Worst Kage Reign known...

[Sonin]

Still yet to nitpick at my argument fond on page 5, Post 121..

 

[Priyam Bhowmick]

The worst hokage reign has to that of Tsunade. All the major incidents starts to take place frm this time-Tobi, Oro nd Kabuto showing off their powers, Sasuke leaving village nd bcoming a criminal. Akatsuki's move to collect jinjuriki nd spreading widespread damage, Pain's invasion nd last bt nt the least the greatest WAR of all times, The FORTH NINJA WAR. Also we may get to c the resurrection of the Juubi again.

 

[Chatte]

The worst hokage reign has to that of Tsunade. All the major incidents starts to take place frm this time-Tobi, Oro nd Kabuto showing off their powers, Sasuke leaving village nd bcoming a criminal. Akatsuki's move to collect jinjuriki nd spreading widespread damage, Pain's invasion nd last bt nt the least the greatest WAR of all times, The FORTH NINJA WAR. Also we may get to c the resurrection of the Juubi again.

It's not that. This war is just a consequence of the acts done in the past. This was bound to happen one day. From the day Rikudo Sennin split the Tailed Beasts.

 

[KingGolDragon]

What manga are you reading? No, it wasn't the Leaf that started it, it was the Uchihas and then the counsel had to gather and talk things around.
Itachi was forced just to kill his mom and dad, yes, but besides that he was against the way his clan was acting. Then again, what manga were you reading?

At first Sarutobi proposed a peaceful truce, but it was Danzo who then went to Itachi and proposed him to slaughter the Uchihas. After that, Itachi went to the third, comunicated him his decision and only asked that Sasuke was left alive.

Stop bashing Hiruzen so much, he was known as the most kind from the history and the most prosperous reign as a matter of fact.
What it's your problem with him?

And he didn't let Orochimaru run away, he just ran away. Hiruzen many times tracked him afterwards.

If you are incapable of answering to something with logic, don't act like a child and come with replies "It doesn't matter, bla bla". Get up to your own risen standards.

How do you know what they would've done if they were to confront this situation? They didn't lived on that era so stop making assumptions. We are basing things here on pure facts. Don't bring fantasies into discussion.

Uhm, yeah, he stood by his belief, Will of Fire and fought with Madara, with the intent to kill him, didn't first stood and talked to him. Do't give me the Will of Fire thing whereas besides Tsunade, Hiruzen is second best at spreading it. Just read some of his quotes. Thanks to him the Will of Fire was passed down to this new generation because he died for the Leaf, he died for protecting what he had most precious.

And not that I have something with Shodai, but if he would have properly taken care of Madara, he wouldn't be running wild now having Rinnegan and all those stuff. So, yeah, even the greatest Hokage (to some) made mistakes.

Im reading the manga where the leaf elders acted like retards and Segregated the Uchiha over something a person in exile did..and Something they had no clue about. Hashirama was not that kind of a person.... Sarutobi WASN'T but after he cameback he lost his leadership abilities and let the counsel take control.

Itachi went to Sarutobi to make sure sasuke stayed alive because Itachi did not trust Danzo... But like i said again.. EVERYTHING that happened made Sarutobi the opposite of his believes. Only person who actually had a chance of killing the Uchihas like that was Itachi.. Because they didn't fight back. If it was Sarutobi and Danzo there would have been a big mess.


The most prosperous Reign was when he was in his prime.. Im not bashing.. I'm simply stating the worst Kage reign.. Well atleast the worst kage reign of Kages that knew what they were doing.


Standing by there and watching Orochimaru run away.... hmm sure seems like he let him. lmao.

So Danzo died for the leaf.. shall i exclude everything he did??
How do i know?? Because idk thats what they did.. Hashirama didn't blame the uchiha for what 1 person did.... Hashirama is the one who went to the uchihas and asked them for peace. Do you ever wonder why Tsunade doesn't like the Counsel or Danzo..? because all 3 of them are extremist and believe in "dirty work".

Sarutobi helped spread the will Of fire sure.. Thats his job.. Tsunade , Minato , Tobirama did it to. Kakashi , Guy , and Asuma also.

The problem is Sarutobi stood by and did nothing as the people who defended and fought for Konoha and protected it were slaughtered by his "friends".


Again Shodai lived by his belief... We still don't know madara survived..
He did take proper care of Madara.. and got rid of him. BUT you want to talk about Sarutobi's quotes..

Hashirama : "whenever you live, there will always be war."

Hashirama (to Sarutobi) : "The fellow countrymen of the Konoha make up each part of my body… those of the village believe in me, and I believe in them. That's what it means to be Hokage!"

