Yata and totsuka blade a little overrated imo....

[Nebula]

If someone is making a powerful attack then he can block it when it gets to him.
He blocked kirin which was the speed of lighting and unavoidable.
If it's a close range attack then why the **** would be use a shield?
Totsuka is to stab the target when they become off guard.

 

[Conspirator.]

It's not the weapons themselves, but Itachi who is overrated. His stamina means he can't maintain yata and totsuka for too long.

 

[FourthSmokage]

I always thought that it was the Yata Mirror - and not so much susano - that prevented Sasuke's Kirin from killing Itachi.

If thats true Yata wrecks

 

[Mrmojo8484]

What a dumb thread . Yata and totsuka are o.p. and the thread maker is a known itachi hater ! Anyway haters can say what they want manga said can block any attack period . Kirin attacked from above susanoo and was easily blocked. No proof it can't tank hits from any angle. Itachi doesn't even need susanoo for most people .

Lmao....im a known itachi hater because your stupid enough to fall for troll threads? Your pretty dunb bro...lmao.

As everyone has been saying, yata has no real feats.

By logic Yata=Black lightning.

But, Im giving it the benefit of the doubt. With that being said, im not going to let someone say yata has feats which we have nit physically seen.

As for kirin...your assuming yata took the full brunt of thethe attack. Lets not forget susanoo itself is hard to penetrate and tanked some if the strongest jutsu like the liger bomb, various enhanced wind attacks from Danzo and some kage level techs.

 

[FleeOnSight]

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You could easily beat Itachi's Susano'o by attacking under it.
If Nagato used Chibaku Tensei from underground and it rose up to hit Itachi inside Susano'o, he'd get sealed and die.​

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Someone with open eyes
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Thanks for this thread

You are by far my favorite Itachi fan.

The Yata Mirror has no feats. All it blocked was two paper bombs from Sasuke and a couple of snakes. By feats any attack penetrates it neg difficulty.

The Totsuka blade has a limited ranged and hitting a small moving target will not be easy at all. It also only seals things with a soul otherwise the snakes would have been sealed and not just decapitated. Why do I bring that up? Because some people have said the totsuka blade can seal Hashiramas wood jutsu because ''it seals whatever it pierces''

This this this!!!!!!

 

[Mellanoma]

This thread should be titled

Manga and Databook facts vs Personal opinions.

 

[blackstar9]

This thread should be titled

Manga and Databook facts vs Personal opinions.

Exactly ! Manga and databook facts say yata and totsuka are o.p. Im not an itachi fan . But kishi made itachi character o.p.

 

[TrollingSage]

All chakra came from the shinju. Fact. Even the shinju's tech, omyoudon has a weakness. Yata mirror will probably break if exposed to a really powerful attack. Juubidama gg.

 

[Chie]

Again...the snakes didn't try to dodge it. Oro went head up with susanoo. He didn't try to evade anything.

What speed feats have we seen or any form of hype talking about the blades speed? None. As far as im concerned, its equivalent to a fodder ninja swinging a regular blade unless you can prove other wise.

And can you link where you found this information about yata expanding?

Dont come in here giving Itachi bullshit feats without legit proof please.

Yeah. He wasn't exactly expecting the snakes to be cut off like that though.

My only point was that it isn't slow. It's as fast as the wielder, and Itachi can stab someone pretty fast with it. I wasn't saying that by some miracle the sword is magically fast, lol. Don't know where you got that from.

About Yata expanding...you don't pay attention to the databook and manga, do you?

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I don't think it can expand to provide 360 degree protection. Just the front and the sides. Probably not the back, it lacks feats/statements for that.

Why so offended? Itachi is just a drawing. That and the thread you made isn't about Itachi...it's about the weapons. Itachi's dead, he's no threat to you and he wouldn't be much of one alive either considering that he cannot hold them up for long.

Orochimaru just saw Totsuka cut off all the snake heads, so he wasn't expecting Itachi to use it on him next?

Totsuka is as fast as Susanoo, which isn't hyped for it's speed.

