World War 3

Grim

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NK don't want to go to war, those videos we're made only to inspire they're suffering population, give them joy and hope. It's funny and stupid but it works for they're population and propoganda is propoganda USSR used to use similar tactics ''it's bad outside of the border''
 

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MY GOD!!! what shall happened to the worlds supply of strawberry's

On a serious note if nukes don't fly, the war will be determined by allies, NATO would get involved some Russian sattalite states might join russia. And other countries will get involved simply because there's bound to be bombs dropping here or there.
 

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i disagree with the last bit. USA gets involved with other countries just out of greediness, and just their interest and then pretend its good will.

The U.S. spends billions of dollars on raw aid to foreign nations.

I'm not going to try and say that the U.S. has always taken the right actions regarding its foreign policy - there have been mistakes and misguided efforts. There have also been actions taken in the interest of protecting our interests - interests that conflict with those of other nations (but rarely with our allies).

Like getting involved in other people war just for the oil...

. . .

So where's that oil?

Why is my gasoline twice as expensive as it was before these "for the oil" wars?

As an american you have been taught many things, but they also made you believe, apart from some obvious truths like terrorism, that they are the good ones, and the others are paranoid etc....

Oh?

My avatar. That'd be me.

I've direct, personal experience regarding areas of the world you only read about in papers. I have contact with individuals who have been part of operations you read about in your history class and bore witness to scenes you've only seen through the lens of the media's choosing.

By all means. Tell me what is -really- going on.
 

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If a 3rd WW would break out, triggered by usa vs NK issues, it should be obvious the conflict was planned out in the name of imperialism.

are you saying imperialism is to blame for this? Strawberries will not stand for this incompetence.
 

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Eh, if we were to go agaisnt North Korea we would win pretty easily because right now we have the strongest/biggest army.
 

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In what way is my post ''incompetent''? -__-'

I'm not sure if he is directing that at you, or at imperialism.

Though I'm not sure he knows, either.
 

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So where's that oil?

Why is my gasoline twice as expensive as it was before these "for the oil" wars?

Actually the USA dosen't need oil. We get 80% of our oil from our neibors up north. Don'tya know? lol little Canadian joke. sry.
 

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Actually the USA dosen't need oil. We get 80% of our oil from our neibors up north. Don'tya know? lol little Canadian joke. sry.

lol... You ruined the trap I had set.

Iraq's economy is doing better than ours at the moment. They are doing more oil processing and selling - but it's not going to us (and benefiting their economy more than it is benefiting the investors).

Afghanistan is, unfortunately, being bought up by China in their rush to claim lands rich in mineral deposits (namely, ones they already have a monopoly on - such as Neodymium). So long as they don't end up as part of the PRC - that might be okay for them.
 

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Strategic nuclear weapons are useful for population and industry denial.

The goal of strategic nuclear warfare isn't to target military targets, it is to, literally, rip the heart and lungs out of a country. You target cities.

The population; the economy that supports a military fighting effort by providing food, parts, munitions, and new recruits to militaries - that is the target of strategic nuclear warfare. It is not attrition of military assets, but attrition of raw human resources.

Absolutely


Honestly, the U.S. doesn't care much about what goes on in the rest of the world.

Which is kind of ironic, because this global ignorance has resulted in overall choices that have erroneously given many countries in the rest of the world the opinion that we do actually find their existence worth our consideration (that we wish to control them). Which is, interestingly enough, a conceited opinion to begin with (that the U.S. would actually care to control a country).

There are countries that hate the U.S. - sure. Most of them are so insignificant that it's not worth our time or consideration - most of these countries don't actually -have- a country. They are just territorial regions that were established under old British or Soviet rule that we haven't bothered to adjust (and why would we?).

The countries that do dislike us and are worth mentioning are usually steeped in such hypocrisy that they will not ever commit to any serious action that would make the "erasing" of their country worth it. Usually, we are involved in a relatively beneficial economic exchange.

To understand why the U.S. population (and even its political leaders) doesn't concern itself much with the rest of the world, one has to understand that the U.S. was designed to be a federated republic of nation-states. We are the EU before the EU was popular - and has had all of that drama (and more) for the past 200 years.

actually disagree. Very much so. Look the USA's main goal is to control/manage the world's trading this means using our military to enforce US code, propping up a "free market system", disrupting new economies.... Europe, and now china, controlling the World banking system, expanding the internet to every region of the world, and to have a huge say in controlling debt of other countries.
The United States is probably the most invested in the world then any other country today. Europe tried to do this with colonialism and we are doing it with economy. It is when we go into a situation w/o knowledge or that we find ourselves in trouble at home that this system goes to shi*. ... housing crisis in the US affects the ENTIRE WORLD MARKET!
 

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actually disagree. Very much so. Look the USA's main goal is to control/manage the world's trading this means using our military to enforce US code,

So that is why China just produced an oversized F-35 comprised largely of information stolen via corporate espionage... why Nintendo gets eccentric in its efforts to prevent Chinese-made pin-for-pin copies of its products to flood the Asian markets, and the list goes on.

