[Discussion] Yonkos and Admirals are equal. PK level does not exist.

[Vandenre1ch]

You hear "yonkou, admiral and PK level" alot, but frankly none of theme exist; there are all on the same level/tier. To be PK, all you need to do is find the OP. Roger became PK because he was the first person to sail the entire world.

As for yonko and admirals, people keep using the WSM to say Yonko>admirals. WB was not jsut a yonkou....he was the WSM......one his very own pedestal....at Marineford, you have one of the following;

1. WB was still the WSM. However, with every new fight, WB was weaker than before.
WB>(barely)Akainu. Only raw power barely puts him above.
Stabbed WB<Aokiji and WB had to be saved by Jozu
Stabbed WB<Akainu and Akainu easily stopped WB's gura bisento with one leg
WB with a hole in his chest<Akainu
WB with a hole in his chest<Kizaru. He held down WB's bisento with one leg and blasted two holes in him

2. Shanks never scared anyone. Everyone was simply shocked that another Yonko showed up and it was Sengoku's call whether the war would continue or not. He gave Shanks what he wanted simply out of respect for WB.

3. Admirals>Yonko first mates. All it took was one distraction for Marco and Jozu to be "killed" by Aokiji and Kizaru.

4. It was said again and again that Luffy would have to defeat the yonko AND the admirals in order to be PK as they are directly trying to stop him. The admirals are always spoken in the same light as the yonkou(strength isnt entirely necessary to be PK though).

 

[Urda]

I always thought their strength was determine by their experience and/or devil fruit.

 

[keshav31]

You hear "yonkou, admiral and PK level" alot, but frankly none of theme exist; there are all on the same level/tier. To be PK, all you need to do is find the OP. Roger became PK because he was the first person to sail the entire world.

As for yonko and admirals, people keep using the WSM to say Yonko>admirals. WB was not jsut a yonkou....he was the WSM......one his very own pedestal....at Marineford, you have one of the following;

1. WB was still the WSM. However, with every new fight, WB was weaker than before.
WB>(barely)Akainu.
Stabbed WB=Aokiji and WB had to be saved by Jozu
Stabbed WB=Akainu and Akainu easily stopped WB's gura bisento with one leg
WB with a hole in his chest<Akainu
WB with a hole in his chest<Kizaru. He held down WB's bisento with one leg and blasted two holes in him

2. Shanks never scared anyone. Everyone was simply shocked that another Yonko showed up and it was Sengoku's call whether the war would continue or not. He gave Shanks what he wanted simply out of respect for WB.

3. Admirals>Yonko first mates. All it took was one distraction for Marco and Jozu to be "killed" by Aokiji and Kizaru.

4. It was said again and again that Luffy would have to defeat the yonko AND the admirals in order to be PK as they are directly trying to stop him. The admirals are always spoken in the same light as the yonkou(strength isnt entirely necessary to be PK though).

Well WB was too old to fight like a PK at Marineford .He was on medication the whole time after receiving scar from battles in his Youth.But WB can be PK in his Youth.As about Yonko we don't know there power level weather it was Kaido.Big mom or even Shanks.BB is strong but when he fight WB but WB was too much injured and then also beat BB.If everything is wrong may be Govt. doesn't fear yonko as one person but as a whole crew of a yonko

 

[A v i]

If Old sick and stabbed Whitebeard is equal to an admiral then don't you think healthy Whitebeard would be much stronger than admirals? Not to mention his prime which'd increase the gap even further. Rayleigh in his 70's matching an admiral in combat with his only problem being stamina, he wasn't even active for 20 years implying that he was much more capable than an admiral during his golden days. So your point isn't entirely factual. I am not sure above levels but there exists a substantial gap between their strengths.

 

[Passerby]

Old Sick WB was individually superior to every Admiral at Marineford so obviously Prime WB will make the Admirals look like 7 year olds playing with a toy sword. Prime WB is beyond Yonko level.

Btw Kaido>Anybody via outlasting :bdpf:

 

[ahmo]

You hear "yonkou, admiral and PK level" alot, but frankly none of theme exist; there are all on the same level/tier. To be PK, all you need to do is find the OP. Roger became PK because he was the first person to sail the entire world.

As for yonko and admirals, people keep using the WSM to say Yonko>admirals. WB was not jsut a yonkou....he was the WSM......one his very own pedestal....at Marineford, you have one of the following;

1. WB was still the WSM. However, with every new fight, WB was weaker than before.
WB>(barely)Akainu.
Stabbed WB=Aokiji and WB had to be saved by Jozu
Stabbed WB=Akainu and Akainu easily stopped WB's gura bisento with one leg
WB with a hole in his chest<Akainu
WB with a hole in his chest<Kizaru. He held down WB's bisento with one leg and blasted two holes in him

2. Shanks never scared anyone. Everyone was simply shocked that another Yonko showed up and it was Sengoku's call whether the war would continue or not. He gave Shanks what he wanted simply out of respect for WB.