The snake heads did not hit the ground all at once, there was a struggle and Susanoo cut off a couple here and a couple there while they were headbutting Susanoo.

They do have obvious limitations:

Totsuka is essentially an overhyped giant sword, it's only real use is against immortals which is why Kishimoto really gave it to him for plot purposes (safely remove an immortal from Sasuke).
Think about it; if you stab someone in the chest with a giant sword... they are going to die. What happens if you stab them with Totsuka? They get sealed, aesthetically the same.
Totsuka has the same functions as a giant sword, it being enchanted with a seal doesn't make it's handling superior to that of other swords. It should also be possible to get Totsuka away from Susanoo by varying means depending on the characters, or even restrain Susanoo so that it can't swing Totsuka.

Then there's Yata. Yata is all hype, more hype that Prime Hiruzen, and it's only feat is blocking exploding seals. But let's take it for face value, let's say it does stop any attack, it's still just a shield with the same pros and cons. Frontward attacks are futile, which means you have to use strategy... it still exists in the manga. Attack from an unshielded side by one way or another, whether that be attacking from multiple directions or what have you. There are also ways to bypass the shield for a number of characters, as well as other options to restrain Susanoo or even wrest Yata from Susanoo's grasp or restrain Susanoo so that it can't move the shield to protect Itachi.
The databook also went into detail on the mechanics of Yata, stating that it uses the elemental wheel to negate any attack by changing it's properties. However, that leads to several implications; it doesn't say anything about multiple attacks, and if it can change to counter multiple types of attacks, then does that weaken it's defense? Think of Pokemon, An Electric/Flying type is going to both benefit from Eletric's resistance to Thunderbolt as well as suffer from Flying's weakness to Thunderbolt. Understand? Also, is it possible for Yata to take on the properties of kekkei genkais? What is stuff like Jinton or Ranton weak to, anyway?

I meant that he wasn't ready for it because he didn't know which sword it actually was. He just thought it was a regular one. That's why I stated that he wasn't expecting Totsuka to stab him. Any other sword and he could have tanked it.

Ok, and I do understand that. It's just as fast of the wielder and I did state that. It's a sword...it doesn't move on it's own.

In the anime, they hit the ground at once. Blame Studio Pierrot, not me.

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I agree with your paragraph about Totsuka. But when I stated that neither weapon had no real limitations, I was talking about the weapons themselves. As in, prior to the War arc if someone got stabbed with Totsuka, they'd be done. If an attack hit Yata, it would be reflected. There are ways to fight around them, no one is denying that.

I also agree with your paragraph about Yata, except for the part about elements. It just states that it can change all of its properties. It has multiple ones, it didn't just say "current property". It is going to deflect any attack coming at it, if you look at the hype. Lol

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But in the end, I think that they are formidable weapons and pretty op. I was just stating that the weapons themselves don't have real weaknesses. I haven't seen anything suggesting that they can be broken by anything yet, certainly worked around yes, but broken no. I don't see why people get annoyed though. We also have to keep in mind that the only user that had them and ever will was Itachi. Itachi's been dead since 393 and he's not coming back. They don't have relevance now. Plus higher-level shinobi just outlast Itachi. It's the wielder itself that the battle mainly depends on, there's no point in saying that the weapons are overrated in an effort to put Itachi down. That's not needed and there's nothing to truly discredit the hype, so threads like this in effect are pointless.

 

[Mrmojo8484]

Yeah. He wasn't exactly expecting the snakes to be cut off like that though.

My only point was that it isn't slow. It's as fast as the wielder, and Itachi can stab someone pretty fast with it. I wasn't saying that by some miracle the sword is magically fast, lol. Don't know where you got that from.

About Yata expanding...you don't pay attention to the databook and manga, do you?

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I don't think it can expand to provide 360 degree protection. Just the front and the sides. Probably not the back, it lacks feats/statements for that.

Why so offended? Itachi is just a drawing. That and the thread you made isn't about Itachi...it's about the weapons. Itachi's dead, he's no threat to you and he wouldn't be much of one alive either considering that he cannot hold them up for long.



