[YY] Yin for the Win

[Lili-Chwan]

Isabella appears blind in front of her son. For a moment, she stands in silence. Then she's startled

Oh, you're here. Didn't see you coming.

 

[Reborn]

"You were cuter with your eyes. Go reflect on your life for a week. I'll be back then."

 

[Lili-Chwan]

"You were cuter with your eyes. Go reflect on your life for a week. I'll be back then."

Boy if you don't come back here this instance you'll know the wrath of satan.

 

[Reborn]

Boy if you don't come back here this instance you'll know the wrath of satan.

Daemon is currently in his feelings because of Johnny Rain so I'm not worried. See you in a week okasan

 

[Lili-Chwan]

Daemon is currently in his feelings because of Johnny Rain so I'm not worried. See you in a week okasan

Fine >_>

 

[Reborn]

Alright, so if you were any other person I'd have my patronizing lectures at the ready and take you through the laborious process of understanding what Yin and Yang are and then figure out a way to teach you all of the jutsu. However, you're general competency in this area is already as good, if not better, than my own so it would sort of be tedious for you to go through all of this.

I was thinking for this training, rather than a lecture we'd discuss the current state of Yin and work on expanding it since those Yang, elitist bastards are afraid of the potential of Yin, hence the restriction on what Yin is and is not capable of within the confines of the RP. Would you be interested in that or do you want to experience my style of unorthodox orthodox training?

 

[Lili-Chwan]

I'd be interested in that, how should we start?

 

[Reborn]

We'll start by discussing what Yin is and what it is capable of.

Broadly speaking, Yin is the spiritual half of everything that exists. In regard to canon it is associated with genjutsu, creation (in regard to ninjutsu), the mind, spirit, etc. Its roots are founded in the Daoist notions of duality; cold, darkness, female, spirit, north, negation, passive, pull, sinister/evil. For the most part Naruto canon adheres to the Daoist notions of Yin-Yang with the exception of a few examples we'll get into later.

Since I fancy eastern philosophy (specifically Dao and Zen) I asserted myself sometime after I was modded into the YY project that Scorps was working on. There were holes and misconceptions about the natures of the skill because of the ambiguity of the nature at the time in the series. It was re-worked like 4 times; first with Scorps and myself, then just me when Scorps went on the hiatus. LoK gave input at times given that he was the only other member of the staff other than myself that had YY and had an understanding of Dao outside the canon. When Scorps came back he got everything into approval territory and we ended up where we are now.

What I've been doing as far as Yin is concerned is emphasizing the nature of absorption. Feeding off of another, pulling from energy, draining life, those are qualities seen within the canon like with Tayuya's "Revolt of the Demon World" technique. However you and I both know that Yin much more potential than just absorption and chakra draining. Yang and taijutsu fanatics preach its superiority over Yin, which currently is true. However the only reason this is true is because Yang is nowhere near as heavily restricted as Yin is. Yin's raw potential is locked away where as Yang and taijutsu are basically tapped out. There is not much else we can do rn with Yang beside +XX damage, ?x speed boost/track boost, durability, etc. Perks for tai have been fleshed out but there exist no real perks for the spiritual half of things nor are there really any boosts for our techniques because any quantifiable increase in affect would bring us into power playing range.

Before I go into my possible solutions, I'd like to hear what you think about this and if you have anything in mind you'd like to try out for potential skills/abilities/techniques.

 

[Lili-Chwan]

It's the same problem we had when we came up with NB Gen, so those are the same suggestions I'll give. Increased Range, Less Chakra Costly, Stronger more latching Genjutsu. Something that could also be interesting would be to explore the idea of Emotion Manipulation, like I tried with the Ganmi, but that's harder to pull.

I think we can have a good fun with the Absorption Part, I imagine techniques to absorb Chakra, Energy and even Vitality from someone. The idea of pulling my hand up to someone's thigh and it just wimpers down, wrinkles and shrinks like a raising as the years seemingly pass.

The idea of reversing the properties of the elements is also amazing. Either go at it with Gen, a sort of quasi-Kurama Clan technique, or go with Ninjutsu, actually reverting Elements and base our fightning style, and boosts, into the idea of fightning with creativity and smartness.

