Yhwach vs Hogyoku Aizen

[Forbidden Tale]

It's a tie. Unless Juha Bach can seal Aizen by his own

Aizen is immortal and he'll keep on evolving until he's past the immortal stage.

Immortallity is not part of power level.

Also, Hogyoku could reject Aizen any time.

 

[Zealotic]

no this is not true at all. ichibei cannot solo either of these too people, especially dangai ichigo ichigo. people still don't understand just how powerfull these too individuals were. they had transcended the boundaries of shinigami and hollow. there power could no longer be compared to where unless aizen purposely lowered his reiatsu, they wouldn't be able to feel their power. ichigo was even more powerful than that. aizen evolved another time in their fight and he still couldn't feel ichigo's reiatsu. nothing ichibe does would have any effect on them.

Im pretty sure Kubo dropped that cause he hasn't mentioned that since and besides the 0 squad wasn't mentioned before there power >= all of the soul society

It's a tie. Unless Juha Bach can seal Aizen by his own

Aizen is immortal and he'll keep on evolving until he's past the immortal stage.

Nothing aizen could do could ever hurt Yhwach so it will be a stalemate due to immortality or Ywach will find a way to bypass this. However aizen sword was destroyed his only hope would be to try to trick his senses

 

[Lightbringer]

Yhwach wrecks Aizen.

Not only does he possess all of the sternritter abilities which are haxxed, but he also possesses the ability to see into the future and formulate a strategy to counter the enemies power ahead of time.

Yhwach planned on Aizen planning.

 

[aimop95]

And then it's all part of azien's plan!

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Immortallity is not part of power level.

Also, Hogyoku could reject Aizen any time.

That was an asspull. For battle purpose we should assume no PIS would not happen. Otherwise Black Zetsu beats Madara.

What has powerlevel got to do with Aizen's immortality? FGT Ichigo had higher power level, he still couldn't kill Aizen.

 

[Ultimateone]

Aizen was still transcedent at the time when Gin attacked him.

Ichigo "negated" kido, but Ichigo's arm was also hurt by Aizen's fraggor. Aizen as you said was below Ichigo, but still was able to hurt him.

yes, i realize that he was still considered "transcended" but he was still in the middle of his evolution, and could still be affected by those kind of attacks.

ichigo's arm was visibly burnt by the attack, yes. aizen thought he couldn't use this arm anymore, but he was wrong. remember though, this is after aizen evolved again. also remember, i never said the attacks wouldn't have any kind of affect on them, just not the same affect. where as yama's attacks would normally just erase people, it wouldn't do that to ichigo. remember, yama's ability wasn't to erase things, it was fire which burned so hot that that was the affect it had on people. but FGT ichigo being so powerful, would not be effected in the same way. if yama's not gonna get the one hit KO, which his bankai would usually have, he will just be outclassed in every way possible. same goes for ichibe.

Im pretty sure Kubo dropped that cause he hasn't mentioned that since and besides the 0 squad wasn't mentioned before there power >= all of the soul society

it wasn't that long ago that it was mentioned manga wise if you think about it. ichigo's whole existence is based on that concept. when ichigo got his real zanpakuto, fake zangetsu told him that he had only been using a fraction of his ability. which is the part he wasn't able to suppress. so that is very much still in effect. if it wasn't, it would make a whole portion of an arc retconned, which would make zero sense, and everything about ichigo would have to be changed.

 

[Zealotic]

Yhwach wrecks Aizen.

Not only does he possess all of the sternritter abilities which are haxxed, but he also possesses the ability to see into the future and formulate a strategy to counter the enemies power ahead of time.

Yhwach planned on Aizen planning.

Was it confirmed that Yhwach could do everyone of the SR abilities or that they just increase his own abilities?

it wasn't that long ago that it was mentioned manga wise if you think about it. ichigo's whole existence is based on that concept. when ichigo got his real zanpakuto, fake zangetsu told him that he had only been using a fraction of his ability. which is the part he wasn't able to suppress. so that is very much still in effect. if it wasn't, it would make a whole portion of an arc retconned, which would make zero sense, and everything about ichigo would have to be changed.

Kubo has to be more specific I guess maybe that will come into play again

 

[TRE MERCER]

Why is HG Aizen still being compared to 5below opponents? Ichibei is easily the strongest 0 division-er and he was negged once Ywach opened his eyes... HG Aizen with his Shikai abilities still gets negged...

 

[Forbidden Tale]

That was an asspull. For battle purpose we should assume no PIS would not happen. Otherwise Black Zetsu beats Madara.

