Yata and totsuka blade a little overrated imo....

[Mrmojo8484]

I see alot of Itachi fans running to these 2 tools like they are instant win buttons for Itachi without keeping these 2 common sense things in mind:

1. Totsuka blade does not have infinite range, nor has it shown reliable swinging speed. When oro got sealed, there were 2 factors in that.

A. He was in hydra mode which made him roughly equal to the size of susanoo, making him an easy target.

B. He literally stood there and tried to tank it.

2. Yata mirror- im pretty sure everyone knows this can block anything, be it astral, physical, spiritual, ninjutsu, taijutsu ect., but it is only defending frontal attacks, specifically, ones coming from the side its on. Basically, a character with speed feats, which there are alot of, can expose the weak points yata cant defend like attacks from behind.

Not trying to take anything away from Itachi, but people need to realize that either or both of these tools are useless against certain characters.

Thoughts?

 

[LustyLover]

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[Kaneki Kun]

No your just an Itachi hater.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

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Thanks for this thread

 

[Magatsu Izanagi]

It's not the weapons being overrated so much as Itachi himself being overated. Itachi is my favorite character, but being sick, he can't maintain Susano'o for a long period of time before burning out.

If a fight gets to that point (and depending on the situation) someone who's fast enough can avoid a Totsuka Blitz until Itachi can't maintain Susano'o any longer, and go in for the kill.

However, the weapons are very advantageous and do prove useful in some matchups. If you get hit with Totsuka, you're done, and Yata defends against all attacks. Those are facts.

 

[Pirate King]

Bro they are OP as fk, no way around it

 

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[LuckyMan]

The Yata Mirror has no feats. All it blocked was two paper bombs from Sasuke and a couple of snakes. By feats any attack penetrates it neg difficulty.

The Totsuka blade has a limited ranged and hitting a small moving target will not be easy at all. It also only seals things with a soul otherwise the snakes would have been sealed and not just decapitated. Why do I bring that up? Because some people have said the totsuka blade can seal Hashiramas wood jutsu because ''it seals whatever it pierces''

 

[Chie]

Actually Yata mirror expands to cover the full range of the attack. Also, Orochimaru didn't dodge Totsuka blade because he wasn't expecting Itachi to stab him with it, he wasn't attempting to tank it. He just saw Itachi cut off the Hydra's heads and started talking. Totsuka actually does have some pretty notable speed feats when you think about it. It's as fast as the one wielding it and all those heads hit the floor at once. They're not overhyped. They deserve the hype they have, considering their feats and that Kishimoto gave them no real limitations.

 

[Mrmojo8484]

Actually Yata mirror expands to cover the full range of the attack. Also, Orochimaru didn't dodge Totsuka blade because he wasn't expecting Itachi to stab him with it, he wasn't attempting to tank it. He just saw Itachi cut off the Hydra's heads and started talking. Totsuka actually does have some pretty notable speed feats when you think about it. It's as fast as the one wielding it and all those heads hit the floor at once. They're not overhyped. They deserve the hype they have, considering their feats and that Kishimoto gave them no real limitations.

Again...the snakes didn't try to dodge it. Oro went head up with susanoo. He didn't try to evade anything.

What speed feats have we seen or any form of hype talking about the blades speed? None. As far as im concerned, its equivalent to a fodder ninja swinging a regular blade unless you can prove other wise.

And can you link where you found this information about yata expanding?

Dont come in here giving Itachi bullshit feats without legit proof please.

 

[KisuneUchiha]

Again...the snakes didn't try to dodge it. Oro went head up with susanoo. He didn't try to evade anything.

What speed feats have we seen or any form of hype talking about the blades speed? None. As far as im concerned, its equivalent to a fodder ninja swinging a regular blade unless you can prove other wise.

And can you link where you found this information about yata expanding?

Dont come in here giving Itachi bullshit feats without legit proof please.

I believe it was mentioned in the Databooks about how Yata Mirror Expands, and was Nagato moving when Itachi Totsuka GG'd him XD XD jk about the Nagato part, but seriously... was he moving XD

 

[AlphaScythian]

Totsuka manifestation is extremely fast on par with chakra arms or susanoo that was formed in under lightning speed.
With this totsuka can be literally formed right inb4 the strike.
As a variation of kusanagi chances are it can extend very far, we also seen how far sasuke can extend his sword.
Yata has one hell of a hype and can extend to cover most of susanno providing high coverage.

In the end no of this matter cuz Itachi's stamina is his weak spot. If one can survive his attacks and outlast he doesnt need power to defeat yata.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I especially agree about yata mirror. Nothing actually says it can go 360 degrees on the susanoo. Sure, it can black the front and side, but not the back. There are no feats of this.

 

[Magatsu Izanagi]

And can you link where you found this information about yata expanding?

Dont come in here giving Itachi bullshit feats without legit proof please.

No need to be aggressive.

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Yata has no physical form. It can alter all its aspects to block attacks, including size/shape. This is by definition, of course, there aren't really any concrete feats showing a 360 degree protection.

There were many threads made in the past showing Yata's expansion properties.

 

[AlphaScythian]

I especially agree about yata mirror. Nothing actually says it can go 360 degrees on the susanoo. Sure, it can black the front and side, but not the back. There are no feats of this.

And even if yata was 360º, whats the fuzz?
Itachi cant hold it up for more then 10min tops, no need to cry about it.