 

[Reborn]

It's the same problem we had when we came up with NB Gen, so those are the same suggestions I'll give. Increased Range, Less Chakra Costly, Stronger more latching Genjutsu. Something that could also be interesting would be to explore the idea of Emotion Manipulation, like I tried with the Ganmi, but that's harder to pull.

I think we can have a good fun with the Absorption Part, I imagine techniques to absorb Chakra, Energy and even Vitality from someone. The idea of pulling my hand up to someone's thigh and it just wimpers down, wrinkles and shrinks like a raising as the years seemingly pass.

The idea of reversing the properties of the elements is also amazing. Either go at it with Gen, a sort of quasi-Kurama Clan technique, or go with Ninjutsu, actually reverting Elements and base our fightning style, and boosts, into the idea of fightning with creativity and smartness.

My only gripe with crossing some of the territory with NB Gen is the whole debacle that happened when Scorps originally put it out and there was a huge lash out by the community. There are a few unexplored canon techniques in the series, however, that we could add to explore more manipulative properties. Emotion manipulation would be a nice thing to try. We've already talked a bit (at least in regard to Yin-Yang Mode) about how we can explore some abilities. That will at least open some doors for general genjutsu capabilities.

We can do some limited experimentation with Kurama-esque abilities, I just don't want to cross that threshold where we negate the clan's significance for the few that actually use it. At the moment, there are really only 4 techniques for Yin and there are more incoming. I'll start you off with one to hold you off for a while just so you have something. Is there a technique in particular that you'd like to learn first?

 

[Lili-Chwan]

Nope, I like all of them Except the Hungry Ghost and the Dragon Hungry Ghost. I guess I like half of them xD

 

[Reborn]

Why only half?

I'll give you the genjutsu first then.

(Inton: Gogyou Gen) - Yin Release: 5 Elements Illusion

Spoiler

Type: Supplementary
Rank: S
Range: N/A
Chakra Cost: N/A (+50)
Damage: N/A
Description: This technique allows the user to combine their elemental chakra with Yin Release in order to create stronger, more potent genjutsu. When the user casts a genjutsu, rather than using their raw chakra they will use one of the basic elemental natures, thus increasing the potency of the jutsu. The jutsu increases in strength by one rank and due to the massive amount of chakra used, the jutsu can penetrate through any deterrent against genjutsu. By using nature chakra rather than raw chakra, the properties of the genjutsu change in accordance to that nature and become stronger. For example, using Crushing Snake Constriction with Fire Release chakra would make the snakes appear, feel, and sound as though they were on fire. As well, the technique would follow the rules of elemental genjutsu. The user is free to alter the effects of a genjutsu within reason as long as the primary effects remain the same.
Note: Can only be used 5 times per battle.
Note: Cannot be used on techniques above S-rank.
Note: Yin Release masters can use advanced elements and CE

How would you use and abuse?

 

[Lili-Chwan]

Why only half?

I'll give you the genjutsu first then.

(Inton: Gogyou Gen) - Yin Release: 5 Elements Illusion

Spoiler

Type: Supplementary
Rank: S
Range: N/A
Chakra Cost: N/A (+50)
Damage: N/A
Description: This technique allows the user to combine their elemental chakra with Yin Release in order to create stronger, more potent genjutsu. When the user casts a genjutsu, rather than using their raw chakra they will use one of the basic elemental natures, thus increasing the potency of the jutsu. The jutsu increases in strength by one rank and due to the massive amount of chakra used, the jutsu can penetrate through any deterrent against genjutsu. By using nature chakra rather than raw chakra, the properties of the genjutsu change in accordance to that nature and become stronger. For example, using Crushing Snake Constriction with Fire Release chakra would make the snakes appear, feel, and sound as though they were on fire. As well, the technique would follow the rules of elemental genjutsu. The user is free to alter the effects of a genjutsu within reason as long as the primary effects remain the same.
Note: Can only be used 5 times per battle.
Note: Cannot be used on techniques above S-rank.
Note: Yin Release masters can use advanced elements and CE

How would you use and abuse?

The Hungry Ghosts are awfull. They too chakra costly for techniques that have been here in Water Release for ages. I find very little usage for a technique that wastes 50 chakra when all it does is cut the power of my opponent's techniques by one rank. its not chakra efficient and the only thing that it does it give out elemental neutrality or superiority. The dragons are better, but still they have the same sub-par mechanism behind it. The absorption part of Yin could and should be better developped, to make it fit with the marvel that are the other two techniques.