3. Admirals>Yonko first mates. All it took was one distraction for Marco and Jozu to be "killed" by Aokiji and Kizaru.

4. It was said again and again that Luffy would have to defeat the yonko AND the admirals in order to be PK as they are directly trying to stop him. The admirals are always spoken in the same light as the yonkou(strength isnt entirely necessary to be PK though).

but pk level does exist, if it doesnt where does that leave roger?

 

[Ripple Hole]

Not like an old and sick WB was arguably fighting the strongest admiral along with tons of others or something.:|

 

[Vandenre1ch]

If Old sick and stabbed Whitebeard is equal to an admiral then don't you think healthy Whitebeard would be much stronger than admirals? Not to mention his prime which'd increase the gap even further. Rayleigh in his 70's matching an admiral in combat with his only problem being stamina, he wasn't even active for 20 years implying that he was much more capable than an admiral during his golden days. So your point isn't entirely factual. I am not sure above levels but there exists a substantial gap between their strengths.

Ah I forgot WB was sick. Admirals>Stabbed WB.

No. The gap between the sick and the old is hardly a difference. Prime WB would still have extreme diff against an admiral seeing how easily an admiral overtook him in a weaker state. Rayleigh was going to lose to Kizaru without damaging him even further due to his stamina and I highly doubt that Rayleigh was god in his prime, being able to take out Kizaru, Sentomaru and Kuma in a short amount of time. Rayleigh simply said that he wished he could assist the SHs in some way against Kuma but he was entirely occupied in Kizaru. Defeating someone and slipping away from a fight to quickly assist someone is completely different.

 

[Tobi98]

I agree that Admiral = Yonko but PK level exists wich is just the level of Roger and Prime WB (maybe Garp too)

 

[KingHashirama]

Tier 1:

Roger/Garp/WB/Sengoku, in their golden age.


Tier 2:

Yonko / 4 admirals / Old WB/Sengoku/Garp




(I'm leaving Dragon/Kong out of the tiers, until we get confirmed info on their powers and so on. But i see only those 2, being in tier one from those who are alive right now)


The fact that an old guy who was sick in health, and was constantly on medicine and was being taken care of.. was considered the world's strongest man, and the strongest dude alive, while people such as Kaido/Shanks/Akainu/Aokiji/Kizaru are in their primes.. goes to show the sheer difference in their power.

 

[Bogard]

Nope, Pirate King level does exist. Why? Rayleigh is implied to be stronger than admirals in his prime and he is below Roger the pirate king. Old and sick Whitebeard was stronger than admirals, so he must have been a tier higher in his prime

I personally place them this way

Tier1:

Roger/WB

Tier2:

Admirals/Yonkos/Legends

Tier3: Yonko firstmates

And so on

Yonkos and admirals are on similar tier, but yonkos are stronger from average. Whitebeard was the world strongest preskip. Kaido has insane hype post-skip and Shanks has good portrayal with Blackbeard being the final villain. At this point the only yonko i could give a chance for an admiral to beat more times than not is Big Mam

 

[Punk Hazard]

I agree that Admiral = Yonko but PK level exists wich is just the level of Roger and Prime WB (maybe Garp too)

There's no such thing as PK level. Otherwise, becoming PK would rely on strength alone

 

[chopstickchakra]

You hear "yonkou, admiral and PK level" alot, but frankly none of theme exist; there are all on the same level/tier. To be PK, all you need to do is find the OP. Roger became PK because he was the first person to sail the entire world.

As for yonko and admirals, people keep using the WSM to say Yonko>admirals. WB was not jsut a yonkou....he was the WSM......one his very own pedestal....at Marineford, you have one of the following;

1. WB was still the WSM. However, with every new fight, WB was weaker than before.
WB>(barely)Akainu. Only raw power barely puts him above.
Stabbed WB<Aokiji and WB had to be saved by Jozu
Stabbed WB<Akainu and Akainu easily stopped WB's gura bisento with one leg
WB with a hole in his chest<Akainu
WB with a hole in his chest<Kizaru. He held down WB's bisento with one leg and blasted two holes in him

2. Shanks never scared anyone. Everyone was simply shocked that another Yonko showed up and it was Sengoku's call whether the war would continue or not. He gave Shanks what he wanted simply out of respect for WB.

3. Admirals>Yonko first mates. All it took was one distraction for Marco and Jozu to be "killed" by Aokiji and Kizaru.

4. It was said again and again that Luffy would have to defeat the yonko AND the admirals in order to be PK as they are directly trying to stop him. The admirals are always spoken in the same light as the yonkou(strength isnt entirely necessary to be PK though).

To be PK, all you need to do is find the OP. Roger became PK because he was the first person to sail the entire world.

Finding the OP makes you the NEXT PK but only because Roger hid it before he died, as far as we know until now the OP doesn't have any connection to the PK other than being owned by him. Roger got the PK title because he was the strongest pirate of his time, why that doesn't get you PK now is because as far as we know there is only 1 PK in OP history and that's Roger. If it's revealed later there was a PK before Roger than maybe being the owner of OP is what makes you PK but as of now it's being the strongest and having the ability to go where you want and do what you want which also means you need to be tough or tricky enough to avoid capture.