 

[NukaCola]

Everything has a weakness but Itachi died before we can see the weapons weakness

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

Actually Yata mirror expands to cover the full range of the attack. Also, Orochimaru didn't dodge Totsuka blade because he wasn't expecting Itachi to stab him with it, he wasn't attempting to tank it. He just saw Itachi cut off the Hydra's heads and started talking. Totsuka actually does have some pretty notable speed feats when you think about it. It's as fast as the one wielding it and all those heads hit the floor at once. They're not overhyped. They deserve the hype they have, considering their feats and that Kishimoto gave them no real limitations.

Orochimaru just saw Totsuka cut off all the snake heads, so he wasn't expecting Itachi to use it on him next?

Totsuka is as fast as Susanoo, which isn't hyped for it's speed.

The snake heads did not hit the ground all at once, there was a struggle and Susanoo cut off a couple here and a couple there while they were headbutting Susanoo.

They do have obvious limitations:

Totsuka is essentially an overhyped giant sword, it's only real use is against immortals which is why Kishimoto really gave it to him for plot purposes (safely remove an immortal from Sasuke).
Think about it; if you stab someone in the chest with a giant sword... they are going to die. What happens if you stab them with Totsuka? They get sealed, aesthetically the same.
Totsuka has the same functions as a giant sword, it being enchanted with a seal doesn't make it's handling superior to that of other swords. It should also be possible to get Totsuka away from Susanoo by varying means depending on the characters, or even restrain Susanoo so that it can't swing Totsuka.

Then there's Yata. Yata is all hype, more hype that Prime Hiruzen, and it's only feat is blocking exploding seals. But let's take it for face value, let's say it does stop any attack, it's still just a shield with the same pros and cons. Frontward attacks are futile, which means you have to use strategy... it still exists in the manga. Attack from an unshielded side by one way or another, whether that be attacking from multiple directions or what have you. There are also ways to bypass the shield for a number of characters, as well as other options to restrain Susanoo or even wrest Yata from Susanoo's grasp or restrain Susanoo so that it can't move the shield to protect Itachi.
The databook also went into detail on the mechanics of Yata, stating that it uses the elemental wheel to negate any attack by changing it's properties. However, that leads to several implications; it doesn't say anything about multiple attacks, and if it can change to counter multiple types of attacks, then does that weaken it's defense? Think of Pokemon, An Electric/Flying type is going to both benefit from Eletric's resistance to Thunderbolt as well as suffer from Flying's weakness to Thunderbolt. Understand? Also, is it possible for Yata to take on the properties of kekkei genkais? What is stuff like Jinton or Ranton weak to, anyway?

 

[Mrmojo8484]

Orochimaru just saw Totsuka cut off all the snake heads, so he wasn't expecting Itachi to use it on him next?

Totsuka is as fast as Susanoo, which isn't hyped for it's speed.

The snake heads did not hit the ground all at once, there was a struggle and Susanoo cut off a couple here and a couple there while they were headbutting Susanoo.

They do have obvious limitations:

Totsuka is essentially an overhyped giant sword, it's only real use is against immortals which is why Kishimoto really gave it to him for plot purposes (safely remove an immortal from Sasuke).
Think about it; if you stab someone in the chest with a giant sword... they are going to die. What happens if you stab them with Totsuka? They get sealed, aesthetically the same.
Totsuka has the same functions as a giant sword, it being enchanted with a seal doesn't make it's handling superior to that of other swords. It should also be possible to get Totsuka away from Susanoo by varying means depending on the characters, or even restrain Susanoo so that it can't swing Totsuka.

Then there's Yata. Yata is all hype, more hype that Prime Hiruzen, and it's only feat is blocking exploding seals. But let's take it for face value, let's say it does stop any attack, it's still just a shield with the same pros and cons. Frontward attacks are futile, which means you have to use strategy... it still exists in the manga. Attack from an unshielded side by one way or another, whether that be attacking from multiple directions or what have you. There are also ways to bypass the shield for a number of characters, as well as other options to restrain Susanoo or even wrest Yata from Susanoo's grasp or restrain Susanoo so that it can't move the shield to protect Itachi.
The databook also went into detail on the mechanics of Yata, stating that it uses the elemental wheel to negate any attack by changing it's properties. However, that leads to several implications; it doesn't say anything about multiple attacks, and if it can change to counter multiple types of attacks, then does that weaken it's defense? Think of Pokemon, An Electric/Flying type is going to both benefit from Eletric's resistance to Thunderbolt as well as suffer from Flying's weakness to Thunderbolt. Understand? Also, is it possible for Yata to take on the properties of kekkei genkais? What is stuff like Jinton or Ranton weak to, anyway?

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[Mrmojo8484]

No need to be aggressive.

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Yata has no physical form. It can alter all its aspects to block attacks, including size/shape. This is by definition, of course, there aren't really any concrete feats showing a 360 degree protection.

There were many threads made in the past showing Yata's expansion properties.

So your assuming that size changing is included in its changing properties?

Complete B.S.

I could counter your argument and say that this only means changing the properties to counter the type of attack....not the scale of it.

Yet again, no solid proof.

Now answer this: How does yata mirror counter jirayas underworld swamp technique? There is nothing to deflect as its simply sinking. Now according to your logic, yata will somehow surround susanoo and prevent this?

 

[blackstar9]

What a dumb thread . Yata and totsuka are o.p. and the thread maker is a known itachi hater ! Anyway haters can say what they want manga said can block any attack period . Kirin attacked from above susanoo and was easily blocked. No proof it can't tank hits from any angle. Itachi doesn't even need susanoo for most people .