Speaking of,

Love this Genjutsu, almost as much as I love the ability to make the elements bend to my will and reverse their properties. What both of these give is freedom to let my creativity flow, and that is why I love it so. This technique not only "strengthens" my genjutsu, giving it other elementary properties when in combat with dispelling methods, but, and that is what I like the most, allows me to layer in even more meanings and dualities into the illusions I cast. This has the same effect as my own Carrion Illusion technique, and everyone knows how I pushed those into torture beyond believe.

Every element has it's own particularities and diversions. Fire is Heat, Light, Smoke, Ash, Black, Grey, White, Colour, Rainbow, Warmth, Pain, Hell, Punishment, Comfort, Food, Scent, etc. All of those can be added to a Genjutsu of my own choosing making even the Snakes from Crushing Snake Constriction feel like a warmth embrace of a mother before the crackling fireplace of Christmas, festive in their red and green glistening and flaming scales. I'm feeling festive and I've added only Fire to the Genjutsu. The possibilities are endless.

 

[Reborn]

That's a result of Scorps and Chris maintaining the idea of Yin and Yang techniques needing to be incredibly costly. Even the 5 element's technique costs +50 to whatever genjutsu you use. D-ranks become F-rank in cost at the barest minimum. Do you have any suggestions as to how to make these techniques more cost effective?

On the note of the genjutsu, as I was reading your reply I came up with a useful method of crossing. There is nothing limiting genjutsu layering and using multiple elements in different layers. Such a layer would be costly chakra wise but it puts opponents in an incredibly precarious situation if you can cast more than one technique.

I get where you're coming from but your scope of manipulation has to remain within a reasonable realm. The base affects of genjutsu will still occur, you cannot really try to mask them or hide them more than they'd normally be hidden if cast without this technique's augmentation.

Let's use a blank template, somebody is standing before you and you Crushing Snake Constriction with this technique, how would this new altered genjutsu affect your opponent?

 

[Lili-Chwan]

I'll think of something on that.

I don't understand your comments.

 

[Reborn]

I'll think of something on that.

I don't understand your comments.

Which comments in particular; The ones regarding the scope of manipulation this technique allows or asking for an example?

 

[Lili-Chwan]

Which comments in particular; The ones regarding the scope of manipulation this technique allows or asking for an example?

Both.

 

[Reborn]

You're the difficult one...

Snakes from Crushing Snake Constriction feel like a warmth embrace of a mother before the crackling fireplace of Christmas, festive in their red and green glistening and flaming scales. I'm feeling festive and I've added only Fire to the Genjutsu. The possibilities are endless.

Just make sure you don't try to do too much just by adding an element to the nature of the genjutsu. I mean, quite frankly, you or I could do something with genjutsu and probably get away with it uncontested and unchallenged whether it's correct or not. We could probably bs some logic to make it a standard, I digress.

Don't worry about the rest.

Staying on the topic of genjutsu, how up to date are you with the archive of genjutsu on the Naruto Wiki. I'm constructing some of them to add to the standard list and I wanted to know how aware you are of them. I'm going to have you help me make them as part of your training.

 

[Lili-Chwan]

You're the difficult one...



Just make sure you don't try to do too much just by adding an element to the nature of the genjutsu. I mean, quite frankly, you or I could do something with genjutsu and probably get away with it uncontested and unchallenged whether it's correct or not. We could probably bs some logic to make it a standard, I digress.

Don't worry about the rest.

Staying on the topic of genjutsu, how up to date are you with the archive of genjutsu on the Naruto Wiki. I'm constructing some of them to add to the standard list and I wanted to know how aware you are of them. I'm going to have you help me make them as part of your training.

If you mean the Anime + Movies, I'm completely out of date. If you you mean the Jutsu List, i'm relatively up to date and can study further. But can I still go about helping and discussing with you about new ones to add.

 

[Reborn]

Go and Wiki the following:

Spoken Word Genjutsu

Soulbane

Jibakugan

Those are three genjutsu I want to implement in the general jutsu list since they do not require kekkei genkai. Tell me what your thoughts are on those.