That quote has been proving itself true over and over.

Did I say Sarutobi was not a good guy?? BUT what I said is He screwed up big time when he cameback and was a lazy Geezer.

1) Danzo might have been corrupt but that was not of hiruzen's control as he can't shut down a whole corpse without a revolt, ALSO, Danzo ended being a great guy.

2) If the Uchiha Massacre had not happened the leaf would be no more you dumbass.

3) Only fault, Letting Orochimaru live.

Since you want me to nitpick.....

1. Hokage is the Powerful ninja in the village. He is the Leader. He can shut down Danzo whenever he wanted. Danzo ended being a guy was trying to catch up to Sarutobi.. And did alot of dirty work, just to hide his dirty work. =]

2. Uchiha made the leaf.... It is stupid to even assume they were going to destroy what the built.. and they were going to kill their friends.

3. Letting the Counsel get too much power , Along with Danzo (Traitor), Letting Oro escape.

 

[yondaimeminato]

Glad you agree, with me on Sarutobi.

Handing out tailed beasts was not a mistake.. but to equalize world power. To make sure Konoha isn't the Dominant one.. That was one step closer to "True peace" and it was the senju way. How hashirama treated the Tailed beast is still unkown, so i can't make remarks about that. Tail demons are ranked by their tails.. But you have to realize Konoha only had 1.. While many others had more then 1. And, It was the people who used the Tailed beasts for power that were wrong... I can basically go back to SO6P on this. Him picking the younger son can be a mistake also.. But its not. Same with Hashirama. Hashirama did what was best. Its the people who didn't see it that way, that led the war.

Harishima more than anyone knew how the other shinobis were. His clan was hired over and over again to fight against the uchiha because they were the best and the only ones who stood a chance against them. The other clans were nothing compare to them. So giving power to those people is a MISTAKE. When harishima and uchiha united, there wasn't really any other powerful clan that would stand against them. This was more than enough example that there could be peace because the two biggest rivals united. If the two biggest rivals were able to be united for "peace" then the other village could too. There was no reason to give out the tail demons to the other village. Why would there be a necessity of giving tailed beasts to other villages?

When harishima gave those tail demons to the other villages, they immediately started using them for weaponry power. This led to the uzumaki clan destruction since they have the power to seal big monsters/demons. The other villages sought for them and in the process the uzumaki clan died who were close friend to the senju.

just remember how many times the cloud village attempt to steal the nine tail demon fox.

The sand village had only one demon and it was one tail demon. The cloud had two, maybe because they stole the other demon from other village. If you are saying stability, then i would disagree. There is no stability in that and I am sorry but only a dumb person would think this way.

 

[KingGolDragon]

Harishima more than anyone knew how the other shinobis were. His clan was hired over and over again to fight against the uchiha because they were the best and the only ones who stood a chance against them. The other clans were nothing compare to them. So giving power to those people is a MISTAKE. When harishima and uchiha united, there wasn't really any other powerful clan that would stand against them. This was more than enough example that there could be peace because the two biggest rivals united. If the two biggest rivals were able to be united for "peace" then the other village could too. There was no reason to give out the tail demons to the other village. Why would there be a necessity of giving tailed beasts to other villages?

When harishima gave those tail demons to the other villages, they immediately started using them for weapon. This led to the uzumaki clan destruction since they have the power to seal big monsters/demons. The other villages sought for them and in the process the uzumaki clan died who were close friend to the senju.

The sand village had only one demon and it was one tail demon. The cloud had two, maybe because they stole the other demon from other village. If you are staying stability, then i would disagree. There is no stability in that and only a dumb person would think this way.

So you are saying Konoha should have kept all??

What hashirama did was Gave weak the power.

If the leaf had the all the tailed beasts. There never would have been any treaties. The 2 biggest rivals united... but the leader of one of the clans didn't want to.. And also, Uchiha and Senju uniting proved nothing. It was their choice. Plus, Hashirama gave them out as PEACE treaties, and to stabilize the power between countries.

Death uzumaki and the reason has still not been explained. There are many others who can take on Tailed-beasts.. The Raikages for example.

Uh we don't even know the Tailed beasts Hashirama gave out...... lmao. And Sand village has had one of the strongest shinobis.

 

[Priyam Bhowmick]

Sarutobi Hiruzen.. the third hokage. OFFICIALLY had the worst Reign after he cameback. Most of you fans might be going " No he didn't he was the strongest". Well that was during his first reign. Sarutobi LET the counsel take control of the Gov. to much. Which led to the likes of Danzo. He let Danzo roam free...and let him do w.e he wants. ALL that occurred under his reign. And not to mention the UCHIHA MASSACRE.
I dont thnk so. Even though many thngs took place in the shadows-Nagato inc. nd the Uchiha masacre which ruined Itachi's life nd made Sasuke a criminal. Bt most of the major inc. does nt take place during this time. Also the Elders said that Hiruzen's reign was an era of PEACE.