I meant that he wasn't ready for it because he didn't know which sword it actually was. He just thought it was a regular one. That's why I stated that he wasn't expecting Totsuka to stab him. Any other sword and he could have tanked it.

Ok, and I do understand that. It's just as fast of the wielder and I did state that. It's a sword...it doesn't move on it's own.

In the anime, they hit the ground at once. Blame Studio Pierrot, not me.

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I agree with your paragraph about Totsuka. But when I stated that neither weapon had no real limitations, I was talking about the weapons themselves. As in, prior to the War arc if someone got stabbed with Totsuka, they'd be done. If an attack hit Yata, it would be reflected. There are ways to fight around them, no one is denying that.

I also agree with your paragraph about Yata, except for the part about elements. It just states that it can change all of its properties. It has multiple ones, it didn't just say "current property". It is going to deflect any attack coming at it, if you look at the hype. Lol

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But in the end, I think that they are formidable weapons and pretty op. I was just stating that the weapons themselves don't have real weaknesses. I haven't seen anything suggesting that they can be broken by anything yet, certainly worked around yes, but broken no. I don't see why people get annoyed though. We also have to keep in mind that the only user that had them and ever will was Itachi. Itachi's been dead since 393 and he's not coming back. They don't have relevance now. Plus higher-level shinobi just outlast Itachi. It's the wielder itself that the battle mainly depends on, there's no point in saying that the weapons are overrated in an effort to put Itachi down. That's not needed and there's nothing to truly discredit the hype, so threads like this in effect are pointless.

Its funny how everyone is continuing to say im discrediting Itachi. But...I've already stated my case on this so I won't respond to that part of your post.

In essence, you proved my point. Again, your saying the weapons are overpowered yet you also said you agree that there can be ways around them, thus proving the whole point of this thread.

Bottom line is, like I said, any ninja with half a brain or some good speed feats makes both these weapons useless.

 

[Draphsin]

but it is only defending frontal attacks, specifically, ones coming from the side its on. Basically, a character with speed feats, which there are alot of, can expose the weak points yata cant defend like attacks from behind.

Yata can change it's size/shape [properties], therefore it can expand to cover a 360 degree range.

 

[Mrmojo8484]

Yata can change it's size/shape [properties], therefore it can expand to cover a 360 degree range.

Prove it.

Yata can alter its nature type, ect. to counter attacks. Not its size.

Unless you gave solid proof, I cant buy what your selling me.

 

[Mrmojo8484]

Yata can change it's size/shape [properties], therefore it can expand to cover a 360 degree range.

Also, someone already posted this saying from the data book.

This info is blurry at best.

We cannot assume that the word "properties" include anything other than changing its type to match the attack.

 

[Gamaken]

As people have said, Itachi's weak point is his stamina, but the yata mirror and totsuka blade themselves are pretty ridiculous..

The yata mirror is an unbreakable shield. Along with Susanoo, which provides defence everywhere except bellow, the user's defence is going to be pretty insane.

The totsuka blade is a giant sword which is guaranteed to take out the enemy in one hit. It has great range and because it's being wielded by a Susanoo, it's going to strike pretty quickly. Just look at the bow and arrow on Sasuke's Susanoo. If someone like Sasuke had this weapon then Madara would already be defeated.

 

[Mrmojo8484]

As people have said, Itachi's weak point is his stamina, but the yata mirror and totsuka sword themselves are pretty powerful.

The yata mirror is an unbreakable shield. Along with Susanoo, which provides defence everywhere except bellow, the user's defence is going to be pretty insane.

The totsuka blade is a giant sword which is guaranteed to take out the enemy in one hit. It has great range and because it's being wielded by a Susanoo, it's going to strike pretty quickly. Just look at the bow and arrow on Sasuke's Susanoo.

I agree. 100%. ALOT of people misinterpreted my thread. I know they are powerful weapons. I never said they weren't. But people act like Itachi is taking 98% of the NV and these 2 weapons are completely uncounterable.


1 more thing about your post, the speed the blade falls pales in comparison to the speed the arrows travel.

