Wordplay about the Ootsutsuki's

[Mephew D Kensei]

Nice hahahahahahahaha almost dropped a tear. I don't think it matters if So6p is uzumaki or if uzumaki r So6p's original clan what matters is they r related to him or vice versa and that's been factualised so tometo tomato.

 

[Byron123]

well obviously the Konoha symbol isn't, but he draw spirals on all kinds of other pics. Like color promo pics, the Shinju fruit, the EMS demon pic. All those other pics that Derp tried to say were proof the Sage was an Uzumaki. He just likes the design, nothing random about it. However you just looking for secret messages where non-exist. Kishi has no history of hiding clues in such a way in the past, so I'm not sure why people try to make him into something he's not.

If you look carefully the Elder Son's eye's aren't the same as the Uzumaki crest. Though they are both spirals they don't have the same amount of revolutions. Also the symbol comes from their home being in the land of whirlpools.

also "he even gave it to son's elder jutsu" no idea what that means, but sounds wrong :erm:

I know that younger son's dojutsu is not identical I say they look very much alike. What I said about he even gave it to son's elder jutsu" is the fact that it's a character of great importance and in his case it's not like it's only for the decor, since a dojutsu's pattern preety much defines the abilities it has.

 

[ethris]

As his sons were born ootsutsuki and they came to be known as senju as uchiha ancestors Besides, I already stated before, if the sage got his chakra from birth what tells you that the characteristics he had, did not classify them as what we later learned to be uzumaki's characteristics? I already posted that at my theory but you didn't answer. He might have been the first uzumaki without actually have the name. The idea that so many people believe what they see immediately is just ludicrous. Have you any idea how many things in this manga first depicted in a certain way and then changed completely? Kurama being devil himself, Itachi a mass murderer, Orochimaru as a maniac who slowly gets more and more logical, Obito being dead, Madara being Tobi, Nagato being akatsuki's leader. What makes you think that everything is so definite?

It's funny really how many people use as dogma that chapter in which Obito states senju and uchiha relationship to the sage as an undeniable fact and yet no one talks about older's son dojutsu which has a spirral patter identical to uzumaki. If Kishimoto wanted to end this once and for, he would have given to the elder son a mere sharingan. Yet he gave him a dojutsu with the spiral pattern specifically. Why from all the symbols chose this one?

the symbol is not identical. it is similar. and it also is very diffrent. look again.. and if i believed in ur theory which i dont. what makes you think the elder son got the symbol from the uzumakis. if anything the uzumakis got the symbol from the elder son, that would make more sense.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

I sence a butthurt disturbance in the force.

Seriously, theres no reason for this to be accurate. I could claim that Ichigo is a decendant of the sage like this, but i wont.

 

[Byron123]

the symbol is not identical. it is similar. and it also is very diffrent. look again.. and if i believed in ur theory which i dont. what makes you think the elder son got the symbol from the uzumakis. if anything the uzumakis got the symbol from the elder son, that would make more sense.

My mistake was to use the term identical while I should have said nearly identical. As for the hypothesis of believing my theory, I don't say that the older son got the symbol from the uzumaki as a clan but specifically from his father. Since no one else but him and his mother had chakra in the beginning, uzumaki symbol was something non-existent and so the only possible way for his older son to have it, is that he got it from his father, which leads to the conculsion that the chakra and the abilities sage got from birth classified him as an uzumaki. This is also strengthened by the fact that Kurama recognised Naruto's sealing, an uzumaki's sealing, as sage's one. You might disprove my arguments somehow but my point is that even if you can counter every single of my arguments respectively, if you put them all together, you get quite a lot of clues pointing towards the similarities sage had with the uzumaki. Again you should understand that I don't forcefully say that the sage must be uzumaki, I only believe it as a possibility.

 

[Thorium]

How does 'Ootsutsuki' become 'Uzumaki' in a time and era where clan names are especially taken notice of (in meticulous detail) and of the greatest importance?

Do you even realize what you're saying?

PS: The Sannin are direct descendants of the sage himself (his 3 great-great grandchildren)...over time the word "Sennin" changed to "Sannin" and there we have it. I called it first!

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

even if oosutsuki's descendants is uzumakis, that still dont make Rikudo an uzumaki, Rikudo was born as a ootsutsuki and will remain a ootsutsuki

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[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

even if oosutsuki's descendants is uzumakis, that still dont make Rikudo an uzumaki, Rikudo was born as a ootsutsuki and will remain a ootsutsuki

But they have red hair Lol

It's just the same with the Elder and Younger Sons of Rikudou, the Elder was (First Name) Ootsuki while the Younger was (First Name) Ootsuki but their descendants became the Uchihas and Senjus, even if they weren't called Uchihas and Senjus, the Elder Son was an Uchiha because he was the Uchiha Ancestor while the Younger Son was the Senju Ancestor, same thing with the Uzumaki Clan: Hagoromo Ootsuki's Tribesmen/Kinsmen were the Progenitor Uzumakis making Rikudou and his kin the First Uzumakis.

 

[Mr Hiru]

So then it's Ootsutsuki. Here is how my mind went about it...

The 't' in the name is silent.

Ootsutsuki => Oosusuki.

Over the years, the second 'su' became 'ma' ,due to some shift in heritage. Therefore,

Oosusuki => Oosumaki.