 

[SilverSlick]

Yagura/Tobi had the worst reign. Tobi intentionally drove that place to shit.

 

[~Cherry~]

Wel I don know if that was the worst kage reign....but DEFINITELY the worst HOKAGE reign!!!

 

[Sonin]

Now how you say Sarutobi can shut down danzo is just like saying he can shut down the uchiha police force. You cannot simply depose someone of power and assume they will not revolt. My point is if he were to depose danzo he could risk an ever bigger threat to the village as a whole.
2) The Uchiha rebellion alone was not going to be the ruin of the leaf but durring the revolt any other country could have come in and wiped out all the remaining shinobi as stated int he manga like 20 damn times.. I suggest you read why the massacre happened again.
3) Danzo is not a traitor he is just the only man to take the extremist measure to gain power to PROTECT THE VILLAGE. His main goal was to protect the village.. His only goal.. you need to go back and read.

 

[KingGolDragon]

Now how you say Sarutobi can shut down danzo is just like saying he can shut down the uchiha police force. You cannot simply depose someone of power and assume they will not revolt. My point is if he were to depose danzo he could risk an ever bigger threat to the village as a whole.
2) The Uchiha rebellion alone was not going to be the ruin of the leaf but durring the revolt any other country could have come in and wiped out all the remaining shinobi as stated int he manga like 20 damn times.. I suggest you read why the massacre happened again.
3) Danzo is not a traitor he is just the only man to take the extremist measure to gain power to PROTECT THE VILLAGE. His main goal was to protect the village.. His only goal.. you need to go back and read.

1. Danzo is a single man. You cannot compare him to Uchiha police force. Danzo had no problem with simply deposing a single clan..And they sure didn't have problem with Segregating a clan. Sarutobi could have easily handled Danzo ,if Danzo tried to Revolt.

2. Other countries attacking is depended on the Plot. Killing the strongest clan in the village sure doesn't lower the countries defenses, right? The problem was always the Uchiha getting power in the Government of Konoha.

3. Danzo is a traitor:

-Pain destroyed the village, while Danzo sat drinking his tea and watched people getting killed. Why?? all because he could be hokage..

-Where was he during the Sand invasion?? I mean hell the Hokage was getting attacked....

-Danzo was allied with Hanzo and Orochimaru.

-He cared more about power then he did about Konoha. Basically the samething as Hitler. Hitler proclaimed to be caring about Germany, but what he wanted was power. And couldn't see that Germany had enough Growth. And in a way Danzo is worst then Hitler. Atleast Hitler didn't watch his people "The Nazi" die and not do anything about it. smh.

Sarutobi Hiruzen.. the third hokage. OFFICIALLY had the worst Reign after he cameback. Most of you fans might be going " No he didn't he was the strongest". Well that was during his first reign. Sarutobi LET the counsel take control of the Gov. to much. Which led to the likes of Danzo. He let Danzo roam free...and let him do w.e he wants. ALL that occurred under his reign. And not to mention the UCHIHA MASSACRE.
I dont thnk so. Even though many thngs took place in the shadows-Nagato inc. nd the Uchiha masacre which ruined Itachi's life nd made Sasuke a criminal. Bt most of the major inc. does nt take place during this time. Also the Elders said that Hiruzen's reign was an era of PEACE.

Yet the manga shows wars... Sarutobi's First Reign was When he got the Leaf to its prime. But his second reign was a joke.

 

[ChrisWolf]

The third hokage also had a much longer reign then any other hokage as well, so of course he had more room for error.

This simple fact makes your entire thread pointless.

My work here is done. -.-

Are you ignoring this post?

 

[KingGolDragon]

Are you ignoring this post?

Well the Third Hokage started making mistakes even in his first Reign.... For example..Danzo and letting the Counsel get the same power as Hokage. And then when he cameback to be Hokage is where he screwed up the most.

Onoki had the longest Reign as a Kage.. But we haven't heard any genocides in his. now have we?

 

[zoezoe]

the second hokage i would say because he didnt put that much peace between the uchiha and the rest of the village

 

[KingGolDragon]

the second hokage i would say because he didnt put that much peace between the uchiha and the rest of the village

There was nothing to put.... The village was at peace.. Uchiha clan only started to coup because Sarutob and Danzo segregated them.