Yata Mirror is unbreakable.

[pateuvasiliu]

No that's your opinion not fact. I wanted real proof from either the Manga or the data book. Yata hasn't only blocked Nature transformations, it blocked exploding Kunai and Sasuke's sword which both have no Nature affinity which instantly proves that your opinion about Yata Mirror only blocking Nature affinities are wrong.

Nah, it does not.

Yata does not block only nature transformations. It's wielded by Susanoo, after all. Susanoo can easily tank these attacks.

 

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Nah, it does not.

Yata does not block only nature transformations. It's wielded by Susanoo, after all. Susanoo can easily tank these attacks.

So you're saying I'm right that Yata Mirror doesn't only block Nature affinity type attacks?

 

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I can't be bothered to read this entire thread so I'm going to post something I posted in another thread


The first scenario is self-explanatory and simple (following Occam's razor, it is the one I believe).
The second scenario implies that A) Itachi risked his entire plan at the last moment by not summoning the mirror and that would make him an idiot, something Itachi definitely isn't or B) Itachi summoned the mirror, then dispelled the entire susanoo, got rid of his akatsuki robe, dropped to the floor and then stood back up to summon susanoo, again.

And, finally, Itachi wasn't able to counter Chibaku Tensei, mirror nowithstanding, he had to attack it directly and with Naruto and Bee's help.

I've explained Chibaku Tensei already and he did use Skeleton Susano'o, it was a close up of Itachi, he never deactivated Susano'o at all.

 

[KidGamer65]

Nah, it does not.

Yata does not block only nature transformations. It's wielded by Susanoo, after all. Susanoo can easily tank these attacks.

Except the attacks never touched Susanoo. The Mirror repelled them all by itself so it only blocking elemental natures is false, otherwise it wouldn't have been able to block the Kunai explosion or Sasuke's sword.

 

[phylos]

I've explained Chibaku Tensei already and he did use Skeleton Susano'o, it was a close up of Itachi, he never deactivated Susano'o at all.

Sorry to disappoint you but no:

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There's no Susanoo there.

If this is how you "explained" Chibaku Tensei then I don't believe that either.

 

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Sorry to disappoint you but no:

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There's no Susanoo there.

If this is how you "explained" Chibaku Tensei then I don't believe that either.

Defiantly not how I explained Chibaku Tensei... I was saying Skeleton Susano'o blocked Kirin, Yata Mirror wasn't even being used at that point.

Edit: Itachi said his final trick up his sleeve was Susano'o as it was used to block Kirin, if he used Yata Mirror he would have said that instead.

Second edit: Seeing as Yata Mirror can block all attacks, it would be more likely that he used Skeleton Susano'o it go destroy by Kirin and protected Itachi enough for him to not die and then in case Sasuke still ad era tricks "up his sleeve" as Itachi asked, he then pulled out Yata Mirror just in case.

 

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Except the attacks never touched Susanoo. The Mirror repelled them all by itself so it only blocking elemental natures is false, otherwise it wouldn't have been able to block the Kunai explosion or Sasuke's sword.

Well at least someone else thinks like that as well.

 

[phylos]

Defiantly not how I explained Chibaku Tensei... I was saying Skeleton Susano'o blocked Kirin, Yata Mirror wasn't even being used at that point.

No, you don't get to push your speculation as a fact: we don't know what stage of Susanoo blocked Kirin and that's where the two scenarios I mentioned come into play.
The scenario you're defending, tho, is the one implying that Itachi faced a large-scale attack of which he had absolutely no info (and that wasn't even made of chakra so it wasn't the average jutsu) with only the basic form of Susanoo. What you're saying is that he risked the skeleton not being enough and him being obliterated, which wasn't what he had planned for that battle. In few words: the scenario you're defending implies an Itachi who is stupidly reckless and Itachi was anything but.
It makes much more sense from him to defend himself against such attack with his strongest defence, better safe than sorry. Specially taking in account that, immediately after the attack, he once again summoned the complete Susanoo, perhaps in fear of Sasuke pulling off a similar attack or just another kirin.

 

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No, you don't get to push your speculation as a fact: we don't know what stage of Susanoo blocked Kirin and that's where the two scenarios I mentioned come into play.
The scenario you're defending, tho, is the one implying that Itachi faced a large-scale attack of which he had absolutely no info (and that wasn't even made of chakra so it wasn't the average jutsu) with only the basic form of Susanoo. What you're saying is that he risked the skeleton not being enough and him being obliterated, which wasn't what he had planned for that battle. In few words: the scenario you're defending implies an Itachi who is stupidly reckless and Itachi was anything but.
It makes much more sense from him to defend himself against such attack with his strongest defence, better safe than sorry. Specially taking in account that, immediately after the attack, he once again summoned the complete Susanoo, perhaps in fear of Sasuke pulling off a similar attack or just another kirin.

