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First I'll post evidence to prove my point. Yin and Yang in the ABRP are said to be counterparts and equals to each other, however the current iterations of both make it so that this is not the case. It's well known by this point that Yin has historically been much better than Yang, and that a Yin oriented moderater/team where the ones that first created these two. Since it's introduction to the RP changes have been made to Yang to make it stronger, but it's nowhere near Yin's level and the changes to the specialties has made this even worse. I'll now illustrate my first point which you can see by going to the canon Y/Y thread. Yang and Yin state have been omitted from this chart because it'd be sort of redundant and those are relatively well balanced. Remember, Yin and Yang are supposed to be counterbalanced of THEMSELVES.
*Yin Release: Great Phantom Dragons was not included due to it only restricting elements used within the dragon
**(Inton: Ten ni henkō) - Yin Release: Change into Heaven allows the user to make a technique neutral to all elements but was not included
***(Yoton: Ken'i) - Yang Release: Power of The Sun boosts the users tai by +40, heals every turn by 30, and decreases physical damage taken by 60
****( Inton: Onyx Chidori ) - Yin Release: Black Thousand Birds deals over 100 damage but was not included due to being character exclusive
*****No boosts were included here, only attacks
****** Black Thousand Birds was not included, White Tiger affects the opponents Yin use after 2 strikes from close range
Yin Specialist: # of Perks - 4
Users will gain heightened spiritual abilities translating into an awareness of all genjutsu and spiritual entities below MS level and passive genjutsu kai up to B-rank. As well, Yin user's genjutsu give them heightened genjutsu prowess, allowing them to render their genjutsu techniques unbreakable by one of the primary methods of release (to be specified during the move). The user's chakra siphoning abilities becomes stronger allowing them to passively siphon 30 chakra per turn from enemies.
Users will gain heightened vitality translating to 1000 chakra increase to their natural reserves. As well, their physical durability increases significantly, allowing them to reduce up C-rank damage (30 dmg) from physically damaging techniques like any nin, tai, and kenjutsu. As well, they are immune to recoil damage from techniques that cause it like Forbidden, though they still succumb to the jutsu's other subscribed affects.
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Oh wow looks like we have a vastly more balanced set of techniques already. Gee this was hard. I wish someone had put the 45 minutes into this that I have
2. A Yang technique that can be used in the same timeframe of another tai/ken technique that produces waves of Yang that either A) Limit the number of techniques the opponent can use per turn due to the sealing of their chakra (an effect seen in white tiger) B) Lower their Speed (manipulating their limbs in a negative way the way Yang users can manipulate their own limbs in a positive way) C) Lower their tracking (same logic but with their eyes) that will land even if the blow/blade actually misses. This is a counterpart to Hungry Ghost, which can be used on ANY elemental technique and lowers the opponents techniques for 4 turns by 1 rank even if countered.
3. A flat 1 rank increase to a Tai/Ken/Bukijutsu technique that can be used in the same timeframe as the technique used. This would just be a boost that could play with the boosts Yin provide, though because Yin effects more fields than Yang, this would help fill in the gaps even moreso.
The issue comes that all of these not only outnumber Yang's perks, but also are all directly battle oriented. You can count how many battles have ended due to chakra usage in the entire history of the RP on one hand. Yang's 30 damage blocking seems good until you realize that Yin is a spiritual and energy based field which completely gets around the purely physical durability of Yang (remember these fields are supposed to be counterbalances). And immunity to recoil from techniques? Wow So 90% F ranks? Oh and we still have to deal with the actual effects of the jutsu? Gee thanks thats real useful. What was that one supposed to correspond to? Anyway here are some suggestions
1. Yang specialists may use physical techniques up to B rank passively (equate this to the usage limit of Kai) / Yang specialists can passively become immune to A rank physical techniques (equate this to the usage limit of Kai) . This is to counterbalance the kai perk which enables passive release of Genjutsu up to B rank. The reason that A rank physical techniques was used was due to the fact that Tai is weaker than elemental techniques by a rank generally and is the defensive application. The B rank technique usage is low ranked and is an offensive version of a counterbalance to this perk
2. Yang specialists gain x1.5-2.0 tracking/Yang Specialists gain +2 to their base speed that does not count towards their limit. This is to counterbalance Yins spiritual sensing and is more based in the physical realms like Yang is supposed to be and is representative of a yang users increased physical abilities on a defensive side. Its also a relatively minor boost to coincide with the fact that Yin's sensing is limited to below MS level. The second suggestion is an offensive representation of the same thing
3. Yang specialists physical prowess is such that their physical techniques are too fast to dodge physically and must be countered directly or a noted speed ninjutsu must be used. Sounds kinda wild right? So is CUTTING OFF 1 OF 3 release methods for Genutsu. This is a counterbalance to that perk and honestly both this and that perk in particular for Yin users can be done away with. This still allows physical, spiritual, or energy techniques to be used to counter as well as fast ninjutsu such as body flicker to escape. So just like this Yin perk it leaves 2 options to get counter and probably some others if you really think about it. This, like the Yin perk, also provides an actual helping usage to the fields Yang tends to affect the most
While I find the Passive Yin chakra stealing without even the use of a technique to be completely wild, it counters nicely with the Yang chakra boost.
