Yin seal counters Gentle Fist (Revised)

[RedRobin]

Basically this, but awesome thread though

Even if that is true, the chakra is still being tansfered through the seal writing all over their bodies, I already proved gentle fist does not destroy that.

 

[BLAZE]

why this much paws
who treated hinata after she was injured by neji's gentle fist
medic nins
they have counter to it

 

[RedRobin]

why this much paws
who treated hinata after she was injured by neji's gentle fist
medic nins
they have counter to it

lol its NB, this thread wont even be enough to some people.

 

[Jarex]

Nice analysis but no need for that.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

So you're reposting your counter to my posts which I already proved wrong? First of all, you're wrong about closing chakra points.

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You close them by pressing them, not through chakra. Charka is just an extra. I'll be quoting my previous post that already disproved this argument.

ROTFL! I had no idea that this was what you were talking about! This is even easier to refute!

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"Size of a needle." 64 palms is a precision attack focused on multiple parts of the body in rapid succession. The seal wasn't even the target for this attack.

Let me ask you something paws. Pretend I have a gun. I shoot your chest. The bullet hits your heart. Now, since your lung is also in your chest, did I shoot your lung?

There's even more ways to counter your argument if I'm pressed.


Kurama's chakra has been cut off from him before by Kabuto. Kabuto is a medical ninja who knows anatomy by memory while Hyugas constantly see it, so this sort of thing can be replicated.

 

[Flash]

You have a very good knowledge on this, Sir

 

[Champ]

Yeah, I figured this out when Sakura wasn't effected by Madara rod.

 

[RedRobin]

So you're reposting your counter to my posts which I already proved wrong? First of all, you're wrong about closing chakra points.

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You close them by pressing them, not through chakra. Charka is just an extra. I'll be quoting my previous post that already disproved this argument.







There's even more ways to counter your argument if I'm pressed.


Kurama's chakra has been cut off from him before by Kabuto. Kabuto is a medical ninja who knows anatomy by memory while Hyugas constantly see it, so this sort of thing can be replicated.

Oh so its even more obvious how kuruma's chakra did it. Because it can heal, if the point is just pushed in then it needs to be healed, which the yin seal can accomplish.

Stop bringing up that arguement, because it makes no sense.

Also this thread has other things other than the points that proves why its still right, so I am still right.

 

[Akasuna]

I have revised my old thread on this matter.

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Naruto's Situation:

Naruto was able to recover from gentle fist, using Kuruma's chakra. Gentle fist works by inserting one's chakra into the chakra point, Kuruma's chakra must have overpowered Neji's tiny bit of chakra and opened the point since Kuruma's chakra reserve is so large, enough of it was able to push it open.

Another way it may have opened was because Kuruma's chakra heals. If the points needs to be healed like a cut to open then that is what happened.

You cant just say Kuruma's chakra just opened the points because it did, there has to be a reason.

Yin seal situation:

The yin seal reserve is much larger than the the body's regular reserve. So when released, tons of chakra will overpower the tiny bit in place to open the point.

Or if it does not work that way then creation birth which is used to heal, will heal the points the same way Kuruma's chakra heals.

The yin seal exists outside the chakra network, meaning their is no point for it on the network.

- Hinata had her points closed, her organs were damaged and must have been healed using mystical palm but for mystical palm to work, her points have to be opened to allow chakra in, so the medic's chakra have to have overpowered the tiny bit of Neji's chakra put in.

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Yin seal markings:​

Yin seal is a seal obviously but do any of you remember when Kakashi sealed Sasuke's curse mark? Well the markings moved to seal the curse mark, then the markings must allow chakra flow.

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Another point is Orochimaru's curse mark. Seal writing would appear all over the body, meaning the chakra is coming from the seal and does not have to with the chakra network.

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When released, seal markings cover all over her body and they must allow chakra flow. So if the seal doesnt open the points then the markings will just allow for chakra flow.This makes perfect sense since if your are trying to heal a giant wound you are going to need more chakra than your tenkestu can carry so the markings allow for more chakra flow.

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The seal does not need hand signs:​

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Tsunade and Sakura have released their seals without hand signs. Meaning if their points are closed they can still release the seal.

Gentle fist can't just destroy the seal:​

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Neji had hit the chakra points on the Naruto's stomach many times, as we know of gentle fist, it does not only target the chakra point itself but the organs and area around it. If it was true gentle fist could destroy seals then Naruto's seal would have bee broken.

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I have provided sufficient evidence to show that the yin seal does infact counter gentle fist. Hopefully this stops certain debates that are happening still.

Naruto was able to recover from gentle fist, using Kuruma's chakra. Gentle fist works by inserting one's chakra into the chakra point, Kuruma's chakra must have overpowered Neji's tiny bit of chakra and opened the point since Kuruma's chakra reserve is so large, enough of it was able to push it open.

Another way it may have opened was because Kuruma's chakra heals. If the points needs to be healed like a cut to open then that is what happened.

You cant just say Kuruma's chakra just opened the points because it did, there has to be a reason.