Still why would Zetsu after seeing Yata Mirror get destroyed say "It blocks any attacks" and "It's reversing all of Sasuke's attacks". If Sasuke broke through Yata Mirror with Kirin, Zetsu wouldn't say all of Sasuke's attacks are being reversed. That would imply Kirin was as well reversed by Yata Mirror but as Susano'o wasn't there and Itachi was injured it shows he didn't block it with Yata Mirror, maybe the lightning was too fast and so he couldn't activate a full Susano'o equipping Yata Mirror in time?

 

[phylos]

Still why would Zetsu after seeing Yata Mirror get destroyed say "It blocks any attacks" and "It's reversing all of Sasuke's attacks". If Sasuke broke through Yata Mirror with Kirin, Zetsu wouldn't say all of Sasuke's attacks are being reversed. That would imply Kirin was as well reversed by Yata Mirror but as Susano'o wasn't there and Itachi was injured it shows he didn't block it with Yata Mirror, maybe the lightning was too fast and so he couldn't activate a full Susano'o equipping Yata Mirror in time?

Well, in every other instance of him using it, Itachi was able to summon different stages of Susanoo indifferently which brings me to my next point.
Through Zetsu, Kishimoto tried to tell us about Itachi's Susanoo's abilities. But what he actually showed us (it being obliterated by Kirin) was something different. And I happen to agree with the "show, don't tell" guideline. What is showed holds more weight in a story than what is told.
The bottom line is that we're both actually speculating here and Kishimoto could have gone either way, perhaps we'll never know for sure.

 

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Well, in every other instance of him using it, Itachi was able to summon different stages of Susanoo indifferently which brings me to my next point.
Through Zetsu, Kishimoto tried to tell us about Itachi's Susanoo's abilities. But what he actually showed us (it being obliterated by Kirin) was something different. And I happen to agree with the "show, don't tell" guideline. What is showed holds more weight in a story than what is told.
The bottom line is that we're both actually speculating here and Kishimoto could have gone either way, perhaps we'll never know.

You saw Itachi forming the Susano'o that had the Yata Mirror, that Susano'o version and higher seems to take longer to form while stages below seem to activate fast, that's also another reason he might have only been able to activate Skeleton Susano'o...

 

[phylos]

You saw Itachi forming the Susano'o that had the Yata Mirror, that Susano'o version and higher seems to take longer to form while stages below seem to activate fast, that's also another reason he might have only been able to activate Skeleton Susano'o...

That "seems" there is the kicker, we don't know for sure. Sasuke was able to form the complete Susanoo instantly here:

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We don't actually know if Itachi had the same ability or if that could be just thanks to the EMS. I believe Itachi did given that his Susanoo was shown to be as strong as Sasuke's EMS's Susanoo, you could disagree and, again, maybe we'll never know.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Actually it does. Once Kamui starts warping the Yata Mirror, the Yata Mirror changes the attributes of Kamui itself, if it's no long Kamui then how can it warp? It doesn't mean Obito can't use it anymore but it only means the current Kamui attacking/warping the Yata Mirror will be changed.

Kamui isn't an attack, its transport.

 

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Kamui isn't an attack, its transport.

If Kamui was going to warp let's say half the Yata Mirror, it would be considered an attack, the Yata Mirror would then cancel Kamui out by changing it's own attributes into whatever cancels Kamui which seems to be Kamui itself.

If Kamui warps the entire Yata Mirror, it wouldn't be damaged but it would be warped.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

If Kamui was going to warp let's say half the Yata Mirror, it would be considered an attack, the Yata Mirror would then cancel Kamui out by changing it's own attributes into whatever cancels Kamui which seems to be Kamui itself.

If Kamui warps the entire Yata Mirror, it wouldn't be damaged but it would be warped.

In that situation. Maybe. I still think it's not since all its doing is transporting part of the shield. Then we would have to argue the intent of the user as to whether it's an attack or not but at the end of the day part of the the shield gets warped.

 

[phylos]

If Kamui were to warp just half of the yata mirror (or if a technique only destroyed a part of it), even if succeeded, the yata mirror would just reform itself anyways, it is a weapon that can change its visible form, with that ability I agree because it was shown. It's either destroying/warping all of it or nothing, methinks.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

If Kamui were to warp just half of the yata mirror (or if a technique only destroyed a part of it), even if succeeded, the yata mirror would just reform itself anyways, it is a weapon that can change its visible form, with that ability I agree because it was shown. It's either destroying all of it or nothing, methinks.

That's sounds more plausible. It being a spiritual weapon and all.

 

[Strawberry]

close to breakable i would say...

 

[sepfiroth]

rasengan can break it

 

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rasengan can break it

Yeah sure... and that's a crow clone in your signature, Minato's in a Genjutsu...