If we actually enforced the policies that China has agreed to upholding, itself - we'd have China under an embargo, at a bare minimum.

propping up a "free market system",

You're going to have to elaborate upon this.

disrupting new economies.... Europe, and now china,

I'd be curious to see examples of this.

That said... Europe an old economy?

Disrupting China's economy? China has been conducting an all-out war involving industrial espionage, sabotage, and patent/copyright infringement. They've systematically targeted leading industrial sectors of western economies, stolen privileged information from those industries necessary to reproduce their products, and have flooded the markets with lower cost, lower quality competitors in direct violation of international patents, copyrights, and trade agreements.

China needs one giant phallus shoved up their collective rectum.

Not only is business demonized by the current U.S. culture (god forbid I go into business doing anything other than supporting some hippie commune) - if you actually succeed in establishing a viable industrial product within the U.S. - you're going to be copied by some hopalong dong in China who is going to start producing a copy of what you are making.

Then, as if to add insult to injury - he'll approach the Chinese government about it. Your product is now, for whatever reason, not allowed to be sold in China, because they have to protect their own industrial interests (Hopalong Dong).

Then we have idiots who think that it's a good idea to become industrial consultants and help them build factories that function. Unless those things are built to time-delay self-destruct after two months - that type of action is industrial suicide (the way China practices business - if they didn't completely shut your products out once they produce their own... that'd be one thing).

[insert even longer rant about China's downright criminal industrial practices and how the U.S. is allowing the world to be skull-****ed by Chinese industry]

controlling the World banking system,

Doing what, now?

I would hardly call what is going on "control."

expanding the internet to every region of the world,

. . .

That's not a U.S. thing. That's a business thing. For some reason or another, people find this "internet" thing to be quite useful and worth their money. Thus, any sensible provider of such a thing would be looking for ways to expand their market.

Unless they have a profitable business and hate the idea of making money.

I've met a few business owners like that (I'm being cynnical - they were just stupid and didn't understand how to run a business).

and to have a huge say in controlling debt of other countries.

That's not exactly true, either.

The best the U.S. can do is manipulate the investment of other nations.

For example... China said: "We will replace the U.S. as the standard of currency." Since their currency value is largely based off of their investment into U.S. public debt (a mere 1.x trillion) - if the U.S. were to suddenly double its public debt, their relative holdings halve in value.

Which is one hypothesis for why the U.S. federal government started going absolutely bat shit insane with its issuing of bonds to cover debt. Basically, it boils down to an attempt to say: "**** China."

That said - the U.S. has no control over the debt of another nation. If another country issues bonds to cover its expenses - that's only a decision that can be made by it.

The only other issue is that government bonds (issued by any government) are a favorite of many mutual funds and retirement funds of all national backdrops. But those are often dispersed across private sector (or fascist sector) investments.

The United States is probably the most invested in the world then any other country today.

Not as a government.

Even as a military - the role has been established largely as a form of macroscopic mission creep as opposed to a real expansion of policy. We've just kind of 'done what needs doing' and just been playing it by ear this entire time.

The fact is that the 'modern world' is really only about 50-60 years old. Political structure has yet to really adapt to handle the rapid expansion of corporate interests (that now cover the globe and service dozens of nationalities while employing several nationalities).

Europe tried to do this with colonialism and we are doing it with economy.

The U.S. really isn't trying to do it.

Companies within the U.S. recognize the opportunity to expand into an international market (in various ways) and take advantage of it. None of that has really happened at the behest of government, and the government still acts largely in ignorance of this fact.

It is when we go into a situation w/o knowledge or that we find ourselves in trouble at home that this system goes to shi*. ... housing crisis in the US affects the ENTIRE WORLD MARKET!

This is the Butterfly Effect.

The effect felt by the rest of the world is not because of the housing market collapse, per se. It's because of the general economic slowdown in the U.S. Because of this - our purchasing of products made around the world has slowed. This, in turn causes a slowdown of factory production; fewer factories purchasing maintenance parts, replacement machines, and fewer factories looking to expand (production of factory and farm equipment is one of the industrial sectors still largely dominated by western manufacturers... for now).

Though a lot of their problems were inherent to their spending practices. They have already devalued their currency to the point where their economies are starting to see the effects of hyper inflation.

This has been caused directly by the government's practices, and also indirectly as part of fractional reserve banking. It's a convoluted system - but banks have largely been -forced- through economic pressure to take up very irresponsible lending practices. This is largely facilitated by government policies that do things like back the stated value of bank accounts (so if a bank gets caught with too little money in the vault to cover withdraws - the government reimburses the bank... therefor fractional reserve banking can be carried out with impunity).

The housing crisis is a bit of a misnomer, in and of itself. It's a general lending crisis. It is most severely seen in the housing industry, where the largest and most extreme loans are undertaken. Further, with property often being seen as a stable investment, many banks operated under the assumption that they could often sell a home for roughly the same price as the loaned amount; which only works in a world where there are other people with the cash on hand or the ability/willingness to take out a loan for that property.

But actually understanding what is going on is not what most people want. They just want someone to villify and to persecute. The representative that just got their unemployment extended, an increase to their welfare support, etc couldn't possibly be a bad person. So it must be the banks that expect them to pay money for things that are horribly bad and evil.
 

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