Whitebeard second round: Was literally an old dude giving it his all and pulling out everything he had vs a Guy who was on the defense and not giving it all. He got some good hits on Akainu, and thats it.
5. Shanks vs Whitebeard , King's Haki clash: This doesn't put Shanks above the admirals.. lol. Even if Garp had clashed with Whitebeard the clouds wouldn't have split, do you know why? Because Garp has no King's Haki. Sengoku/Garp/Akainu/Aokiji/Kizaru have no King's Haki (or atleast they haven't shown it). Meaning the heaven's splitting apart won't be occurring. Its pretty much the same as Akainu and Whitebeard's punches clashing and equaling each other.. and then them never showing both of them fight after that. People like yourself would assume that Akainu can match Whitebeard.. when the reality is not that.
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6. Garp/Whitebeard were the "yonko" of their time (idk if the title actually existed back then or not tho), and the marines who matched them were the Fleet Admiral Sengoku and the Vice-admiral who declined Admiral promotion, but yet was still regarded on the same level as Sengoku (authority/ influence wise) Garp. Similarly the Yonko of this era are matched by the Admirals of this era. Simple portrayal and logic.
7. If Kaido/WB/Big mom/Shanks came to face the marines with all their fleets.. then it would most likely still be the defeat of the Pirates. Simply because the Marines would've called all the forces under them. Meaning forces of other countries, and all the top dogs of the marines who weren't there such as people like Vergo. And not to mention none of the Warlords were even trying much in the war.. so the warlords would be ordered to bring their crews as well. Meaning Doflamingo's executives would be there to.
- If you are referring to merely the 4 yonko by themselves vs the Admirals.. then I would give the 4 yonko the win due to Whitebeard.
8. The yonko do not keep each other in check, this is a fan-made thing that you created. Especially, when they are pirates competing against each other.
9. Old Man Whitebeard, was clearly called the "Strongest man in the world"..he was the strongest Pirate and the strongest person in general until his death. You can't judge the strength of other Yonko by his power. Its like me judging the strength of Akainu and etc by Garp's power.
You don't need the strength of others to become an Admiral. That's something you can achieve based purely on your own strength alone. That's why Admiral level is a real rank of individual strength. The same cannot be said for becoming PK, which is why it's not.
To be an Admiral, you need to grow in power such as Coby. You need the help of your subordinates. Example, Smoker needing Tashigi, a navigator, a cook , a doctor and etc on his ship. There are rare examples such as Fujitora, but we have no clue of his past, and if he was a marine before or not, so i will not be taking the rare exception as the "law". However, you need the strength of others to help you defeat pirates and take on crews. And due to the accomplishments of defeating pirates and etc you will be promoted to the rank of an Admiral, and have thousands under your command. All you are really doing is gaining more people under you along with the ones who were originally with you.
To be a yonko, you need to grow in power such as Luffy. You need the help of your crew members aka subordinates. Example, Luffy needing his crew. There are no rare examples here. However, you need the strength of others to help you defeat other pirate crews and even navigate the seas, and also take on marines.
Admiral is an administrative post, they are people who are the heads of the marines and have the huge numbers of marines and fleets under them. If you claim the PK can be gained by just being sneaky like Buggy, then so can the rank of an Admiral.
Yonko, is a title gained by controlling many territories and having fleet/s. It also isn't specifically related to the strength of the individual.... like you are saying the PK isn't..
HOWEVER, only the strongest marines become Admirals ( Exception being Garp). And only the Strongest Pirates become Yonko. Similarly, the only person to become Pirate King is the guy who could only be matched by 2 people, Whitebeard (later known as the strongest man in the world), and the Marine's Hero Garp.
So if the title of PK don't correlate with the strength of the individual,then neither do titles like Yonko and Admiral.
1. Whitebeard got some good hits on akainu, after he hit him with a cheap shot. However, in their original clash, the clash of their fists. Both were equal.
2. Akainus' feats during the war:
- Faced whitebeard, got back up to good again like nothing happened.
