Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

[Q of the Sharingan]

Nice find on the changing shape thing. I never noticed that and actually argued against it before.

 

[VongolaX]

I don't know therefore...preta path... seems to always work for Nagato fans. :|

well it can't really, because of his offensive weapons, the sword and that sharingan looking disk. Lets not forget amatersu too

 

[Lentz]

What would happen if you attacked the strongest shield (Yata) with the strongest blade (Totsuka)?

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

I don't think Yata Mirror in itself is overrated - generally everyone knows that it's pretty much the closest defense to "invincible" in the series.

I think it's more of the fact that Itachi doesn't really have extraordinary chakra reserves to maintain Susano'o for extended periods of time in order to utilize Yata Mirror for a considerable amount of time. And Itachi has a fatal illness, so yeah.

That said, I do think there are possible counters to Yata Mirror. Just counters few ninja would be capable of executing.

What type of counters?

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

What would happen if you attack the strongest shield (Yata) with the strongest blade (Totsuka)?

The totsuke blade wouldn't be able to pierce the yata mirror.

 

[Owarij]

What would happen if you attack the strongest shield (Yata) with the strongest blade (Totsuka)?

Lawl, Unfortunately, totsuka doesn't have strongest blade hype, it just states it can seal anything it pierces .. but that doesn't mean it can pierce everything

its limit ? yet to be known what exactly that liquid thing can go through

 

[VongolaX]

Lawl, Unfortunately, totsuka doesn't have strongest blade hype, it just states it can seal anything it pierces .. but that doesn't mean it can pierce everything

its limit ? yet to be known what exactly that liquid thing can go through

well the raikage's hell stab might be stronger

 

[Phoenix of Chaos]

nice thread btw. really good points. I can see a lot of work and thought went into this.

 

[Forget Me Not]

What type of counters?

For starters, the Wood Clone technique.

Madara said he was the only one ever able to see through the technique, this is overwhelmingly attributed to his EMS abilities. With the technique he can effectively counter the Totsuka Blade, then in turn appear at a distant location from under the ground. This could perhaps give him entrance right into the blind spot of Susano'o - where Itachi himself is present.

I would show scans, but I feel all of this goes without saying. I'll be glad to provide scans if needed.

 

[Owarij]

distant location from under the ground.

Another overlooked ability ,
Susanno is also capable of phasing through earth and attacking someone


Also we don't know if yata mirror has any blindspots...Its been shown to change shape and size based on the incoming attack.. so what happens when an underground attack comes?

still a toss up

 

[ThomasJeffersonwasasadist]

nice find man I never noticed the shape changing thing.

 

[Owarij]

You should also note just how FAST the shape changing happens.. its practically instant... right before the bombs even exploded, yata mirror expanded in the blink of an eye

 

[sindi1997]

Awesome thread owarij man you have two sharp eyes
and i always enjoy your threads bro ***** thanked post and liked
The thread was enjoyable with evidence backed up however i belive even yata mirror has a limit like everything else despite it being a spirtial item Who know a tbb from the ten tails maybe idkn as for the shape transformation i always supported this theory after all we all know susanoo items grow look at madara s susanoo look at sasuke s ver 2 susanoo the one the items appear for the first time danzo fight and then look at the one with kakashi fight susanoo ver 3 it was clear from the very beggining bro but you know hater well they will hate as for people saying onoki using jinto to one hit itachi can someone please tell me how did madara handle to jinton users without ps can someone please tell me what does Ms madara without perfect susanoo has more than itachi i ll go as far as saying itachi has shown to be one of the fastest in the series in foot also in hand seals who do you think would be performed faster amaterasu or jinton heck itachi could simply even out speed them with a simple katon techique to block their line of sight let s not forget about shunshin agian as for the actuall thread awesome one full of evidence to support it i fully agree and as for the toska limit btw since its a spirtual item it can strech as long as it likes since it has no physical form bro so i don't think there is a limit to what toska can seal at least that s what you think who knows XD

 

[Dantee]

Itachi > Juubi.

 

[sindi1997]

Itachi > Juubi.

you said this cuz I said toska has no limit in sealing Right XD well Juubi is a huge chakra being i think all it has to do is kill itachi and cut the link between toska and the sealing jar as for how is he going to do that probably because even toska has a chakra sealing speed limit

 

[Dantee]

you said this cuz I said toska has no limit in sealing Right XD well Juubi is a huge chakra being i think all it has to do is kill itachi and cut the link between toska and the sealing jar as for how is he going to do that probably because even toska has a chakra sealing speed limit

How is he going to kill him while he's being sealed and he has the yata mirror.

 

[Prince Charles]

nice thread and where did you get those manga scans?

 

[Varrah]

Pure speculation, but these items were essentially residing in Itachi's Mangekyō Sharingan under the mechanism, Susano'o. Sasuke has since assimilated Itachi's ocular techniques, so these items may resurface in Sasuke's Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan, and if so, we may get to see their full capabilities.​

 

[Forget Me Not]

Another overlooked ability ,
Susanno is also capable of phasing through earth and attacking someone


Also we don't know if yata mirror has any blindspots...Its been shown to change shape and size based on the incoming attack.. so what happens when an underground attack comes?

still a toss up

Susano'o is able to phase through the ground. But that isn't the point. How is Itachi going to get under the ground amidst his attack? Also Susano'o typically has to be either in skeletal form (without the flesh) or a higher iteration in order to utilize the Mirror/Sword (to hold it). Madara was only able to phase under the ground due to the usage of the Wood Clone and the fact that his Susano's arm was only present, not the entire or partial manifestation like Madara's was when he used it against Tsunade (only the arm/rib cage was used).

You're also overlooking the main element that made Wood Clone so deadly - its unpredictability. Remember, Madara said only he was able to anticipate it. Would Itachi know to counter from under the ground? Would Itachi be able to detect it? Is Itachi's Susano'o able to even use the Yata Mirror while being underground?

I don't think it's very much of a toss up analyzing the mechanics of the respective techniques--in fact, if anything the odds are pretty much skewed in favor of Wood Clone.

 

[Forget Me Not]

nice thread and where did you get those manga scans?

This as well. I did not see some of these scans in the translation I read. Mind showing your sources, Owariji?