Anyway, thanks for coming to my Ted Talk. I may do one for updating the NB 7 swordsman things if I get good feedback from this. Those swords used to be something heavily coveted and sought after, now theyre weaker than most CJ's and it appears no one wants to dedicate a whopping 45 minutes to and hour to update those either
Canon Techniques
Yin | Yang | |
Techniques that force restrictions on using other fields while in use | 1* | 3 |
Techniques that allow you to boost rank or create equivalent effect of their techniques | 3** | 1*** |
Techniques that deal over 100 Damage | 2**** | 1 |
Techniques that require user to be short range of enemy for effectiveness | 0 | 3 |
Techniques that can be used at range for effectiveness***** | 2 | 1 |
Techniques that directly counter the other field****** | 0 | 1 |
Techniques that heal the user | 0 | 2 |
**(Inton: Ten ni henkō) - Yin Release: Change into Heaven allows the user to make a technique neutral to all elements but was not included
***(Yoton: Ken'i) - Yang Release: Power of The Sun boosts the users tai by +40, heals every turn by 30, and decreases physical damage taken by 60
****( Inton: Onyx Chidori ) - Yin Release: Black Thousand Birds deals over 100 damage but was not included due to being character exclusive
*****No boosts were included here, only attacks
****** Black Thousand Birds was not included, White Tiger affects the opponents Yin use after 2 strikes from close range
Specialist Perks
Yin Specialist: # of Perks - 4
Users will gain heightened spiritual abilities translating into an awareness of all genjutsu and spiritual entities below MS level and passive genjutsu kai up to B-rank. As well, Yin user's genjutsu give them heightened genjutsu prowess, allowing them to render their genjutsu techniques unbreakable by one of the primary methods of release (to be specified during the move). The user's chakra siphoning abilities becomes stronger allowing them to passively siphon 30 chakra per turn from enemies.
- Sensing of genjutsu as well as spiritual entities - direct battle based application
- Genjutsu release passively up to B rank - direct battle based application
- Rendering 1 of the 3 methods of gen release - extremely direct battle based application
- Passively taking 30 chakra from opponents per turn - wow
Users will gain heightened vitality translating to 1000 chakra increase to their natural reserves. As well, their physical durability increases significantly, allowing them to reduce up C-rank damage (30 dmg) from physically damaging techniques like any nin, tai, and kenjutsu. As well, they are immune to recoil damage from techniques that cause it like Forbidden, though they still succumb to the jutsu's other subscribed affects.
- 1000 Chakra boost - indirect battle based application
- Durability of up to 30 physical damage - direct battle based application (useless against energy/spiritual damage which happens to be yin's basis)
- Immune to recoil damage - minor indirect battle based application
Suggested fixes for balance
Techniques
1.Techniques
This needs this note " While this technique is in use, the user cannot use any non-elemental ninjutsu, Yang Release, or Yin-Yang techniques " in order to both bring down it's spam as well as bringing to the same restriction with its counter technique in Yang, 8 Branches.
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This needs to be edited to do 120 Damage so that it's more useful, is a true counter to it's Yin counterpart, Hands of Sloth, and equalizes the gap between damaging techniques between the two fields. Yang only has ONE damaging technique currently and this would make this technique vastly more useful
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Make the contact variant of Ring of Hell able to be used on the user themself as well and make it able to be used in the same timeframe as other techniques like Yin boosting techniques Hungry Ghost, 5 Elements Illusion and Change into Heaven. Also, Yang is about physical vitality. Taijutsu is NOT the only field that uses physical prowess. Kenjutsu/Bukijutsu also utilizes Physical strength, so have the taijutsu boosts also apply to those fields as well. This also applies for Power of the Sun. The ranged variation can still be used on allies, and this also serves to close the gap between boosting techniques each field has.
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What I bolded here is a filler restriction (there is no rank above F rank to raise the jutsu to) and would get any custom declined or would be removed in ANY other instance. This needs to only be able to be applied to Genjutsu up to A rank. When you factor in the fact that Yin specialists get to eliminate 1 of THREE methods of genjutsu release along with the fact that S rank gen already requires an F rank surge (dont even get me started on genjutsu being able to paralyze you + currently all jutsu S rank and above need handseals) this may need to be lowered to Genjutsu up to B rank. ESPECIALLY for Yin specialists in its current form
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Hungry Ghost not only has a damaging form of it built into its canon in the form of Phantom Dragons (change into hell does not have any such thing but is capped at 3 uses) but it also will passively drain rank from the opponent's techniques even if its blocked. Drop this down to 3 uses per battle like change into hell and keep Phantom Dragons as a counted usage as well
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Make it so that the bolded doesn't apply and happens at the speed Mystic Palm if not faster due to Yang being a higher healing order when being used on the user itself. Why? The user should be able to heal himself and manipulate his body easier than healing someone else. If you're gonna say that Yang should be more defensive, dont short change Yang users with a cop out note such as that. You can even lower the healing damage to 120 or 100 if you really want to cry about it
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Make this Long range to properly counterbalance Phantom Dragons. Phantom Dragons also has an auxillary effect of Hungry Ghost available to it at regular Yin mastery, while Yang Mastery merely grants a 120 damage technique. Either make the effect of hungry ghost an effect granted at Yin-Yang knowledge which is the time in which 8 branches gains it's auxillary efffect, or give this tech an extra effect at regular Yang mastery. Don't make it a "this must bite the opponent multiple times" trigger to have its effect either. Phantom Dragons is able to trigger hungry ghost merely from hitting the opponent or an enemy technique once. Do something like that for this where it inhibits the opponent.