- Faced Whitebeard again, got cheap shotted, and got hit pretty bad... back to normal he went.
- Faced all the top tiers of WB's group, yet couldn't be put down by them.
- Wrecked jimbei and etc.
3. Whitebeard protecting his ships.. sure but they weren't on the battlefield.. and he sure didn't help protect them when he broke up the ocean floor. However, the whole thing about Akainu not being able to go out unlike WB, was also shown in the manga, where WB didn't need to hold back to do any damage to the city itself, But Akainu on the other hand did need to hold back (you are talking about a guy who ****ing changed the climate of an island)...
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4. Akainu vs Whitebeard second round: Was literally an old dude giving it his all and pulling out everything he had vs a Guy who was on the defense and not giving it all. He got some good hits on Akainu, and thats it.
5. Shanks vs Whitebeard , King's Haki clash: This doesn't put Shanks above the admirals.. lol. Even if Garp had clashed with Whitebeard the clouds wouldn't have split, do you know why? Because Garp has no King's Haki. Sengoku/Garp/Akainu/Aokiji/Kizaru have no King's Haki (or atleast they haven't shown it). Meaning the heaven's splitting apart won't be occurring. Its pretty much the same as Akainu and Whitebeard's punches clashing and equaling each other.. and then them never showing both of them fight after that. People like yourself would assume that Akainu can match Whitebeard.. when the reality is not that.
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6. Garp/Whitebeard were the "yonko" of their time (idk if the title actually existed back then or not tho), and the marines who matched them were the Fleet Admiral Sengoku and the Vice-admiral who declined Admiral promotion, but yet was still regarded on the same level as Sengoku (authority/ influence wise) Garp. Similarly the Yonko of this era are matched by the Admirals of this era. Simple portrayal and logic.
7. If Kaido/WB/Big mom/Shanks came to face the marines with all their fleets.. then it would most likely still be the defeat of the Pirates. Simply because the Marines would've called all the forces under them. Meaning forces of other countries, and all the top dogs of the marines who weren't there such as people like Vergo. And not to mention none of the Warlords were even trying much in the war.. so the warlords would be ordered to bring their crews as well. Meaning Doflamingo's executives would be there to.
- If you are referring to merely the 4 yonko by themselves vs the Admirals.. then I would give the 4 yonko the win due to Whitebeard.
8. The yonko do not keep each other in check, this is a fan-made thing that you created. Especially, when they are pirates competing against each other.
9. Old Man Whitebeard, was clearly called the "Strongest man in the world"..he was the strongest Pirate and the strongest person in general until his death. You can't judge the strength of other Yonko by his power. Its like me judging the strength of Akainu and etc by Garp's power.
Response to both of you:
To be an Admiral, you need to grow in power such as Coby. You need the help of your subordinates. Example, Smoker needing Tashigi, a navigator, a cook , a doctor and etc on his ship. There are rare examples such as Fujitora, but we have no clue of his past, and if he was a marine before or not, so i will not be taking the rare exception as the "law". However, you need the strength of others to help you defeat pirates and take on crews. And due to the accomplishments of defeating pirates and etc you will be promoted to the rank of an Admiral, and have thousands under your command. All you are really doing is gaining more people under you along with the ones who were originally with you.
To be a yonko, you need to grow in power such as Luffy. You need the help of your crew members aka subordinates. Example, Luffy needing his crew. There are no rare examples here. However, you need the strength of others to help you defeat other pirate crews and even navigate the seas, and also take on marines.
Admiral is an administrative post, they are people who are the heads of the marines and have the huge numbers of marines and fleets under them. If you claim the PK can be gained by just being sneaky like Buggy, then so can the rank of an Admiral.
Yonko, is a title gained by controlling many territories and having fleet/s. It also isn't specifically related to the strength of the individual.... like you are saying the PK isn't..
HOWEVER, only the strongest marines become Admirals ( Exception being Garp). And only the Strongest Pirates become Yonko. Similarly, the only person to become Pirate King is the guy who could only be matched by 2 people, Whitebeard (later known as the strongest man in the world), and the Marine's Hero Garp.