Completely different scenario. Kurama was an external source of chakra, an external being in itself. It forced its chakra through the seal by itself because its Tenketsu - if it has any - weren't closed.

The yin seal reserve is much larger than the the body's regular reserve. So when released, tons of chakra will overpower the tiny bit in place to open the point.

Or if it does not work that way then creation birth which is used to heal, will heal the points the same way Kuruma's chakra heals.


The yin seal exists outside the chakra network, meaning their is no point for it on the network.


- Hinata had her points closed, her organs were damaged and must have been healed using mystical palm but for mystical palm to work, her points have to be opened to allow chakra in, so the medic's chakra have to have overpowered the tiny bit of Neji's chakra put in.

As I just said, Kurama's chakra was a completely different scenario. Tsunade requires her own chakra to activate Byakugo, just as she requires chakra to transmit it.

And what? Where was it said that Shōsen reopened her chakra points?

The rest of your post is essentially the same as what I just countered. Yin Seal can't be opened if the user can't use their own chakra.

 

[RedRobin]

Completely different scenario. Kurama was an external source of chakra, an external being in itself. It forced its chakra through the seal by itself because its Tenketsu - if it has any - weren't closed.



As I just said, Kurama's chakra was a completely different scenario. Tsunade requires her own chakra to activate Byakugo, just as she requires chakra to transmit it.

And what? Where was it said that Shōsen reopened her chakra points?

The rest of your post is essentially the same as what I just countered. Yin Seal can't be opened if the user can't use their own chakra.

Yin seal is the same thing, its an external chakra source different from the body's reserve. It will force its way through if that is what Naruto's other reserve did as well.

They do not need hand signs to release the seal, the seal is an external source of chakra. It cannot be shut down, they can activate it even if their points are closed. The seal writing will transmit the chakra, her points do not need to be opened.

 

[FemmeFatale]

Only the fan girls who claim Neji beats Tsunade think this falso.

 

[To Whatever]

Sakura and Tsunade do not have Kurama. Why are people still using that argument and handing feats out?

It's speculation on both sides either way.

 

[RedRobin]

Sakura and Tsunade do not have Kurama. Why are people still using that argument and handing feats out?

It's speculation on both sides either way.

Never did I say that. Either way even if the seal doesnt open the points, the seal writing still carries chakra. The seal can still be opened even if the points are closed so it still counters gentle fist anyway.

 

[To Whatever]

Never did I say that. Either way even if the seal doesnt open the points, the seal writing still carries chakra. The seal can still be opened even if the points are closed so it still counters gentle fist anyway.

Um, if the points are closed, it's restricting chakra from reaching the rest of the body and circulating. If the seal were to be opened when the points are sealed, that would do more harm than good.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Who the heck revived this thread?

 

[RedRobin]

Um, if the points are closed, it's restricting chakra from reaching the rest of the body and circulating. If the seal were to be opened when the points are sealed, that would do more harm than good.

But you cannot close off the seal. The seal will always be there to be opened whenever they need, the seal does not have a point on the tenkustu, its on its own. Its can have nothing to do with the points since the chakra will be flowing through the writing. They can activate it without hand signs.

 

[ShiroT]

Never did I say that. Either way even if the seal doesnt open the points, the seal writing still carries chakra. The seal can still be opened even if the points are closed so it still counters gentle fist anyway.

you have yet to counter some key arguments.

1. after your points are closed YOUR chakra can no longer travel throughout your body
2. the yin seal need chakra to activate.
3. if seal is activated refer to point one as this is still your chakra and your body can no longer circulate your chakra

counter these

 

[RedRobin]

you have yet to counter some key arguments.

1. after your points are closed YOUR chakra can no longer travel throughout your body
2. the yin seal need chakra to activate.
3. if seal is activated refer to point one as this is still your chakra and your body can no longer circulate your chakra

counter these

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Yin seal markings:​

Yin seal is a seal obviously but do any of you remember when Kakashi sealed Sasuke's curse mark? Well the markings moved to seal the curse mark, then the markings must allow chakra flow.

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Another point is Orochimaru's curse mark. Seal writing would appear all over the body, meaning the chakra is coming from the seal and does not have to with the chakra network.

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When released, seal markings cover all over her body and they must allow chakra flow. So if the seal doesnt open the points then the markings will just allow for chakra flow.This makes perfect sense since if your are trying to heal a giant wound you are going to need more chakra than your tenkestu can carry so the markings allow for more chakra flow.

Chakra will be coming straight from the seal with the writing as the medium.

 

[To Whatever]

But you cannot close off the seal. The seal will always be there to be opened whenever they need, the seal does not have a point on the tenkustu, its on its own. Its can have nothing to do with the points since the chakra will be flowing through the writing. They can activate it without hand signs.

The chakra isn't just flowing through just the seal, it's throughout the entire body.

You're also assuming that the Curse Mark, another outside chakra source, like Kurama, works just like Tsunade's and Sakura's seal.

 

[Xāvî1]

Whats your Point

his point is sakura is a better fighter then byakugan users!!