What has powerlevel got to do with Aizen's immortality? FGT Ichigo had higher power level, he still couldn't kill Aizen.

Ichigo defeated Aizen and that's a fact. Hogyoku rejected Aizen in their battle.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

yes, i realize that he was still considered "transcended" but he was still in the middle of his evolution, and could still be affected by those kind of attacks.

ichigo's arm was visibly burnt by the attack, yes. aizen thought he couldn't use this arm anymore, but he was wrong. remember though, this is after aizen evolved again. also remember, i never said the attacks wouldn't have any kind of affect on them, just not the same affect. where as yama's attacks would normally just erase people, it wouldn't do that to ichigo. remember, yama's ability wasn't to erase things, it was fire which burned so hot that that was the affect it had on people. but FGT ichigo being so powerful, would not be effected in the same way. if yama's not gonna get the one hit KO, which his bankai would usually have, he will just be outclassed in every way possible. same goes for ichibe.

By Aizen's definition of transcedent, once he entered it, he is high that ordinary characters can't hit him. But it was proven wrong multiple times in just around 10 chapters.

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Wrong is key word. Everything Aizen stated was proven wrong, which make his stataments about transcedent so vague.
- Claiming that he transcedent both Hollows and Shinigamis, Gin was able to heavly damage him with ordinary bankai. AIzen would be even dead if he only had transcedent reiatsu.
- Claiming that he is now for sure highest being, than Ichigo comes and prove him wrong.
- Claiming that lower beings can't defeat highest beings, this was proven wrong in Gin's example and also when he was able to hurt Ichigo's arm. Ichigo's arm was still useful, but it had wounds on it, which by Aizen's definition shouldn't have.
- Claiming that he finally surpassed Ichigo, but Ichigo uses Mugetsu and prove him wrong again.
- Claiming that when Ichigo lose his powers he will be only one at the top, but at this time kido starting to take effect.
- Believing that Hogyoku will save him, but he was again wrong.

And all this happen in around 10 chapters.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Ichigo defeated Aizen and that's a fact. Hogyoku rejected Aizen in their battle.

Hogyoku rejecting Aizen was asspull. There is no proof that it would reject Aizen every single time when he fights beings with higher spiritual pressure

Does Juha Bach have any sealing tech? Otherwise Aizen can regen and evolve after every round of beating

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Hogyoku rejecting Aizen was asspull. There is no proof that it would reject Aizen every single time when he fights beings with higher spiritual pressure

Does Juha Bach have any sealing tech? Otherwise Aizen can regen and evolve after every round of beating

How was that asspull? Yes, Yhwach is The Almighty, Aizen don't stand a chance.

 

[Glad Of War]

Ichigo defeated Aizen and that's a fact. Hogyoku rejected Aizen in their battle.

Lel Nope.. If Urahara hadn't use Kido to seal Aizen, Ichigo would had been dead.
And also, Ichigo also went further and said Aizen actually wanted to be sealed can't remember the exact word precisely.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Lel Nope.. If Urahara hadn't use Kido to seal Aizen, Ichigo would had been dead.
And also, Ichigo also went further and said Aizen actually wanted to be sealed can't remember the exact word precisely.

That didn't refer to him being sealed but to Hogyoku rejecting him.

Ichigo said that AIzen deep in himself wanted to be just ordinary shinigami and not some guy with hell broken powers. That's why Hogyoku rejected him. That's my argument.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Hogyoku Aizen trumps in power, however, Ywach wins because of his bullshit ability to be immune to any power he understands and his weird prediction/foresight

 

[OaklandBlades]

Ywach wins potentially without his eyes open. No real debate here.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Ywach wins potentially without his eyes open. No real debate here.

Smart man...

 

[bashkim]

Guys what are you talking ? Yammato beat Yawah 1000 years ago. Dangai Ichigo and Aizen with the Hogyoku were above Yammato.

 

[Lightbringer]

Was it confirmed that Yhwach could do everyone of the SR abilities or that they just increase his own abilities?

I believe it has. Manga stated Yhwach absorbs all talents and powers from those he shared his soul with.

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[Forbidden Tale]

Guys what are you talking ? Yammato beat Yawah 1000 years ago. Dangai Ichigo and Aizen with the Hogyoku were above Yammato.

1. While it's likely that Yamamoto defeated Yhwach, 1000 years ago, there is no proof that he did that.
2. I respectfully disagree with Aizen or Ichigo being stronger than Yamamoto.