So if the title of PK don't correlate with the strength of the individual,then neither do titles like Yonko and Admiral.
Yea akainu got his best shot during a heart attack, and he made sure squardo stabbed him yea that's an even fight lol not to mention countless other attacks he tanked. They are not even Oda made sure wb was still winning even after all those injuries. He was going all out there is no proof of otherwise, he's not holding anything back, I kno wb went all out but merely saying everyone had reason to hold back but didn't. And wb technically could have done more damage but he didn't from the get go. Dude ur argument is weak when u compare dying old wb and say he is equal to akainu he lost at even with a gift of attacking him straight into his chest with another million wounds he got any way u cut it wb was in a way worse position then when he entered the battlefield.
It's called hype dude when two characters are splitting skies it's just one way of Oda telling ppl they are mad close in strength, why are u saying everyone should have that same type of hype tool, there's different ways of showing it like Garp hype with a title, or when ppl call him a demon etc or roger saying how strong he is.
Dude marines don't control all the countries and if they came there by chance half of them side with dragon now by the way that's a battle for revolutionaries not pirates so they would oppose the WG too. U think Vergo would make a difference and his executives wouldn't either the pirates have so many allies, wb allies were giving vice admirals trouble. So no WG still loses but we are talking about marines not the WG, cuz we are not counting dragon and stuff which is a whole another faction that is powerful.
Yea 4 yonko do not equal 4 admirals that's ur key point. Shanks is almost as strong as wb and he is better than fujitora etc, Kaido has more hype than even old wb he is the strongest creature meaning he can beat admirals too. Admirals don't have an edge yonkos have more hype and seem to be stronger on average as a group.
Dude Garp and sengoku were said to be matching their counterparts there is no rivalry in this generation like that. And also even back then there was WB who had no rival from the marines so they couldn't match everybody.
And in ur scan wb was casually just breaking things not 100% serious and ppl who high diff can match attacks, vista do it Mihawk for a whil, doflamingo clashed fujitora in DR and in the war matched crocodile but it's not that they are equal. If they were equal akainu should have beaten him bad cuz the guy took a lot of damage and was dying prior to their main scuffle.
Yonko are all trying to get to the throne which is the PK throne, u think they aren't competing they aren't allies in any sense of the word.
Ah I forgot WB was sick. Admirals>Stabbed WB.
No. The gap between the sick and the old is hardly a difference. Prime WB would still have extreme diff against an admiral seeing how easily an admiral overtook him in a weaker state. Rayleigh was going to lose to Kizaru without damaging him even further due to his stamina and I highly doubt that Rayleigh was god in his prime, being able to take out Kizaru, Sentomaru and Kuma in a short amount of time. Rayleigh simply said that he wished he could assist the SHs in some way against Kuma but he was entirely occupied in Kizaru. Defeating someone and slipping away from a fight to quickly assist someone is completely different.
In my opinion, Whitebeard would've lost to any admiral after getting stabbed by Squardo.But only after one hell of a fight. He stalemated Akainu, despite all the drawbacks that were holding him off. Akainu never had upper hand over Whitebeard until when he got chest pain. It made him completely vulnerable to any incoming attack which led Akainu to have his first ever blow on him. I doubt he can defeat an admiral even prior to getting stabbed. But he was on par with them even when his power level was at it's worst. So it's only logical to say that there is an immense difference in their strengths under normal circumstances.
MF Whitebeard was nothing like the one who once hailed as the strongest pirate as well as the strongest man in the world of One Piece. Old Whitebeard was always sick iirc. But back when he fought Shanks ,his illness doesn't have as much effect on his strength as it does during MF. Much of same can be said about him when he was challenged by Crocodile judging from how Crocodile reacted when he was stabbed by Squardo. It was implied on numerous occasions by multiple characters that Whitebeard lost most of his strength due to health related issues. We've Garp and Rayleigh who're in much better shape than Whitebeard as far as health is concerned yet they complain about getting much weaker by being old. So we can only imagine how much Whitebeard'd have lost by being both old and sick.