PK level is absolutely above Admiral/Yonkou since no 1 admiral can take out the PK(has never been shown or implied to be able to at least) Also there's pretty clearly a power level area concerning Admiral, that's how the Marines pick who will be the Admirals by gauging whether their power is sufficient so there must be a scope of power they're basing what is good enough off of. Yonkou level is a pirate with a power level comparable to an Admiral, there are only 4 Yonkou but there could be more pirates out there who have a power level in range of the current Yonkou thus making them Yonkou level. in a 1v1 an AdmiralvYonkou match is the flip of a coin but the WB example you gave was all 3 Admirals plus attacking 1 Yonkou and crew and you're point to Shanks seems like a big attempt to try and downplay his hype. Sengoku called an end to MF because just 1 Yonkou had already cost them so much there was seemingly little to no chance they'd survive if a new Yonkou joined in this late into the battle.

 

[MickNerks]

Obviously there is a pirate king level. And I honestly do believe that Yonko have been shown to be slightly if not significantly stronger than Admirals. I mean look at Aokiji, he left the marines as a admiral and decided to serve UNDER a Yonko (blackbeard). One Piece has always depicted Yonko's as being stronger than Admirals.

Pirate King Gol Roger by hype and feats has been shown as stronger than both admirals and yonko. His only rivals being Whitebeard and Garp, but everyone else falling under him. He defeated shiki's entire fleet, he conquered the entire sea, he even rivaled and possibly defeated whitebeard while they were both in their primes and whitebeard was known as the WSM during the reign of Roger so that says alot about Rogers own Strength.

IMO ranking goes (Prime):

- Pirate King (Gol Roger, Whitebeard, Garp)
- Yonko/Fleet Admiral (Shanks, Kaido, Big Mom, Rayleigh, Blackbeard, Sengoku)
- Admiral (Akainu, Kizaru, Aokiji, Jack, Fujitora)

There's no such thing as PK level. Otherwise, becoming PK would rely on strength alone

Pirate King does depend on strength. It doesn't solely rely only on strength, but you have to be the strongest and have a strong crew in order to conquer the grand line or the entire sea for that matter.

But I do not think the Pirate King Status only rely's on strength, but strength does play a factor.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Obviously there is a pirate king level. And I honestly do believe that Yonko have been shown to be slightly if not significantly stronger than Admirals. I mean look at Aokiji, he left the marines as a admiral and decided to serve UNDER a Yonko (blackbeard). One Piece has always depicted Yonko's as being stronger than Admirals.

Pirate King Gol Roger by hype and feats has been shown as stronger than both admirals and yonko. His only rivals being Whitebeard and Garp, but everyone else falling under him. He defeated shiki's entire fleet, he conquered the entire sea, he even rivaled and possibly defeated whitebeard while they were both in their primes and whitebeard was known as the WSM during the reign of Roger so that says alot about Rogers own Strength.

IMO ranking goes (Prime):

- Pirate King (Gol Roger, Whitebeard, Garp)
- Yonko/Fleet Admiral (Shanks, Kaido, Big Mom, Rayleigh, Blackbeard, Sengoku)
- Admiral (Akainu, Kizaru, Aokiji, Jack, Fujitora)



Pirate King does depend on strength. It doesn't solely rely only on strength, but you have to be the strongest and have a strong crew in order to conquer the grand line or the entire sea for that matter.

But I do not think the Pirate King Status only rely's on strength, but strength does play a factor.

It plays a factor yes, but it's not even the most important one. The fact that you need the strength of others to even become PK shows that it's not a rank of your own individual power.

 

[KingHashirama]

It plays a factor yes, but it's not even the most important one. The fact that you need the strength of others to even become PK shows that it's not a rank of your own individual power.

thats a weak argument for that.


Admiral - need the strength of others.

Yonko - you definitely need the strength of others.

 

[Punk Hazard]

thats a weak argument for that.


Admiral - need the strength of others.

Yonko - you definitely need the strength of others.

You don't need the strength of others to become an Admiral. That's something you can achieve based purely on your own strength alone. That's why Admiral level is a real rank of individual strength. The same cannot be said for becoming PK, which is why it's not.

 

[loj]

thats a weak argument for that.


Admiral - need the strength of others.

Yonko - you definitely need the strength of others.

What?

Admiral is pure strength what strength of others?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

An old, sick Whitebeard who lost his CoO and CoC was still the WSM. Prime Whitebeard and Roger are definitely above admirals and yonkos.

 

[Punk Hazard]

An old, sick Whitebeard who lost his CoO and CoC was still the WSM. Prime Whitebeard and Roger are definitely above admirals and yonkos.

He lost them at MF. Marco noted that Whitebeard's conditions at MF were the worst he'd gotten. So it's not like he was like that for the past ten years or even ten weeks.

Whitebeard was also called the WSM still because his Quakes still retained their strength. Note that it was never noted that Whitebeard's physical strength or strength of his Quakes or Haki decreased over the years, just his general health and stamina. In fact, Sengoku's words indicate his DF was as deadly and strong as ever.

COC would have been useless against Akainu and the other Admirals and Yonko anyways, seeing as Ray's COC was ineffective against people 100x weaker than him and Oda said it affects those with weak spirits.