As decades passed and by hearsay, 'Oo' became 'U' and 'su' became 'zu' . (This final change isn't far fetched as they sound very similar)

Oosumaki => Uzumaki

Thus, we have Uzumaki as the descendants of Ootsutsuki.
What say you

Yet another plausible possibility. Thanks for trying, but nonetheless I still don't believe it until there is definite and irrefutable proof that reduces the possibility of the Ootsutsuki becoming Uzumaki and ONLY Uzumaki.

 

[bharatputra]

I sence a butthurt disturbance in the force.

Seriously, theres no reason for this to be accurate. I could claim that Ichigo is a decendant of the sage like this, but i wont.

Like I said, it's just what came to my mind,. Nowhere did I say that this is accurate. We will soon see how Kishi makes things turn out. He has made it a habit of surprising us all the time. Lets enjoy the story till then.

 

[bharatputra]

How does 'Ootsutsuki' become 'Uzumaki' in a time and era where clan names are especially taken notice of (in meticulous detail) and of the greatest importance?

Do you even realize what you're saying?!

The same way TES and TYS were also supposed to be Ootsutsukis but down the line their lineage became Uchiha and Senju. The same way Obito became Tobi who became Madara and then became Obito. The time and era we are talking about, shinobis didn't even exist then. We can't even say for sure whether clans existed back then or not and if they did, they whether they kept records in meticulous detail. We are told in Narutoverse that these records are kept secret or erased after death and thus, a lot of material may have trickled down by hearsay , which may lead to subtle aberrations and variations.

 

[bharatputra]

Yet another plausible possibility. Thanks for trying, but nonetheless I still don't believe it until there is definite and irrefutable proof that reduces the possibility of the Ootsutsuki becoming Uzumaki and ONLY Uzumaki.

Yes, we don't have irrefutable proof as of now but we may soon get it now that Kishi has taken this manga to endstage. Lets enjoy what he is giving us till then.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Yes, we don't have irrefutable proof as of now but we may soon get it now that Kishi has taken this manga to endstage. Lets enjoy what he is giving us till then.

Yeah. Nonetheless, the wordplay you put on table is very interesting. Who knows, maybe you're right.

 

[Sunstorm]

even if oosutsuki's descendants is uzumakis, that still dont make Rikudo an uzumaki, Rikudo was born as a ootsutsuki and will remain a ootsutsuki

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When we say Rikuudo is an Uzumaki we don't mean Uzumaki as a name. For fck sake man. The name is absolutely irrelevant. It's the meaning of the name that is important. And the meaning of the name in this case is the special traits that all Uzumakis have.

I am not saying he is Uzumaki. But if the Uzumaki descended from him then he is an Uzumaki. Because he would share the same traits as them. The name having changed after that is not impossible. Though honestly I don't have a side on this topic.

 

[grenwood]

Remember that writing and pronounciation and writing systems are completely different from English. It's not as simple as the removal of one letter like it would be in English. 'Tsu' is a whole letter, つ. And 'su' is the letter す. While the 'u' in tsu is pronounced all the time, the 'u' in su is pronounced rarely, so they are quite different letters altogether in pronounciation: If you watch the show in its original language, when they say "Susano'o" it sounds like they're saying "Sano."

Ootsutsuki is written 大筒木 in the manga "tsutsu" is written with 筒 which cannot be so easily converted because it's a completely different writing system from what the name Uzumaki is written with.

Ootsutsuki: 大筒木 oo-tsutsu-ki
Uzumaki: うずまき u-zu-ma-ki

What you're saying is like "Hey guys, just take a no-smoking sign and change it into the letter a." That's a stretch. Nice try.

this theory was shot down after just eleven posts. it should not have gone to 2 pages, other theories that have not been shot down should be getting this attention. i am for uzamaki being the same as otsutsuki, but it has been established that if this is the route kishi takes, that it wont be because of the theory in this thread. i believe that uzamakis should be just as important as senju and uchiha, not just simply an offshoot of the senju clan, but that they too have their own relationship to the sage. in a way, being the same exact blood as the sage and not half and half would likely make the uzamakis even more important than senju and uchiha, which would explain why it has taken so much longer to get any details in the uzamaki story. but the fact is the person i quoted perfectly debunked this theory so this will not be the reason. at the same time it could still be a name change just like what happened with uchiha and senju over time. but it will be a real name change, it wont be pronounced differently or be achieved by just changing letters in the name while having it sound the same which is what this theory which is wrong is saying, and has continued saying even after being proved wrong.

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

The ootsutsuki clan was just a family consisting of average human beings like your own family in real life.. they didn't have chakra or whatever.. rikkudou inherited that from his mother and god ('s fruit)..

And if you say that the uzumaki are his descendents then you're either saying he had a third son/daughter or they've descended of one of the brothers or they've descended from some crap chakraless nephew or whatever of rikkudou.. (or rikkudou had a brother/sister)

 

[beast7960]

This thread is pointless.

 

[Floydical]

I like this, good effort. I think we can conclusively say now that the sage came before the Uzumaki, but this is a great way to explain the exact heritage.

 

[Nous]

So why wouldn't Kishimoto just name him *Forgot First Name* Uzumaki? Clans were extremely important during war-times.. Don't see why Masashi wouldn't have straight up said, Uzumaki. Following your logic.

Jubi is a Senju. Why? Shinju > Sinju > Senju Tadahh!

 

[Aevis]

So6p isn't an uzumaki because to be an uzumaki you have to eat alot of ramen and ramen didn't exist in his time.