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The Yin TSB have a limit of 100 damage, which is a "rank" after Forbiddens at 90 damage. This should only be able to give +10 Damage to F ranks in order to correspond with this
Oh wow looks like we have a vastly more balanced set of techniques already. Gee this was hard. I wish someone had put the 45 minutes into this that I have
Miscellaneous SUGGESTED CANON ADDITIONS (And Why)
1. A Yang technique that makes the user's Tai/Ken neutral to elemental techniques and is able to give them a coating of yang (or a blast similar to Frog Kata) that makes them reach into Short range. This is a counterpart to Change into heaven which lets the user change the properties of a technique TO ANYTHING HE WANTS and lets him make his techniques neutral to any element. Seems fair to me
2. A Yang technique that can be used in the same timeframe of another tai/ken technique that produces waves of Yang that either A) Limit the number of techniques the opponent can use per turn due to the sealing of their chakra (an effect seen in white tiger) B) Lower their Speed (manipulating their limbs in a negative way the way Yang users can manipulate their own limbs in a positive way) C) Lower their tracking (same logic but with their eyes) that will land even if the blow/blade actually misses. This is a counterpart to Hungry Ghost, which can be used on ANY elemental technique and lowers the opponents techniques for 4 turns by 1 rank even if countered.
3. A flat 1 rank increase to a Tai/Ken/Bukijutsu technique that can be used in the same timeframe as the technique used. This would just be a boost that could play with the boosts Yin provide, though because Yin effects more fields than Yang, this would help fill in the gaps even moreso.
PERK BALANCES (LOL)
The perks differences between Yin and Yang are wild to put it mildly. As explained above, the rank boosts in genjutsu combined with the elimination of a release method is completely ridiculous. Who in Gods name thought letting someone steal 30 chakra per turn passively was a good idea? This is damn near broken vs sage mode users Genjutsu release passively for B rank is fine. And I can live with sensing spiritual entities below MS level (I guess).The issue comes that all of these not only outnumber Yang's perks, but also are all directly battle oriented. You can count how many battles have ended due to chakra usage in the entire history of the RP on one hand. Yang's 30 damage blocking seems good until you realize that Yin is a spiritual and energy based field which completely gets around the purely physical durability of Yang (remember these fields are supposed to be counterbalances). And immunity to recoil from techniques? Wow So 90% F ranks? Oh and we still have to deal with the actual effects of the jutsu? Gee thanks thats real useful. What was that one supposed to correspond to? Anyway here are some suggestions
1. Yang specialists may use physical techniques up to B rank passively (equate this to the usage limit of Kai) / Yang specialists can passively become immune to A rank physical techniques (equate this to the usage limit of Kai) . This is to counterbalance the kai perk which enables passive release of Genjutsu up to B rank. The reason that A rank physical techniques was used was due to the fact that Tai is weaker than elemental techniques by a rank generally and is the defensive application. The B rank technique usage is low ranked and is an offensive version of a counterbalance to this perk
2. Yang specialists gain x1.5-2.0 tracking/Yang Specialists gain +2 to their base speed that does not count towards their limit. This is to counterbalance Yins spiritual sensing and is more based in the physical realms like Yang is supposed to be and is representative of a yang users increased physical abilities on a defensive side. Its also a relatively minor boost to coincide with the fact that Yin's sensing is limited to below MS level. The second suggestion is an offensive representation of the same thing
3. Yang specialists physical prowess is such that their physical techniques are too fast to dodge physically and must be countered directly or a noted speed ninjutsu must be used. Sounds kinda wild right? So is CUTTING OFF 1 OF 3 release methods for Genutsu. This is a counterbalance to that perk and honestly both this and that perk in particular for Yin users can be done away with. This still allows physical, spiritual, or energy techniques to be used to counter as well as fast ninjutsu such as body flicker to escape. So just like this Yin perk it leaves 2 options to get counter and probably some others if you really think about it. This, like the Yin perk, also provides an actual helping usage to the fields Yang tends to affect the most
While I find the Passive Yin chakra stealing without even the use of a technique to be completely wild, it counters nicely with the Yang chakra boost.
Anyway, thanks for coming to my Ted Talk. I may do one for updating the NB 7 swordsman things if I get good feedback from this. Those swords used to be something heavily coveted and sought after, now theyre weaker than most CJ's and it appears no one wants to dedicate a whopping 45 minutes to and hour to update those either
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