When Squardo stabbed Whitebeard, Marco noted that he wouldn't fall for such an obvious trick even though he's Old. He went a head and implied that he would've dodged it even if it's from one his own men. But he couldn't even put up haki in time to block it let alone dodging it with a reflex. He failed in similar fashion on numerous occasions which explains how badly his illness effects his raw skills which are more important than island busting attacks to win a fight. Moreover, I'd call the title WSM a joke if the man who holds that title can't even defend against an attack such as that when even people like Luffy can counter it like nothing.
To boot it even further Crocodile called him pathetically weak compared to when they fought. So Whitebeard can stand along side admirals in terms of strength even when his power drops to pathetic levels. So the gap is obviously big. Lets not forgot the fact that Sengou implied that Whitebeard can be the game changer despite having like more than 5 admirals level fighters on his side. They outnumbered team Whitebeard by all means yet he wasn't sure about winning only because of Whitebeard.
Hell they went as low as manipulating one of his men to turn him against him so that they stand a change to defeat him. Why would they do that if they can simply go ahead and beat him on their own. They did it because they can't go against him head on. Put eveything together then you'll have Old Whitebeard ot be on a whole new level than Admirals. And Yonko are the people who proved themselves to be on par with that monster. Just the impact of a clash b/w Shanks and Whitebeard was enough to split heavens in two which is something we've never seen from someone who calls himself an admiral.
Agreed, the Admirals and Yonko are on very similar levels in terms of strength. I do think that Kaido or Shanks could beat them individually in a high-very high difficulty fight though
That being said, Oda did say that if Akainu was the main protagonist, he could end the manga in one year, which implies he would find the one piece and would probably have to take down yonko on the way.
Which marines lives in Marine HQ?
- Fleet Admiral (1)
- Admiral (3)
- Vice Admirals (numeros, but not all)
If Admiral = Yonko, then Yonko and Marine HQ would never balance each other, because of the numeros Vice Admirals.
Marineford war was against Marine HQ + numeros other marines from around the world + Shichibukai (one more organization that balance with Yonkos and Marine HQ) and Whitebeard Pirates/
Sengoku said that WB and his crew should not be underestimated. If Admirals are on the level of the Yonko that would mean that at that time Marines on their side had 6 Yonko level characters (Sengoku, Garp, Akainu, Kizaru, Aokiji and Mihawk), while WB pirates had only one (Whitebeard).
6 Yonkos against 1 Yonko and they shouldn't be underestimate?? Something is wrong there..
Which marines lives in Marine HQ?
- Fleet Admiral (1)
- Admiral (3)
- Vice Admirals (numeros, but not all)
If Admiral = Yonko, then Yonko and Marine HQ would never balance each other, because of the numeros Vice Admirals.
Marineford war was against Marine HQ + numeros other marines from around the world + Shichibukai (one more organization that balance with Yonkos and Marine HQ) and Whitebeard Pirates/
Sengoku said that WB and his crew should not be underestimated. If Admirals are on the level of the Yonko that would mean that at that time Marines on their side had 6 Yonko level characters (Sengoku, Garp, Akainu, Kizaru, Aokiji and Mihawk), while WB pirates had only one (Whitebeard).
6 Yonkos against 1 Yonko and they shouldn't be underestimate?? Something is wrong there..
Not quite. Its the 4 yonkou, their 2 to 3 officers who are capable of tussling with an admiral and the rest of their prominent fighters. The 4 yonkou's, their crews and allies=Marine HQ.
Since the 4 yonko and their armies=Marines HQ, obviously the forces of 1 yonkou would get decimated by not even the full force of Marine HQ. All of WB's forces would've been slaughtered woth the only defeat the marines suffered was John Giant at the hands of WB himself. Garp and Sengoku didn't do anything either. It was WB, the WSM and his destructive ability that was the problem.