Even in RL, there is no comparison.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

If someone is making a powerful attack then he can block it when it gets to him.
He blocked kirin which was the speed of lighting and unavoidable.
If it's a close range attack then why the **** would be use a shield?
Totsuka is to stab the target when they become off guard.

If Yata was used to block Kirin, then it sucked. Itachi was left laying on the ground, battered and with his cloak zapped off, and Susanoo was gone.

IF they get off-guard.

I meant that he wasn't ready for it because he didn't know which sword it actually was. He just thought it was a regular one. That's why I stated that he wasn't expecting Totsuka to stab him. Any other sword and he could have tanked it.

Ok, and I do understand that. It's just as fast of the wielder and I did state that. It's a sword...it doesn't move on it's own.

In the anime, they hit the ground at once. Blame Studio Pierrot, not me.

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I agree with your paragraph about Totsuka. But when I stated that neither weapon had no real limitations, I was talking about the weapons themselves. As in, prior to the War arc if someone got stabbed with Totsuka, they'd be done. If an attack hit Yata, it would be reflected. There are ways to fight around them, no one is denying that.

I also agree with your paragraph about Yata, except for the part about elements. It just states that it can change all of its properties. It has multiple ones, it didn't just say "current property". It is going to deflect any attack coming at it, if you look at the hype. Lol

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But in the end, I think that they are formidable weapons and pretty op. I was just stating that the weapons themselves don't have real weaknesses. I haven't seen anything suggesting that they can be broken by anything yet, certainly worked around yes, but broken no. I don't see why people get annoyed though. We also have to keep in mind that the only user that had them and ever will was Itachi. Itachi's been dead since 393 and he's not coming back. They don't have relevance now. Plus higher-level shinobi just outlast Itachi. It's the wielder itself that the battle mainly depends on, there's no point in saying that the weapons are overrated in an effort to put Itachi down. That's not needed and there's nothing to truly discredit the hype, so threads like this in effect are pointless.

Alright, your choice of words were confusing.

Ok.

I do blame Studio Pierrot then. The exchange was very different in the manga.

Again still, getting stabbed with a giant sword would mean the end for 99% of the characters in the Narutoverse. It's just that Totsuka is pretty much meant for that other 1%.

Except that it states that Yata changes it's properties according to the attack, singular. What happens when confronted with two or more different attacks? Does the shield weaken? Does it block one but the other passes through? It's mechanics leaves possibilities for weaknesses, and everything has weaknesses; nothing's perfect. And really, once you get past the hype, it's basically just a strong shield that has to be dealt with in other ways than just smashing through.

Yes they are formidable, I won't deny that. That said, they are also overglorified in the same token. I'm not saying that to put Itachi down, I'm saying that as a fact. These threads are here to challenge the hype because people extrapolate the hype otherwise. If you just rely on hype, then Itachi solo's Hagoromo.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

If Yata was used to block Kirin, then it sucked. Itachi was left laying on the ground, battered and with his cloak zapped off, and Susanoo was gone.

IF they get off-guard.

While I believe in the cause of stopping the Itachi wank, I must say this.
Itachi only used his Susano'o to block Kirin, not Yata.

 

[Gamaken]

1 more thing about your post, the speed the blade falls pales in comparison to the speed the arrows travel.

Even in RL, there is no comparison.

I agree, but a giant sword being swung around by a Susanoo is going to be pretty fast. The same way Sasuke's Susanoo bow is a lot faster than a normal bow, the totsuka sword is going to be pretty overwhelming. It's not really something you can block easily either, just like the Susanoo's bow.

 

[Gamaken]

I edited my other post to say this but I'll post it again anyway. If Sasuke's Susanoo had the totsuka blade, Madara would already be defeated.

 

[Owarij]

In the manga Yata has already shown to grow in size and shape in dependence of the incoming attack. Just as the databook said it would.

Except that it states that Yata changes it's properties according to the attack, singular. What happens when confronted with two or more different attacks?

If you read the databook you'd see it states it can change every one of its properties allowing it to alter its attributes in accordance to the attributes of the attack

No need to explain what that means. The english is clear.